― anthony, Monday, 28 June 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link
i don't think "racism" is the appropriate word. i think his reasons for using it are complicated. part of it is simply a vice magazine-like desire to shock his (presumably urban white) audience.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 28 June 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 28 June 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 June 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Monday, 28 June 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link
As long as they're about music, yeah, maybe.
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 28 June 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Monday, 28 June 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 June 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Monday, 28 June 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 June 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Monday, 28 June 2004 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matt Gilbertson, Monday, 28 June 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link
(Actually, I don't wanna bend over too far to defend the guy; like I said, a lot of what he wrote I found offensive or ridiculous. [Not to mention poorly-spelled!] But he also had a lot of incisive observations that had rarely seen print before.)
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link
So as far as that word I think the word faggot or fag... It's one thing to call someone that personally in a public space, but it's another thing to use it as a cultural term that I believe everyone knows. I think homosexuals use the term the same way I do. It's about a posture and that posture has been around rock n' roll for quite a while. Actually it's been around at least since the blues. You see a few 78 (rpm) titles that are about the homosexual underground and maybe some of those bluesmen were gay. The weird self-policing on those kind of issues was part of what the problem was, so I just figured, well I'll just take advantage of leaving the business and not worry about it, use it when it's apropos. It's also written in an almost absurdist style, a collision of academic and street styles. I thought that it was funny.
the full interview is here http://www.furious.com/perfect/carducci.html
― jb, Monday, 28 June 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 28 June 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link
I agree there are some really great passages, but there's an at least equel amount of pure self-indulgent claptrap. Like he's not just writing with his dick, he's trying to beat you over the head with it.
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Monday, 28 June 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 June 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 June 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link
"Hand of Dante" is unreadable; "Cut Numbers" I find far superior to "Trinities"; I also found his Sonny Liston bio and "Dead Voices Gather" pretty hard going, crabbed would be the word. And going thru his Da Capo "Reader" I'm struck by how much shit is there, and I think he's great, at times, but distinctly inferior to Meltzer for the most part. However, "Hellfire" is classic--whether it's "accurate" I don't know...
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 28 June 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― danh (danh), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― duane, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link
Tho to be fair he admits that from the get-go.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link
if you have a bottomless trust fund...
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link
PS. Ming dead.
― Ling, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 03:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
er, which independent labels? for most, selling 10,000 copies is a real success.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway, Clover, the industry doesn't deserve his screeds because he's done really well, considering. He keeps getting six-figure advances and critics keep licking his balls, even if no one reads him. As far as the sad little business of publishing goes, he's done far better than most. So yeah, I think his bitterness probably has more to do with alcoholism than any real valid complaint against publishing.
And one can only blame publishers so much. It's PEOPLE who have stopped reading and buying books. If they ever really did.
― shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
anyfuckingway alcoholism is the most valid complaint against publishing there is. cf. exley, pace hemmingway.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 1 July 2004 03:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 1 July 2004 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 1 July 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 1 July 2004 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― lovebug satyrski, Thursday, 1 July 2004 09:10 (nineteen years ago) link
R.I.P.
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Monday, 21 October 2019 00:23 (four years ago) link
Only 69.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 21 October 2019 04:09 (four years ago) link
I wonder if a mainstream publisher (not sure how big the Stranded publisher was) would print his Sticky Fingers essay today.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
rip. that stranded prologue was profoundly influential on my writing though i haven't reread it in ages
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link
rip. Too young.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:34 (four years ago) link
Just got library ecopy of Country and it’s really good, doesn’t seem dated.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 November 2019 23:06 (four years ago) link
There are two editions! Took bits from/added others to the second. Wonder why he took some (might have seemed too ripe, even for him?), but glad for adds.
― dow, Monday, 11 November 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
Don't have them at hand, so can't list pub. dates.
― dow, Monday, 11 November 2019 03:58 (four years ago) link