90's-present Metal bands - Black Sabbath style

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I am a big Black Sabbath fan. Are they any bands of today or from the 90's that can compare to Sabbath's sound? No death metal or cheesy hard rock.

meister, Thursday, 1 July 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Kyuss
Electric Wizard
Spirit Caravan
Down

To name but four shining examples. There have definitely been some very good threads on this sort of topic over the last year or so, so searching the ILM archives on the words 'stoner rock' should yield lots more excellent groups.

M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

here are some suggestions, of varying similarity to sabbath -

dead meadow
oneida
acid mothers temple
bongzilla
mastodon

OTM about kyuss...

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Kyuss are BETTER than BS, yo

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

ehhh - i mean. kyuss is good. IMO, master of reality is better than anything by any of those bands, except maybe "sheets of easter" and each one teach one by oneida.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I've not heard the title Sheets of Easter before - who's that by?

M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

its the first track on that oneida album - just like 14 minutes of this pummeling riff. its about perfect - it has lyrics, and these subtle changes, but mostly, its just the loudest, most insistent music i can think of.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Fu Manchu

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:47 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man - i think i wanna buy dopesmoker by sleep. it sounds so awesome according to AMG. anybody heard this?

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't heard dopesmoker, but I've got the original version, Jerusalem. I find it quite similar to when I keep trying to give Earth 2 a fair listen - it's awesomely good stuff for 5 minutes or so, then I start to get a distinct feeling of life being way to short to bother with it any more. That said, dopesmoker is meant to be way superior, and if you need your enthusiasm for hearing it stoking, Julian Cope did a really good review a few months ago on his website: http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/albumofthemonth/index.php?review_id=1058

M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Sleep's Holy Mountain is a very Sabbath like and uniformly excellent album (from Sleep) though!

M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Sleep's "Dopesmoker" is an epic journey through the land of the sweet leaf. It's brilliant. The group also reportedly blew their huge advance from London Records entirely on marijuana. There's another version of the same record floating around called "Jerusalem," which breaks the single song into a half-dozen shorter "tracks." It's ok, but save your $$$ for "Dopesmoker."

ng, Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Ok fuck it I'm buying that shit

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

omigod i want dopesmoker so much right now.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Anybody heard this band called Witchcraft (I think) who have apparently recorded a phenomenal album of early sabbath-type music on original period equipment? And is it as mouth-watering as it sounds?

M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

sea of tombs
last of the juanitas (maybe...)

m.

msp, Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

There's also Cathderal, Lee Dorrian's band after Napalm Death. It's got that Sabbath-with-90s-heavy-production sound. They have a best-of coming out soon "Serpent's Gold" that I'd recommend.

And another big up for Sleep's Holy Dopesmoker ... it's the bong.

xexxee, Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i think im gonna play all stoner metal on my radio show today. maybe ill try to track down a copy of dopesmoker...

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

aaaaaand dopesmoker is on its way to me.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

acid king is a good band to check out. female vocalist but she sounds a lot like ozzy.
also orange goblin, place of skulls, and pretty much anything else on southern lord might be worth listening to for you.

greg, Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man - i think i wanna buy dopesmoker by sleep.

"Dopesmoker" is almost exactly like "Jerusalem," except with slightly rougher production. Like "Jerusalem," it gets old fast. The story about it is way more entertaining than listening to it. Vocalist chants brainlessly, a muezzin calling the flock to smoke marijuana. Two short guitar solos accompany the seventy minute repetitive dirge. There's a bonus cut tacked onto the end.

George Smith, Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Two short guitar solos accompany the seventy minute repetitive dirge

wheeeeeeee - i cant wait!

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Monster Magnet
Nebula

Neither band quite clones the Sabbath sound as much as Electric Wizard or Sleep, then again neither of those bands vocals are that great. MM and Nebula have a bit more psychedelic/acid rock in their sound...like the MC 5, Hawkwind or The Stooges, but the Sab influence is there.

High on Fire

This band is fronted by Matt Pike who was the guitarist in Sleep. I like their record "Surrounded by Theives" a whole lot more than "Holy Mountain". The vocals are ok, but don't expect Ozzy.

To be honest, of these bands that I have heard only Kyuss/QOTSA and Monster Magnet really have vocalists that are really good in the same melodic way as Ozzy. The rest of these bands have the riffs, sonic texture and music that is enjoyable, but it isn't nearly as good as Sabbath. They seem to be as much into the SOUND of it all more than the songs.

Mastodon takes the heavy up a couple of notches than most of these bands listed. Their vocals are harsh, but they have some wicked guitar parts.

If you want to take a left turn, check out The Melvins. That is a band that is build on the house of Sabbath but adds on a new wing. Best place to start with them would be about 10-12 years ago with their albums Houdini, Stoner Witch or Bullhead.


earlnash, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Melvins not only added a new wing, but also a few tentacles, second mouth and maybe even several clouds of poisonous gas.

xexxee, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

The one you need to check out for sure is Holy Mountain by SLEEP. All this stuff is worth checking though.

SLEEP - Jerusalem + Volume 1
Cathedral - In Memorium + FOrrest Of Equilibrium
Electric Wizard - Dopethrone, Let Us Prey etc.
Boris - Amplifier Worship
Warhorse - Priestess + As Heaven Turns To Ash
YOB - Elaborations Of Carbon
Earth - Extra-Capsular Extraction
Goatsnake/Burning Witch split
Burning Witch - Crippled Lucifer
Khanate - Khanate
Dragon Green - Emissions From Green Sessions
High On Fire - The Art Of Self Defense
Melvins - Bullhead + Gluey Porch Treatments
Teeth Of Lions Rule The Divine - Rampton

Weedeater, Bongzilla + Goatsblood are all good too but you might think they were too death metal because of the vocals.

jjj, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Anything by Masters Of Reality.

Rock Bastard, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Does Soundgarden count?

(I think so but I'll let more knowledgable metal folx refute this if necessary)....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man - all this stuff is gonna clog my slsk queue for a while today...

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Sheavy made a number of CDs that fall into the Sabbath category by dint of the fact the singer is sonically a clone of Ozzy. The most recent one is the best in their catalog.

Witchfinder General's "Death Penalty" is also top-rated. A couple of St. Vitus records might also please.

These beats many of the stoner bands -- a genre which rejoices in the marginal. They emphasize wretched singers and playing slow and tunelessly simply for the sake of it. Many are simply a disgrace when compared with even the worst Black Sabbath album.

George Smith, Thursday, 1 July 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

for every grunge there is a seven mary three

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Sheavy and Pentagram

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0311/smith2.php

Electric Wizard

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0109/smith.php

I didn't care for this but others might --

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0419/smith.php

George Smith, Thursday, 1 July 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Obsessed/St Vitus/Spirit Caravan/Hidden Hand. All bands that Wino has been in.

Rock Bastard, Thursday, 1 July 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Comets on Fire sound a bit more like Blue Cheer and a bit less like Sabbath, but I think you guys would enjoy 'em.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

skullflower:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0424/eddy1.php

oneida, kreisor:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/eddy.php

beaver, dozer, carnival in coal:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0113/eddy.php


and yeah, many of the bands mentioned above (though nebula and fu manchu and the melvins have never really cut it for me -- well, nebula have their moments, i guess). goatsnake and unida and natas (the south american band) and sea of green are pretty good, too.

here's one pretty consitent compilation of this stuff:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDSUB020405181212270411&sql=Ar98uak1kkm3v

and here's another one:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDSUB020405181212270411&sql=Akv6htr3rklmx


chuck, Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, Mammoth Volume (who George Smith also reviewed in the Voice once) are better than lots of the bands I just mentioned (better than Mastodon too, heh heh), despite blatant prog tendencies. I mean, this is like any other shtick, in that it tends to wear out its welcome as time goes by. The peak stoner-rock-revival stuff mostly seemed to happen half-a-decade ago or more, and even then, most of the decent stuff on Man's Ruin was fairly generic, which is more excusable in a good genre than a bad one, obviously. And yeah, as George Smith said, it might be best to look to look OUTSIDE stoner-rock for stuff that might still be pulling this off, especially now that the '70s Show bongs and bellbottoms routine is years past being an intriguing idea.

chuck, Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I suggest Milligram. If you want short blasts of Sabbath, without cliched metal vocals, that's your band.

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Count Raven did always listenable and unintentionally hilarious Black Sabbath shtick. I imagine it would be hard to find their CDs or LPs now.

The labels that support these bands collapse like a house of cards when they get to the point where all the bands they're publishing constitute the entirety of fans for the genre.

Man's Ruin collapsed because it bet that you could throw everything at the wall and the audience would grow to absorb it. Eventually, I'd predict the same fate for Southern Lord. That label quickly went from publishing occasionally fine metal and art to indulging in fetishism with the occasional big project of worthless trash, like Probot.

The label put out a record by The Want that was excellent in its imitation of Led Zep/Terry Reid/Brit thud. It must've flopped. Now most of what I see is uninteresting and horrid -- a ridiculous competition to see who can play the longest, most-downtuned, slowest scraping noise. Some of the offerings work as jokes: Grief is just terrible trash but it's amusing that someone would write so effusively of it in the blurbs on the shrinkwrap. Sourvein I gave away to Scott because he knew someone in the band,
but -- really -- it's just a homeless man's Sleep. Now they're apparently the backing band for the lead guy from Electric Wizard which would be disappointing because that band once had a great drummer.

There's a Pennsylvania band -- Penance -- who claim to do the Sabbath thing. They're awful but I can stand listening to them occasionally when I want to reminisce on the beauty of the coal mines and slag heaps where I spent my childhood. That may not work for you if you didn't grow up near stripping holes and piles of burning mine tailings.

Ideally, since most of even the obscurest 70's hard rock is coming back into print in fine form, you're equally served by looking at reissues as well as combing the diminishing returns in the active genre. For example, Nektar's "A Tab in the Ocean" and "Remember the Future" are way better than any stoner or doom album in recent memory.

George Smith, Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

There's also an Aussie band called Wolf Mother.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Nectar reissues really blew me away, especially *Remember the Future*, which just arrived in the mail this week. And here's George, then me, on Monster Records' recent sludge reissue output:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0412/smith.php

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0412/eddy.php

xpost


chuck, Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Nektar got weird treatment in the US. They were on Passport,
which glued Larry Fast to them and let him remix the records. So the American copies sound considerably less heavy -- with the exception of "Remember the Future" -- and over synth full than the Euro originals. This is corrected on the remasters.

"Recycled" is a lot better if you listen to the original mix -- although the band still is purposely trudging toward being a clone of Genesis -- before it got tricked up for the US market. But they were apparently convinced they were going to get a single, which happened the next album with "Magic is a Child." And that stuff is no good, but it did get played on FM progressive radio a bit.

George Smith, Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The Sheavy that I heard, the singer sounded remarkably like Ozzy.

Rock Bastard, Friday, 2 July 2004 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait, Chuck, you're not a Melvins fan much? Not saying you have to be, I'm just interested why they don't connect. Massive fan myself, they've put on some great shows.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 July 2004 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Trouble

Noboby talks about THE Band with the most Sabbath influences ever. The band doesnt exist anymore, but there are rumours about a reunion. And indeed, there was a showcase at a german metal festival in 2003. This band lives from an awesome two guitar sound. Rick Wartell and Bruce Franklin, both fans of Gibson Flying V guitars, created a sound even Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield tried to copy back in the early 80'ies when Metallica was opening act for Trouble! The voice of vocalist Eric Wagner is near by Ozzy's voice, but has a more painful and deeper character. Rick Rubin signed the band for his Def American label and produced two albums, a selftitled in 1990 and Manic Frustration in 1992.

This is was AMG writes: No band deserves as much credit for keeping the gospel of classic Black Sabbath-derived heavy metal (no to mention bell-bottoms) alive during the '80s as Chicago's Trouble. And while the group's legend never exceeded cult status, their work would serve as inspiration for an entire generation of '90s bands in the thriving underground doom/stoner metal scene. ....

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS80311111402062276&sql=Bygge4j170wav

A self produced minialbum is missing in AMG list, the 1994 'One For The Road' EP.

Check out Trouble!

GonzoRock, Friday, 2 July 2004 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Important note i've forget: even Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters, Nirvana) payed tribute to Trouble. He asked Eric Wagner to contribute on his PROBOT album. The result is track 10 'My Tortured Soul'.

GonzoRock, Friday, 2 July 2004 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link


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