brad paisley, has their ever been an artist w. a v. good voice so ill served by his material ?

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i think that his voice is one of the best instruments to come out of nashville, mellow, dark, funny or haunting depending on the occasion.

but i think (w. the exception of the new single with alison kraus) whoever chooses his material should be destroyed (its all comic of mawkish. )

anthony, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i know that mawkish is what is expected from country, i think though what is expected and what is true are two different things, mawkish being the fake and illegitmate form of true emotional resonance

anthony, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 07:25 (nineteen years ago) link

did you like his cover of "Flowers on the Wall"?

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont think he did that, i think it was someone else

anthony, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

is he that guy that sings the "put his bottle to his head and started pulled the trigger"...i kinda like that one...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The video, in which heartbroken vet Ricky Schroder drinks himself to death, has been known to jerk a tear or two...

Lobster Thermador, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I have yet to enjoy a single song by the guy, for whatever that's worth. Never even noticed he had an especially good voice, though that doesn't mean he doesn't, I suppose.

chuck, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

is that ricky shroder, i dont think the video serves the v. good single.

anthony, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

by not noticing the voice, does that say anything about the nature of the material.

do you like him @ all chuck ?

anthony, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't DIS-like him. I guess I just consider him another whitebread/ good guy in white hat bore in the great George Strait/Alan Jackson/Randy Travis/Clint Black tradition (most of whom have at least a couple songs I like a lot, so give Brad time, I guess.) (In other news, I paid four bucks for a Ricky Van Shelton greatest hits CD a couple months ago, and didn't like anything on that, either.)

chuck, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I think he writes/co-writes most of his own material, for what it's worth. as for the mawkish comic stuff, "Celebrity" is lame but I think "Me Neither" is pretty clever and a good song.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

His music also seems to be way whiter than Elvis Presley singing "In the Ghetto," for whatever that's worth (though maybe not as white as 90 percent of "indie rock" songs released in the 1990s, I guess. And probably not as white as 80 percent of alt country stuff, either.)

chuck, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

(If that seems cryptic, refer to this other Anthony thread:)

Is Elvis Presleys in the ghetto the whitest song ever ?

chuck, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the Whiskey song a lot

Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

im not sure if that was a dig, can one admit to ones stupidity and ignorance, and then move on ? it was a year ago.

anthony, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I think "Mud on the Tires" is an excellent song. I actually find it a little moving.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I guess I just consider him another whitebread/ good guy in white hat bore in the great George Strait/Alan Jackson/Randy Travis/Clint Black tradition

but are they really good guys? Black is too much macho bullshit, Strait I don't know well but seems a bit of that or at least overly concerned about maleness, and what is it that's hiding behind Jackson's sarcastic shrug thing? Travis maybe, but Paisley seems the least culturally traditionalist of any of them, the Jeff Gordon of the group.

i think his voice is highly serviceable but nothing special. i like his material, even if too often generic.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 June 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

He sure does play nice gee-tar though.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 June 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

that too

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 June 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

he seems unknowable to me. I had this conversation with Bill Friskics-Warren the other day, about country and the country audience, and he came up with, "that audience is essentially unknowable." and I feel that way about Paisley. It's like his name suggests some kind of hipness he feels but is far too smart to let loose; he also seems like a cold technocrat, somehow, a technician. but he does play great guitar--he oughta be a sessionman--and I think "Alcohol" is a great stroke, one of the best country songs of the last five years at least. Other than that, his material is kind of "that's all right, that's OK..."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 10 June 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

alcohol was great. never paid much attention to him otherwise. definitely in one ear out the other kinda stuff until alcohol.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 10 June 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I still really like him. I think "The World" is a great song. I DO think the Jeff Gordon comparison is creepily accurate, but maybe only because they really look alike, don't they?? Hadn't noticed that before.

I'm working on an essay about why I like nu-country so much. For starters, I love that it's based so much on punchlines, like hip hop (witness the cooptation of hip hop slang in nu-country too - no coincidence, man. These dudes are almost certainly listening to Missy) - I mean, objectively, it's pure hack work, really, but still oddly and often mysteriously affecting.

And it is the only truly sentimental, poignant popular music left. Even when they talk about trucks and barbeques and shit, the music itself is touched with this very sensitive sense of nostalgia for tradition, imagined or otherwise. And I believe them.

I think nu-country is simply less than the sum of it's parts. Presented to your average Mojo subscriber, sure it sounds tacky and contrived. But if you really take the time examine what makes it work - and most of it DOES work - you'll find the ingredients of a nu-country song best the ingredients of your average Postal Service / White Stripes / M.I.A / what-have-you song.

Roger (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 10 June 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a Jeff Gordon watch ad outside a jewelry store right at the entrance of a nearby mall, and every single time I walk into mall, I'm not sure if it's Brad Paisley or someone else until I get close enough to read the caption at the bottom.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Saturday, 10 June 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think perhaps the original submitter was addressing this question TO Brad Paisley.

Justin Shumaker (shueytexas), Saturday, 10 June 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

He wrote Alcohol by himself--maybe he should do that more often. And isn't there a Music Row commandment that thou must release a greatest hits by your 4th album? I can't think of an obvious forebear to Paisley like there is with, e.g., Hank Jr. - Toby Keith.

As for voice without material, remember Marty Brown (profiled on 48 Hours TV show)? He was a throwback who at times sounded kind of like Hank without Hank, the Everlys without Boudleux & Felice Bryant, or Gary Stewart without Gary Stewart.

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Saturday, 10 June 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

As for voice without material, remember Marty Brown (profiled on 48 Hours TV show)? He was a throwback who at times sounded kind of like Hank without Hank, the Everlys without Boudleux & Felice Bryant, or Gary Stewart without Gary Stewart.

shit, there was a Marty Brown profile on 48 Hrs.? I talked to Marty Brown recently, he lives up in central Ky. I think. He was on MCA, and he didn't have good material, certainly not anywhere as good as Gary Stewart's! He's on the new Frank Black album singing a duet with Black on Ewan MacColl's "Dirty Old Town." He made a record recently with Jon Tiven.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 10 June 2006 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

The 48 Hours, as I remember it, was entirely devoted to Brown as an example of a nobody trying to make it in Nashville. He came off as a guy you couldn't help but root for and I'm guessing the show was a big help to him getting signed to MCA. He wrote his own stuff maybe because it was hard to find new material which fit his voice?

'He made a record recently with Jon Tiven.'

Didn't know that. Man, who is Tiven going to bring back next?

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Sunday, 11 June 2006 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Roger Fidelity is OTM.

LOL @ "Online"

felicity, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 06:38 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

"Alcohol" is great.

milo z, Thursday, 26 June 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes it is.

felicity, Thursday, 26 June 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I heard Ticks three times in an hour the other day on the drive back from KY. He's growin' on me.

RabiesAngentleman, Thursday, 26 June 2008 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link

he also seems like a cold technocrat, somehow, a technician

well, yeah, he went to college to learn how to be a country star; he's a pro. but he still makes the sentiment work, so it's either at least partly real or he's just that good a writer/player. of course, i like to imagine that behind the stock image is a secret wine-drinking liberal who will one day nudge the masses leftward, but he's probably a lot more boring than that. i think i said all this somewhere else.

gabbneb, Thursday, 26 June 2008 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

He grew on me, too, since my post way upthread from four years ago (mostly thanks to his guitar playing, but once in a while thanks to his songs, too. Has more of a sense of humor than I would have guessed.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 26 June 2008 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

geir otm

The Reverend, Thursday, 26 June 2008 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Arguably, the three tenors (Pavarotti, Domingo, Carreras) may belong here too.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 27 June 2008 00:46 (fifteen years ago) link

uh WAHT

HI DERE, Friday, 27 June 2008 00:52 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

better than a lot of the winners imo

Theodore "Thee Diddy" Roosevelt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 29 July 2010 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link

that first one is pretty good! Second one sounds like it could be a punchline to one of his songs. He might be the dad-jokiest musician ever, and I love him for it.

trippin lookin at my portfolio (billy), Thursday, 29 July 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

sexy as hell.

balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 July 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

New Yorker profile: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/02/100802fa_fact_sanneh

balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 July 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

What I wrote about him in the Voice last year, fwiw (a while after I'd come around to his stuff, or a lot of it anyway):

http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-10-13/music/brad-paisley-is-ready-to-make-nice/

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 July 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link

I got Mud on the Tires last month, and the only song that stuck (heh heh) was the one about cigars. He should stick to songs about "stuff" (like "Water"). Otherwise he slips too easily into boilerplate when bored.

balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 July 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Looking at the original premise of this thread, I find it kinda odd. Nobody is into Paisley because of his voice--in country terms it's serviceable but hardly distinctive. He's a good songwriter and a great guitar player who doesn't venture out of his comfort zone. I like the guy and think he could do a lot more were he not into makin' zillions of dollars as a country musician. So you gotta love him because he's a success and modest about it.

ebbjunior, Friday, 30 July 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

No discussion on his latest album?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link

Is it good? Love "Water".

uberweiss, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

wtf at this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a_qbt1EVuw8

brad paisley: so like i get that the confederate flag is offensive to black people and i'm sympathetic but also i'm proud of where i'm from but i don't want to offend you but we have to realize we can't change the past so i guess just deal with it?
ll cool j: ok i'm going to do the world's worst rap now

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 8 April 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link

Some discussion here: Anticipate Brad Paisley's "Wheelhouse"

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 April 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link

one time i was flipping around on tv and i turned to pbs and they were showing a recent steve miller band concert and it was all original steve miller band, all old white guys, except the keyboard player was a younger black guy, and they did they long jammed-out version of "fly like an eagle" with a million solos and weird parts and then they break it down and the keyboard player comes out front and starts doing this rap about "you got to fly like an eagle and you can see/we need to live in peace and harmony" and it still wasn't as bad as ll cool j in that brad paisley song

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 8 April 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link

"Buzzkill"?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link

The presenter was Professor David Cantwell who co-wrote with Bill Friskics-Warren "Heartaches by the Number: Country Music's 500 Greatest Singles"

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link

My notes are still in my suitcase elsewhere. Will try to update later

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

Southern comfort zone is bombastic naive and surprisingly likeable

brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link

otm

some dude, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link

Southern comfort zone is bombastic naive and surprisingly likeable

like a lot of his catalog

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link

i think there's some quote from blake on the "boys round here" wikipedia page where he admits the boys in the town the song reminds him of (he didn't write it) actually play jason aldean now.

da croupier, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link

you'd think I'd like how nonsensical it is to jump from "we hate the beatles" to "we can't do the dougie" but for some reason it just makes the pandering horseshit all the more annoying to me

da croupier, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

though i hope "sweet as dixie crystal" is a meth ref

da croupier, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXD-XH5QKew

the Upperchest (crüt), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link

Mainstream country is inextricable from pandering bullshit, alas. They might as well rename the subgenre pandering bullshit.

Though the question is, is the pandering bullshit of mainstream country any more notable/prominent than the pandering bullshit of metal or rap?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link

well compared to metal they enunciate

da croupier, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link

True, they do make it awfully easy to discern the pandering bullshit.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

the storytelling gag songs on this album (death of a single man/karate/harvey bodine/outstanding in our field) are WAY more crazy than accidental racist, they just feel less trolly
wish i didn't like them (except for karate which kinda sucks)

brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link

"Karate" is hot trash, yes

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link

If ever an album would have benefitted from growly death metal vocals, it's this one. Hell, I'm surprised he didn't toss in a metal track, a reggae track ... I'm having a lot of trouble listening to this, which is a first from Brad, I think.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link

great whiney interview with LL: http://www.spin.com/articles/ll-cool-j-authentic-accidental-racist-tour-van-halen-legacy/

bish don't kmt (some dude), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link

while the song doesn't really pull of the "I'll stop being mad about the past if you stop being racist murderers today" message he claims he was going for, glad to read this after all the accidentally racist "brad, i am offended you think this man has any right to speak about race" thinkpieces

da croupier, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link

it always helps to actually talk respectfully to the person who did the damn thing

brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:44 (ten years ago) link

best critique of the song remains the snl skit

"Did I say that? Hmm. Kind of sounded different when I said it to my MacBook."

da croupier, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link

The problem I have with the interpretation presented in that interview is that the character Paisley created in that song is actually a racist who is more concerned with not looking like one than not being one, not someone who isn't a racist but sort of looks like one, which completely neuters LL's point of view and puts more onus on his black character to just get over slavery before everyone can finally get along. The biggest problem with LL's thesis statement behind his final chorus ad libs is that the historical weight and import of the doo-rag/hoodie is nowhere near the historical weight and import of the Confederate flag, which represented an entire sovereign nation that attempted to secede from the United States in order to preserve an economic system built upon the blood of black people. Furthermore, to go off of the characters in the song and assuming that LL is supposed to represent the barrista (because if he doesn't, what is his narrative purpose beyond "hey look, a rapper"), no one thinks their barrista is going to jump them regardless of any doo-rags or gold chains said barrista may be wearing.

I wrote somewhere, maybe on Facebook, that LL was responding much more to Brad the person than Brad the character on that song and his response in that interview confirms that impression for me. I get the sentiment but it's a super stupid song.

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link

otm. if he'd actually mentioned trayvon martin, he might have actually got across that he's aware of more heinous crimes than skynyrd fandom going on today, though i wonder if brad would have scrapped his "forgive me, starbucks employee" story if he knew LL was going to raise the stakes.

da croupier, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link

i forget if the snl sketch was posted, but just in case.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/478687

"We spent 11 minutes writing the song"
"I almost finished the whole pizza!"

da croupier, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

Anyway, a new interview:

http://www.vulture.com/2013/09/what-brad-paisley-learned-from-accidental-racist.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 September 2013 13:12 (ten years ago) link

Great interview. I like Rosen's take on the album, too -- i'd be willing to argue that "Accidental Racist" is the first and only bad song Paisley has written.

Jean-Claude Brand Ambassador (some dude), Friday, 20 September 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link

That's excellent.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 September 2013 13:53 (ten years ago) link

I like that Rosen brings up the T. Coates article

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 September 2013 13:57 (ten years ago) link

I like that Paisley had a great response for the suggestion that he do something to celebrate MLK's birthday, but honestly I thought TNC's piece was a rare instance of him bringing very little to the conversation with all that "why was it LL and not Talib Kweli?" talk.

Jean-Claude Brand Ambassador (some dude), Friday, 20 September 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co9BY6ZyQvA

Probably like a zillion dudes will do this now, but what a dope move.

how's life, Thursday, 5 June 2014 12:16 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

For god's sake, Brad.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/showbiz/cmas-highlights-brad-paisley/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

how's life, Thursday, 6 November 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link

lol wait you're actually siding with all the people whining about the joke on twitter?

some dude, Thursday, 6 November 2014 15:11 (nine years ago) link

Ok, I didn't even make it that far into the article.

how's life, Thursday, 6 November 2014 15:13 (nine years ago) link

oh I thought this thread was revived to discuss how "Perfect Storm" sucks.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 November 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link

Continuing to be the king of amateur cover art:

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/tasteofcountry.com/files/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2014-09-03-at-5.36.54-PM.png

the man with the black wigs (Eazy), Thursday, 6 November 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link

still can't get over his career downturn album literally featuring him about to belly flop on the cover

da croupier, Thursday, 6 November 2014 15:56 (nine years ago) link

Social media was undecided on whether his dig at country music's predominantly white stars (and predominantly white fan base) was funny or racist.

I really hope to see a sentence open with "Social media was decided on..." someday.

da croupier, Thursday, 6 November 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link

lol

some dude, Thursday, 6 November 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link

He should put out another shut up and play your guitar album.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 November 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Speaking of which, occurred to me that I never listened to his last one or the most recent one. Am I missing anything? I sort of think I have as much by this guy as I need.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link

It's better than his last. I still listen to "You Shouldn't Have To" and "Shattered Glass."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link

It's like he's on the fast path to late-era Prince, from "hey, check this out!!" to "hey, this isn't that bad" to "hmm, I liked the last one better" to "ho hum, another record with one or two worthwhile tracks."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Occurred to me that I still haven't bothered with his last two, and that we are also probably due a new one. It's too bad he's such a huge star, because I'd love someone to cut his budget in half.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 26 March 2016 18:11 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Brad Paisely, where is the song to unify us all right now?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 00:25 (six years ago) link

Like all fading stars, he's taken to TV.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 00:48 (six years ago) link

I heard him guest hosting some comedy show on satellite radio.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

On this one year anniversary of the invasion, I'm reminded of the ways we are all so similar.
Here is the first song available from my new project. This is "Same Here". Featuring Pres. Volodymyr Zelenskyy (@ZelenskyyUa)https://t.co/oWdVc8e7dv pic.twitter.com/AsivvDponb

— Brad Paisley (@BradPaisley) February 24, 2023

The comments are, predictably, a shit-show. He's well past his A-list days, but this still strikes me as a pretty gutsy thing for someone in the current country industry to put out. I'm sure John Rich will be screaming about it by the end of the day...

jon_oh, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:29 (one year ago) link

As the sun rises and sets, this grifter is using Paisley's song with Zelensky to push his own invented persecution narrative: pic.twitter.com/E0mDxSTOLR

— Country Universe (@CountryUniverse) February 25, 2023

... And I was right. Neat-o.

jon_oh, Saturday, 25 February 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link

Arguably, the three tenors (Pavarotti, Domingo, Carreras) may belong here too.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:46 PM bookmarkflaglink

uh WAHT

― HI DERE, Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:52 PM bookmarkflaglink

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 February 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link


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