Gilles Peterson And All Who Sail In Him - KILL KILL KILL!!!!

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bob james or bob jones?

Bob Grant Out Of On The Buses morelike

(wow, my original post, talk about hardcore fucked up!)

With these ancient posts it's a bit of an embarrassed "um...do I know you from somewhere?" situation.

I don't mind him at all these days except I wish R1 would put his show on at an hour when I can listen to it (yes I know, iPlayer, but sometimes you just want to switch the radio on and listen to the thing as it happens).

Also I picked up his excellent Defected - In The House 3CD compilation for three quid out of Fopp not so long ago.

i hate gilles' presenting voice - he doesnt speak like that outside of the show. but he plays some good stuff. i dunno about 'washing out' of anything - he plays a lot of really amazing 70s music that might seem safe to people who need 'attitude' in everything they listen to or have an automatic dislike of white people entrenched in black music (im guessing they think they have an ID crisis - which might be right, but isnt always) but that stuff is classic (isleys, callier, sanders, etc etc). yeah a lot of what he plays from recent times can be a bit safe and twee but thats what people influenced by the music GP used to play/like make these days, neo soul, nu jazz, jazzy/soulful rap, dilla, jazzanova, etc etc. not really his fault. and some of it is good.

he is a fanny, though.

yeah, but what dj isnt?

DJ Wang

The eMusic samples of his curated Fania DJ Series compilation sound great, fwiw. Nothing especially watered-down or milquetoast about the selections.

TS: Diplo vs. Gilles Peterson

I haven't listened to his show or any of his records for a long time, but all that nu-jazz/polite n bass muzak just makes me queasy. also, he has the voice of a yes-man.

Well, I guess his show is a lot different to what it was 7 years ago.

Only heard it a couple times (timing being the essence), but it's great stuff.

Can't recall his "DJ style" which can only be a good thing.

"TS: Diplo vs. Gilles Peterson"

theyre not even similar. both can be annoying though.

theyre not even similar. both can be annoying though.

The comment was inspired by some interview Diplo did where he compared himself to Gilles Peterson in a world music context - that they both had an interest in it but his was more (ahem) 'street'. Diplo also stood in for Gilles Peterson's Radio One slot.

Anyway Gilles Peterson is a chin stroking jazz wanker.

lol wtf is dizzee doing on this compilation? i dont think i ever heard gilles playing dizzee til his 3rd album came out!

On October 11, BBE will release a new double-CD compilation capturing the sound of Gilles Peterson’s Worldwide radio show.

The immensely popular BBC Radio 1 show, which is syndicated around the globe, has been in existence for ten years, providing a platform for a wide array of new artists and records whose roots can be traced back – some more obviously than others – to classic soul, reggae, jazz and funk. It’s a broad church, as this compilations demonstrates, with MIA, Amy Winehouse and Dizzee Rascal rubbing shoulders with Theo Parrish, Sa-Ra, Darkstar and Benga.

Tracklist:
CD 1
1. Nitin Sawhney – Tides
2. Cinematic Orchestra feat. Roots Manuva – All Things to All Men
3. Quasimoto – Come on Feet
4. Q-Tip – Let’s Ride
5. Erykah Badu – Green Eyes
6. Jill Scott – He Loves Me [Lyzel In E Flat]
7. Herbert – The Audience
8. Jay Dee – Rico Suave Bossa Nova
9. Dwele – Too Fly
10. Amy Winehouse – Take the Box
11. Gotan Project – Triptico
12. Dizzy Rascal – I Luv U
13. M.I.A. – Galang
14. Vikter Duplaix – Manhood

CD 2
1. Sa-Ra – Rosebuds
2. Steve Spacek – Dollar
3. Outlines – Just a Lil’ Lovin
4. Recloose – Dust
5. Amerie – 1 Thing
6. Seun Kuti & Fela’s Egypt 80 – Many Things
7. RSL – Wesley Music
8. Sebastien Tellier – La Ritournelle
9. Little Dragon – Twice
10. Jose James – Dreamer
11. Theo Parrish – Goin’ Downstairs (Part 1)
12. Benga – Emotions
13. Darkstar – Aidy’s Girl Is a Computer

i think i preferred gilles before he tried to be all things to all people and just played stuff for people that read straight no chaser

gilles' show is still good btw. people like marcello might get very self conscious about white soul boys (esp those who are a bit anal/annoying) but hey, who cares, he plays good stuff. and people from the scenes hes into have to give it up to him. it is funny listening to people like erykah or saadiq on his show and hearing them get a bit annoyed when he says 'did you know this song?' and they dont.

White people who like black music get very annoyed by other white people who like black music.

^^ new board description

Good Lord, I had a lot of undirected bile in me back in those late 2001 days. In the intervening decade my opinion of Gilles P has softened considerably and his is certainly one of the most listenable shows on Radio 1, or at least would be if it weren’t stuck on at two in the morning (yes I know iPlayer but blah blah blah). He hasn’t really changed in all that time so I must have done.

I think it was his “disciples” I had more problems with than the man himself.

In fairness, many of his disciples made (or championed) some unbelievably tedious music but I always gave Gilles P leeway for all the good stuff he covered.

Him and Gaz Mayall..

Easy to attack, but the simple fact that they both have proved that they love what they are doing by the simple fact that they're still doing it, gives them the tag of "earned respect" for me.

The only Gilles Peterson related things I own are two Impressed compilations of 60s British jazz, both of which I adore. He loves music, he does a great job promoting what he loves. Fair play to him. If he's a bit over-eager and geeky, well... This IS ilm, you know. We're all aspie music geek fucks. He just makes a living from it.

He hasn’t really changed in all that time so I must have done.

I think it was his “disciples” I had more problems with than the man himself.

― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 7 April 2011

I wonder about this - whether that kind of "disciple" has disappeared or at least become much less noticeable today

i think that kind of disciple has def mellowed. harder to be a chin stroking nerd who hates all modern music/black music and praises old impulse releases or whatever when even guys like gilles are saying lil wayne is alright and playing - amazingly, when you consider what gilles would have been into when grime was coming up - dizzee. that sort of elitism is also harder to do these days when the musicians themselves arent enforcing those old battle lines.

as far as gilles though, i swear he sometimes needs someone to make him complete a sentence more often. its not that hard to finish a thought gilles, really. its why a lot of the times he has great guests on his radio arent as good as they could be - he cant interview for shit. (or maybe he used to be able to, idk) funnily enough i overheard him talking with some friends once about football and women in a bar and he sounded nothing like he did on air. he can actually talk at a normal volume. so hes not as precious/dreamy/bohemian as the show might have you believe (or have me believe at least).

Speaking in a pub <> speaking while wearing headphones that replay your voice into your ears at twice the volume of.. um, yeah.

@Scik Mouthy: There's a third volume of that amazing Impressed jazz series that the label refused to release, so Tony Higgins (who worked with Gilles Peterson in compiling the first two) released it on Orgy in Rhythm: http://orgyinrhythm.blogspot.com/2010/10/impressed-3-here-now.html

I love lots of this ~2001 Gilles Peterson endorsed music: Soul Jazz comps, the Strange Games & Funky Things series, disco and rare groove in general, Masters at Work, the first Cinematic Orchestra record, Fela and Afrofunk in general, Logical Progression circa 1997, etc. I think it's held up well over the years, though I hardly ever listen to Jazzanova or whatever anymore.

The sense I got from ILM at the time was that whatever scene there was around this music (which I would have no idea of personally, I'm from nowhere, Canada) was terminally pathetic and reactionary compared to UK Garage, 80s industrial, dance pop, or free jazz, some of which I liked but never felt the same connection to. This thread in particular (not just Marcello but the whole following string of comments agreeing with him) put me off commenting here for years. I'm not sure where the attitude came from, same us-v-them style as old school Melody Maker. I always thought it was an English thing, blamed Blissblog.

And now everyone's older and wiser, which is as it should be.

"an English thing" = class rage, but you knew that already.

I think the attitude came from people that wanted dance music to be punk,

They used to fight on the seafront in Brighton

that attitude came from people who read the nme (and rock press in general) too much and/or were just too self conscious about gilles, in a similar way to people who are self conscious about westwood, and find him embarassing cos hes white. or they seemed to take the 'why are these white guys so hung up on old black music when black audiences have moved on' approach, which is kind of stupid, as the whole rare groove scene which gilles was afilliated with was basically a black (and bloody great) scene anyway (afaik i know ppl like simon reynolds didnt/dont like that scene either, cos yknow, only white ppl are allowed to do retro-based scenes, black people should be doing THE FUTURE! ok that sounded like a stand up routine). too much obsession with 'authenticity', as if gilles doesnt have black listeners.

gotta say i hated a lot of the nu-jazz stuff gilles used to push - just didnt get it. though i like jazzanova a tiny bit more than i did back then.