Inarticulate comments on the famous teen rocker girls

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Katy Rose said of Avril Lavigne: "I don't want to say anything bad about her because I'm sure she's a nice girl, but she's extremely manufactured, and her record is extremely overproduced. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just my opinion. I don't feel like she put a lot of heart and soul into it. And it seems like she's trying to be something that is not real."

I don't know. Both Lavigne and Rose kinda sound the same to me. They look similar, too. But Katy's hit single "Overdrive" isn't nearly as annoying as Avril's "Complicated" or (ugh) "Sk8er Boi".

And then there's Lindsay Lohan and Hilary Duff and Ashlee Simpson - they're all the same, aren't they?
They're better role models than Britney Spears. But I can't really relate to any of 'em.
They're there for old men to drool over.

Nowell, Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Drool.

Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that's right.
I don't think they want that kind of attention from men, though. They just wanna look good...who doesn't?

Nowell, Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

They themselves may not want that kind of attention (which in itself is arguable) but the record companies certainly want it for them. It's all part of the marketing.

Britney's released a couple of great records, mind you.

Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "Toxic" and "Brave New Girl" are catchy. But sometimes it just sounds like brainwash. Jesus.

Nowell, Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"Baby One More Time", "Stronger", "Slave 4 U", "Boys" and "Toxic" are all top-notch pop songs.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"Oops! I Did It Again" got me. It got my older brother, too. When it first came out, he'd listen to it constantly on Napster.

"I'm a Slave 4 U" was her I'm-coming-out song.

I don't like "Stronger". I don't dislike the message, I just think it's not that good of a song.

And "Lucky" is just crap!

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

With you on "Lucky".

Who's Katy Rose?

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Katy Rose is some new girl. I saw her on TV. She looks almost exactly like Avril Lavinge.
You know what I hate about Avril? How her hair is so perfectly straight. That's not punk. OH, but she never claimed to be punk. Other people were thrusting that label on her.
That wasn't cool.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

'Avril Lavinge' and 'punk' don't belong in the same novel, let alone the same paragraph.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I concur.

I don't know why anyone thought she was punk anyway.

Maybe it's cuz she wore spiky bracelets or something, and nowadays that shit passes for punk.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody over 18 ever thought she was punk.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I never thought she was punk. And I'm only fifteen!

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Well done.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

straight hair is punk

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/tv_pix/mtv/mtv_video_music_awards_2003_photos/_group_photos/iggy_pop70.jpg

wetmink (wetmink), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

JAYMZ AND IGGY!

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, maybe it is. But Lavigne always looks so perfect and polished. THAT is not punk.
But then again, should I be putting so much limitations on it, saying you have to look a certain way to be punk? No, I shouldn't.
Punk means whatever you want it to mean. I suppose.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

So this Katy Rose person looks exactly like Avril, but she's saying that *Avril* is manufactured?

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I've found Katy Rose:

http://www.phase9.tv/images2a/Katy_Rose_-3_Turnaway.jpg

Her hair is certainly less straight than Avril's

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Like I said, they both sound and look the same to me.
But if I had to choose, I'd say I like Katy better.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is titled "What Is Punk?"

What is punk rock?

And for an awesome more recent punk/metal whatever album get Refused's The Shape Of Punk To Come.

piers (piers), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

OK - punk rock.

piers (piers), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The Famous Teen Rocker Girls = potential band name?

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

They should be Japanese! That would be great.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's a pretty interesting thing on it...


Oh, but I'll show you the roots of punk. The roots of punk was the first time a kid ended up living with his parents till he was 40. The roots of punk was the first time you stole money out of your mother's purse and didn't know what to spend it on because you weren't old enough to buy beer. The roots of punk was the first time your father got so frustrated with your intransigence he almost raised his fists against you, and you not out of high school yet, and you didn't even care, you just wanted to drift a few blocks away and get fucked up. Punk may (may?) be essentially passive. Punk is stupid proud consumerism. Punk is oblivion when it isn't any fun and unlike winos you do have a choice in fact; you're young. Punk is bleared out of your mind watching Lancelot Link at 12 noon on Saturday and having no idea of what you're seeing. Punk is getting up early Saturday morning to jack off to Isis. Punk is vomiting all over your "motherfuckers"/John Sinclair liner notes version of Kick Out the Jams and not particularly caring. Punk is ten thousand tattered skin magazines under your bed but never getting any satisfaction from masturbation not the kind that leads to languorous rest anyway so you exist on a thin hot prostate wire of tension and jack off three, four times a day, knowing it's stupid and pointless and hating it for that more than submerged guilt but doing it because there's nothing else to do but get drunk. Punk is having favorite girlfriends in the skin mags you come back to again and again. Punk is finally getting a girlfriend and then treating her shitty because you're too stupid, drunk, and self-absorbed. Punk is being a girl and fucking your husband/boyfriend while watching TV over his shoulder as he gets his gun. Punk is not punk, because it has become too codified. Punk is sitting in a half-dark room alone wishing you had Valiums with an indifferent record playing wanting to claw the stuffing out of the chair but feeling futility in your fingernails. Punk is hating poeticization of your condition. Punk is vague dreams of carnage and bloody revenge when you can barely swat a comatose fly. Punk is wine stains across the grooves of Between the Buttons and "Sister Ray." Punk is pointlessness. Punk is ripping up articles like this one. Punk is lacking the energy or interest to bother ripping them up. Punk is reading this article mechanically because there's nothing else to do and the words glide by like cinders. Punk is hurling the magazine across the room, dropping your hands into your lap, idly scratching your dick or clit wondering if you wanna jerk off again, deciding it's not worth the trouble, staring blankly into space. Punk is thinking maybe we should go to the movies tonight and not having the energy or self-discipline to get up and walk across the room to pick up the daily paper. Punk is talking aback to situation comedy rerun syndicated characters on afternoon TV. Punk is seeing girls in TV commercials and croaking "Take off yyer clothes . . . " when you haven't been laid in two years. Punk is running out of beer at 5:30 AM and taking three Chlor-Trimetons to see if they'll exacerbate what's left of it. Punk is waking up in the morning and not having the energy or motivation to get up and turn on the soap operas on the color TV atop the dresser across the room from your bed. Punk is starting to jerk off, getting a hardon, thinking oh fuck it what's the use, and giving up. Punk is putting on a record you love, lying down on the couch, rolling over and trying to go to sleep at four in the afternoon or seven at night just because you want that state of twilight consciousness which is better than drugs. Punk is being so lazy you want girls to jack you off or suck you instead of bothering to fuck. Punk is being willing to eat pussy while dreaming of some record you wanna buy. Punk is laziness at apogee with no apologies. Punk is saying fuck rock 'n' roll. Punk is saying fuck punk rock. Punk is treating your 2,000-plus LJ collection like dirt. Punk is passé. Punk is just a word dug by media. Punk is anything you do that should have consequences but either doesn't or you ignore them. Punk is a meaningless word that everybody is sick to death of purporting to represent a state of mind and lifestyle which while not so very complex cannot be reduced any further than it has been already in inchoate preverbal practice. Punk is something worth destroying posthaste. Hopefully this article will speed that process. Punk is being old and smart enough to know that your girlfriend is too young but not having the balls to kick her out. Like when she keeps saying "Oh, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH YOU" everytime you say some ridiculous alkie crazy thing only Bukowski has a right to, and instead of attacking her or just withdrawing you chuckle indulgently. Punk is playing father to teen pussy when you should be a shark but haven't got the teeth. Punk is getting stuck months later like the old curmudgeon as she chases local deejays at press parties in front of you and all you can say is maybe she'll grow out of it because you love the taste of her twat and the fact that no other woman will fuck all nite to "Raw Power." Punk is when you throw her over and pick up a barfloozy same day take her home drink gin fuck and in the nite she menstruates all over your bed and in the morning you drink more gin. That is when you know you are growing form punk into what some people think of as a man. At least some blood marks the spot, like Grauman's prints of the hollows of Pompeii. You don't feel like such a punk no more with all that history under you. I suppose that's when you grow up to Jon Landau productions. Either that or a dusty window and an eye that needs a toothpick.

- Lester Bangs, New Wave, August 1977

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

No way are you 15 yr old girl and quoting Lester Bangs! You are a 44 yr old male English journalist and I claim my troll bounty.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I really am a fifteen year old girl. I read a lot of books. Only nerds like meself go on these kind of sites. You see what I'm getting at?

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Jim DeRogatis your foster dad?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha-ha. Very funny.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Who's your favorite rock critic?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have one. I hardly know any of their names!
Although I admit that I like that Chuck Klosterman - most nerds do.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm signing on to the "I'm not buying Nowell as a fifteen year old kid anymore" bandwagon.
Sorry.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

she has to be... she's too defensive, and a hyperactive poster and thread-starter. And not in an "I'm faking being defensive and a hyperactive poster and thread-starter" type way.

wetmink (wetmink), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The 15 year old kid in Almost Famous knew who Lester Bangs was, and doubtless she's seen that film. Knowing who LB is is not as suspicious as it would have been before that movie.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Fine! Whatever! But I will keep saying that I am a fifteen year old girl, because I AM. But you're entitled to your own opinion.

See, wetmink knows. Said it in a mean way, though. Sadly, it's pretty accurate...

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

And she must read Klosterman in SPIN every month.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't always buy it, though.
Who do you like? If you know that Klosterman writes for Spin, you must know other rock critics.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not trying to be mean! I was the same when I was 15, it's perfectly normal. Although we didn't have "threads" when I was 15... it was 1987 and we had to... well, I don't know what the hell we did all day, to be honest.

wetmink (wetmink), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone should close down the Internet. There must be a cable they can cut. Then I wouldn't have my fragile mind being abused by people I don't even know!

Just kidding. No, I'm not.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Nowell, many of the people who post on ILX are professional music critics. Not me, of course, but I could name a dozen critics I like who populate this very board.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Awesome. Who are they? Not that I really wanna know. That's scary.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

And then there's Lindsay Lohan and Hilary Duff and Ashlee Simpson - they're all the same, aren't they?

The differences are subtle, but many. For example, Ashlee Simpson is riding on her taller, bustier sister's coattails, Hillary Duff already looks like she's hasd to blow a Disney Exec and Lindsay Lohan has big titties and sounds baked.

Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Trust me, that attitude is for best.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I know this short, rail-thin, almost-perfect-looking twenty something Filipino chick who listens to Ashlee Simpson. Weird. She's mainly into weird European dance music.

But I think Ashlee is better than Jessica.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The 15 year old kid in Almost Famous knew who Lester Bangs was, and doubtless she's seen that film. Knowing who LB is is not as suspicious as it would have been before that movie.
-- AaronHz


Yes, Aaaron's right. I retract my claim.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Trust me, that attitude is for best.

Which attitude is that?

Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I haven't seen 'Almost Famous'. I saw part of it, but I don't remember any of it. Back then I had no clue who Lester Bangs was. My mom liked the movie; that's why I saw part of it. I wasn't into music at the time.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The names, please. Famous critics on this.

John Ashcroft, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

_I_ haven't seen that film.
Nonetheless I also retract my tape measure.
Xpost

So where DO you know Mssr. Bangs from Newbell?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't say they were famous, Ashcroft!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to go. I'll be back in a few days.

Nowell, Monday, 23 August 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

avril is great because she's always saying that britney dresses like a slut.

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 23 August 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Avril taunts me in her new video

Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Monday, 23 August 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)


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