"End of the Century: the Story of the Ramones"

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So, I finally saw this today. Anyone else? Not a wild departure from what you might expect. Nor any great surprises. Johnny was a dictatorial tyrant, and the rest were largely luckless dysfunctionals. Definetely for fans, but I can't see anyone without a real interest in the band giving a damn (not a Some Kind of Monster, in other words....though I've yet to see that). The archival footage is nice, but nothing you've never seen before. Richie Ramone looks an investment banker now.

It's tone is rather muted and dour overall.

What'd you think?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I really want to see this.

dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The more I think about it, the more disapointed in it I become. I mean, it's cool, and there are some funny moments, but it doesn't really add up to very much.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, i want to see it. Love that poster.

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Will be seeing this on the weekend.

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Do stories on the Ramones ever add up to much though, really?

dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone else read any of Dee Dee's books? My sister got me his last one, which I can't remember the name of, but it was about his European tour, essentially a tour diary, and I don't know if they just didn't edit it enough in an attempt to get it out ASAP after he died, but MAN is that a shitty book.

n.a. (Nick A.), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Joey Ramone and Howard Stern: separated at birth?

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dee Dee was my favorite.

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

LOVE KILLS

dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Adam, if you want Dee Dee to remain your favorite, DON'T READ THAT BOOK.

n.a. (Nick A.), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone else read any of Dee Dee's books?

Yeah, I've read "Poison Heart", which was later re-edited and re-titled "Lobotomy," revealilng our Dee Dee to not be the brightest bulb in the closet. I also read -- somewhat inexplicably -- his other book, "Chelsea Horror Hotel," which is basically just a long, self-pitying, paranoid rant.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish the movie had run backwards. Forwards, it's a sad story.

I did like the early focus on the creative process that drove the band. It had always been a mystery to me how they had sprung out fully formed, with all their brilliance in place. It sounds like it was just as much of a mystery to them. Tommy recounts how it hit him, in the middle of their rehearsal of "I Don't Want To Go Down To the Basement," that all of a sudden they had become a great band.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the one that I read (well, I didn't finish it), and like Alex says, he comes across as pretty stupid and somewhat delusional. It's a tour diary, but there are fantasy parts where Dee Dee kills a bunch of border guards or has orgies with a bunch of underage girls, and it's not really clear how aware he is that these things didn't happen. It's pretty dismal.

n.a. (Nick A.), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

it made me sad that only Marky acknowledges Tommy's singular drumming style. Dee Dee and Johnny brush off Tommy's musical contributions as incidental to the band's sound. Which is, of cours, a leather-clad pile of utter poppycock.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Saw it last night... Definitely agree with:

I wish the movie had run backwards. Forwards, it's a sad story.

I dunno if I agree with Alex that it's for fans only. I think one of the great points of the movie was how they seemed to transcend everything (limited musical ability, being disfuntional, and from Queens, etc) which, you know, is more universal than whatever that Metallica movie was about.

Some really funny parts too. The bit early on at CBGB's where they have a fight over what song to play ("It's two against one") is hilarious.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Sunday, 5 September 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
This is on WNET/13 in NY this week, Tuesday 10pm

Keith C (kcraw916), Sunday, 24 April 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Also on KCET Los Angeles Saturday at 9.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 25 April 2005 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I quite liked it, even more so the second time (on DVD, saw it in the theater the first). I think Alex in NYC may have been disappointed because there wasn't much he already didn't know; on its own terms I think it works splendidly, and I wonder if Alex were to watch it again now he wouldn't see it differently. (When he gets a moment to do so w/the baby and all, that is.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 25 April 2005 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

astonishingly the dvd has a commentary from danny baker in the uk.
a good thing! it's not for fans only, i'm no fan and i loved it.

the dee dee 1980's rap video (in increibly poor quality) is fantastic.

piscesboy, Monday, 25 April 2005 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the poop on "Elvis Ramone" btw?

(On the DVD, I mean. I have the "On the Road" book with the photos of...)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 25 April 2005 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Elvis Ramone was Clem Burke of Blondie. He couldn't keep up with the patented Ramones drumming style, and he was too much of a clothes horse, thus Johnny dismissed him

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 25 April 2005 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Version airing on TV is cut (for time).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 April 2005 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the best moment of the film was when Johnny was asked about Joey towards the end of the film and you could see in his eyes a whole flash of extreme emotions crossed his mind, and then he got ahold of himself and swallowed it and said it made him feel bad because Joey was part of team and you fight for the team.

I think that that 10-15 second clip gives you more insight into him as a person than most of the narrative.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 25 April 2005 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Version airing on TV is cut (for time).

How so? It's blocked for two hours here, and it's a 110 minute film. But wait...a pledge drive??? NOOOO!

Keith C (kcraw916), Monday, 25 April 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

What, they bumped the Oldies reunion show, Simon and Garkfunkel Live At Central Park and The Police Play To Area Man at Area Arena to show the Ramones???

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 25 April 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Last Ramones tour = Antiques Roadshow?

Keith C (kcraw916), Monday, 25 April 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

This was great! I didn't expect it to be so depressing, though.

Best clips:

* Johnny going all-out rockist and blasting Blondie for doing disco on some talk show.
* The fight they have on stage over whether or not to do "Loudmouth" or "Basement"
* The Stooges clip with Iggy smearing peanut butter on himself and the chick in the audience laughing at him (ah, the days when we didn't take rock so seriously!)

Keith C (kcraw916), Monday, 2 May 2005 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
Used to love the Ramones but with few exceptions ignored their post-Rocket to Russia output. Just watched the DVD and LOVED it. Yes, it is sad, but well done, and it seems like a very honest document. RIP Johnny, Joey, Dee Dee, and Joe Strummer too (whose interview in the extras is extremely moving).

xero, Monday, 19 September 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
I think the best moment of the film was when Johnny was asked about Joey towards the end of the film and you could see in his eyes a whole flash of extreme emotions crossed his mind, and then he got ahold of himself and swallowed it and said it made him feel bad because Joey was part of team and you fight for the team.

Man, Johnny came across as such a fucknut in this film, but this scene was mental. "Yeh man, I don't know why but I was upset for like, a week after Joey died."

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 20 November 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

eighteen years pass...

Anniversary screening coming up in Queens per Joey Ramone's social media account, though the info is different in both posts from yesterday:

On August 16th 1974 The Ramones played their first gig at CBGB and with it changed the course of music history. In August of 2004 the critically acclaimed, Grammy nominated and only authorized documentary on the band was released in theaters around the world. The screening of the film will be followed by a Q&A with an esteemed panel of guests from the ‘70s NYC underground scene. “It’s a dark movie. It’s accurate, it left me disturbed.” - Johnny Ramone

and

Join the FIRST EVER Q&A with members of John & Tommy's 1st band= Tangerine Puppets * PLUS other Forest Hills musicians who played with Ramones before they became Ramones. There will also be film footage of Joey Ramone with Sniper!! Followed by a special V.I.P screening of End of the Century, The Story of the Ramones: marking the 50th anniversary of the Ramones first show at CBGB—the first time they performed as a four-member band, as well as the 20th anniversary of the film). You can buy tickets here: https://queenstheatre.org/event/end-of-the-century/

birdistheword, Monday, 5 August 2024 20:52 (one year ago)


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