Langley Schools Music Project

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I might be a daft punk, but I'm not sure there's been a subject on it. Not that there's going to be much discussion either way--go forth this holiday and seek it out! It will make you smile and feel googly warm.

Mickey Black Eyes, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pricely version of Desperado. Woohoo!

Mickey Black Eyes, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That is fucking brilliant! I like the big crescendo in "Space Oddity". Score another one for western Canada!

dave q, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the most beautiful thing i've heard in a long time.

ethan, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thought I'd think it'd be an annoying novelty. It is a novelty, but it's... kind of sweet. And "Desperado" is just wonderful, even taken as a non-novelty.

Douglas, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Sorry, hate to disagree, but I got the CD for Christmas and "wincing" is one adjective which comes to mind. I've been busy this evening trying to find out more about the recording and I can't understand all the eulogies which are being heaped on it. It's just a school choir and wouldn't have won much at a Kiwanis Music Festival. Just because something is old doesn't make it good and this music isn't even that old.

flip, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wow! This is a coinkiey-dink. I just heard that version of "Desperado" on the Irish radio programme "Mystery Train". That guy (or woman) is one enlightened music teacher. It's brilliant.

Michael Bourke, Saturday, 5 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Beautiful and moving.

dan, Saturday, 5 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Aha, saw this one in the shops yesterday and since then I'm drawn to it like crazy. 70s/kids/nostalgia/lost time = almost too good to be true. Amazing! Both Ethan and Dave Q like it, something must be going on.

Always can bring my daughter along to deceive those pesky record clerks and pretend it's for her. ;)

Omar, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

A friend of mine played me a few bits from this over Christmas. The arrangements are rather wonderful. I suspect the singing would get rather tiresome over a whole LP's length, however. The "sleevenotes" on the CD cover are a bit OTT.

Jeff W, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ah flip it, I'm going to get it, even though my girlfriend will hate it. Bands she dislikes (esp. Stereolab) she disses with the term 'schoolband'. :) What a shame they didn't record 'You can't always get what you want' and 'Gimme Shelter', that would have been just perfect. Although I imagine the parents would have been a bit puzzled by that choice.

Omar, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wow. This album is terrific! I just bought it after getting a phone call from my sister who was freaking out because her husband, Remy Tompkins, was the drummer for that group. It's so brutally innocent. As to flip's comments, sorry it doesn't have the mainstream commercialized touch to make it popular enough to suit your tasted, but in my opinion, that's what makes it stand out so far from the rest - music done by children who simply love what they were doing.

Anth3m, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's beautiful, magical and all that but also a bit heavy ('Desperado' = brutal). Hard to explain but it's not something I'll put on regularly.

Omar, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's great. Pure music, made without any of the intrusions of commercial considerations or image. The joy and enthusiasm brought to "I'm Into Something Good" and "Saturday Night" is infectious, and "The Long and Winding Road" and "Desperado" are touching and beautiful beyond words.

Anthony Nicholas, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

no one has mentioned "God Only Knows," what a haunting rendition

alex, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I was a part of these recordings and it puts a lump in my throat just knowing that there are so many willing fans. Justbecause it's old doesn't make it good but the integrity behind it all speaks for itself. It is something that I can take to the grave with a warm feeling knowing that I was there.

Jason Mundeling, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

music that makes me smile and want to cry at the same time - i haven't felt like this about music in so long.

goeff, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

something pervy and pedo about this whole fred. woodnt be writing about it if it was st winifred school choir would u?

XStatic Peace, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

wtf is st winidfred and what does she look like?

goeff, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't remember it, but was St Winifred's a girls' boarding school? How lovely, in all senses, if it was!

Anthony Sanderson, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I heard the album last week, and I was a bit disappointed by it. I won't criticise the music itself, because that would be unfair. These were recordings made by non-professionals and none of it was intended to reach a mass audience. I'll just say that the praise for the c.d. is over-the-top. I don't think these recordings are "gorgeous, heavenly artifacts". Yes, there are some charming moments (such as the version of "The Long and Winding Road"), but a lot of this music could have been made by any school choir. It is the song selection that is special. The arrangements are intriguing in places, but comparing them to Spector is silly.

The accompanying photos are more moving than the music. When you look at the photographs of the kids, you can't help but wonder what kind of futures lay ahead for them all.

Mark Dixon, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
I just bought it and I really enjoy it. I'm about the same age as the kids in the recordings, so the song selection hits home (I loved choir, too -- we used to sing the "59th Street Bridge Song" and "Yesterday.") Those crescendos where the voices swell and you can tell the kids can't contain themselves ("Space Oddity," "Saturday Night"), I find that very moving.

It should be said that it really isn't different from hearing any old choir of 10th graders doing some pop hits. It's pulling the music out of the context of a recital and hearing it in your living room, or over headphones, that makes it so powerful. The arrangements are nice, but aside from "Space Oddity" (which really is weird and scary), they're not the real appeal of this thing.

Mark, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(10 year olds, not 10th graders)

Mark, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
I am a big wuss, because today when I listened to the Langley Schools Music Project record for the first time I started crying while listening to The Long And Winding Road.

I haven't been emotionally affected by music like this in ages.

DV, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do all of you lot buy plates with puppies on off the back of the Sunday magazines, too?

Hard-Hearted Tom, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a puppy calendar, if that's any help.

And I mean proper puppies, not the kind of puppies you smut-dogs are are thinking of.

The surprisingly sentimental Dirty Vicar, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

an interesting comment from The Pinefox: at times the sonic attack of the LSMP resembles classic early Belle & Sebastian tracks like Lazy Line Painter Jane. Given how many Wings songs the LSMP cover, they are clearly the missing link between the band the Beatles could have been and B&S.

DV, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Great song choice, I'd say, but honestly if I'd heretofore thought these songs were that great (I barely thought of them at all) I'd have sometime in my life obtained the originals, whereas I only ever bothered to own three, one of which I got by accident ("To Know Him Is to Love Him," one of the lesser songs on a Phil Spector tape my brother once made for me). And of the other two, "Space Oddity" gets an excruciatingly dreadful performance here - really awful, not just out of tune, but leaden and interminable, the only bad thing on the record - and the other, "Rhiannon," is great, but then the song is damn nigh indestructible (and the Langley version is hardly a match for the original, anyway).

As for many of the rest, and "Know Him" too, somehow the Langley performances make me hear power and beauty that I hadn't previously noticed.

I don't know. Maybe in a few cases this has to do with the kids' youthful energy: kid energy is a good thing, and can be great when it comes across on record ("Double Dutch Bus," Lil' Romeo's "My Baby"), but there has to be artistry involved, something that organizes the energy for effect.

For instance, I'll say flatly that when a friend of mine's daughter Lia (age seven or eight, at the time) got her neighborhood friends to dance and sing along to Britney's "Lucky," acting it out and somewhat drowning it out, this was better than the original. When Lucky is sad, the kids are making sad faces, and so on. It was a real kick, and I'd say the kids organized their own energy on that afternoon (the artistic organization of an afternoon). But a tape of that out-of-tune version wouldn't be worth hearing; nor a videotape worth seeing - or if the latter were worth seeing, this would only be if the video maker himself were an artist and knew how to manipulate sound and images for effect. The greatness of Lia's performance was in its moment (though the fact that "Lucky" could be used for such a performance makes the song better than I'd realized, better than it had been).

So what about the artistry in the Langley's versions, artistry that works in my moments not just in its own? Energy is only a small part of it, since the energy songs here are nice but don't predominate and are usually not the best. The better songs are slow and mournful, and their renditions matter-of-fact. What I like in "Desperado" is that the nine-year-old singing it (accompanied only by piano, which is less in tune than she is) lets the song hold the stage - this is not my general aesthetic, by the way (nor my general anaesthetic), that bare beauty is the best beauty. I often like performers who mess with the material and who throw as much stuff as they can into their sound. But it was bare beauty that worked at Langley. In the liner notes the guy says that he kept the accompaniment spare, since he had all those kids voices and he needed to give them space. And I'd say the spareness helped him avoid the worst problem of '70s soft rock, which was that the soft-rock arrangements balanced things out too much, filled in too many of the spaces, cushioned and muffled everything in harmonies and strings and guitar - not that there were too many harmonies, strings, etc. but that they were used in a way that knocked them all into neutral. So it isn't so much that '70s soft rock was too slick, or that slick is worse than rough, and professional worse than amateur (thousands of hardcore punk bands prove otherwise), but that the willy nilly application of any professional technique, whether slick or rough, spare or full - "it worked on the last record, so this is how we must do things, forever and ever" - simply smothers the ability to make good music.

On the Langley record the singing is remarkably in tune, given that it's a bunch of children, nontrained voices, everybody gets to play. Still, since the voices are untrained, the sound has a fuzz of nonmusicality at the edges, the sort of nonmusicality that you get when a lot of untrained singers sing at once. What's impressive, though, is that the musical director got the kids to sing softly - beautifully softly - when necessary. This isn't impressive just because he got them to do it, though getting kids to sing softly must be difficult, but that they do it well. It's harder to be soft than loud, and my guess is that the kids must have felt and trusted the music enough to let themselves be soft, to let their voices sit back in the melody. The crucial accompanying instrument was the xylophone (supposed to be Tibetan bells, I think, but it sounds like a xylophone to me), which plays single notes or two- or three-note riffs, not a lot of them but very effective. To compensate for all this soft perfection, whenever there's percussion it comes crashing in too loud. Fortunately there's not a lot of it, since it's played for punctuation, not rhythm.

Best tracks on here: "Sweet Caroline," original by Neil Diamond (why don't I own any Neil Diamond albums?). "Wildfire," original by I don't remember who. "Venus and Mars," also can't remember who'd hit with it. "Rhiannon," indestructible, as I said. A good version of "Mandy." ("Frank, there's this record you're really going to like; it's got a bunch of ten-year-olds singing stuff like 'Mandy' and 'Wildfire'"????) "The Long and Winding Road," a girl singing solo, totally gripping version of a song that I'd hated up till now, considered it the worst Beatles song ever. Maybe I'd been so angry at late-Beatles McCartney for retreating into sap that I wasn't willing to like anything like this. I'd heard nothing good in it. When the girl sings "will never disappear," and later when the tune comes 'round again, "Will always lead me here," I say to myself "That's gorgeous." I just had no idea this song had so much beauty. Was my problem that originally McCartney had made it sound too easy? Normally I'd say that if someone makes the difficult sound easy - which was one of the glories of the early Beach Boys, that they weren't sounding glorious but just fun - then he's doing a good job. But that's another rule that doesn't always apply. Maybe I'm paying more attention to the beauties here, the song intricacies, because I'm caught up in the process, the struggle for the beauty. Sometimes the girl's breath goes short, but she never loses the rhythm and never gets too loud or too soft; stays right where she needs to be.

Well, I'm not totally helpless: "Wildfire" is by the immortal Michael Murphey, and "Venus and Mars" is by the hated McCartney (a fact I'd repressed), but I had to go to Allmusic.com to find this out.

Maybe the post-Beatles McCartney was a better songwriter than I'd realized, but lost the ability to sing for effect. Or maybe I need to go back and re-evaluate him. Maybe the Langley versions of his music are better than his own. Or maybe they're not better, but they're simply different enough to make me pay attention to what's there in the music.

And no, I won't say that the versions on here of "Good Vibrations" and "In My Room" are better than the Beach Boys' (or nearly as good) but I will say that maybe these performance show why (and how) the Beach Boys' versions could be bettered.

Frank Kogan, Friday, 21 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Man, love the Michael Murphey link there. Did you know he's the number one, best selling singer of American Cowboy Music today?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Vicar is OTM.

'Venus & Mars' is good, but Wings' versions (2) are still a lot better.

the pinefox, Friday, 21 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
strange but good side-effect: i was playing some of this on random shuffle, and "winding road" segued into cornelius cardew's piano piece "we play for the future", which was much mocked when it appeared for its old-fashioned (edwardian) simplicity, given that he was this bigwig (smallwig) maoist avant- gardist... well i didn't even spot the join at first, thought that the piano was the langley piano teacher doing a flourishy thing within a langley song, a bit clumsy, overdramatic, naive but affecting blah blah, then i realised it was cardew and thought why can't we hear HIM like that? radical critic: "oh this music was so bourgeois and patronising and not radical at all": sorry, fuck off radical critic, that's you projecting, not him playing, fluffs and all (yes yes i know, it's shallow awareness of his politics and his pedigree which wrongfoots us, what we weakly but smotheringly read into his intentions, to avoid having to listen to the thing itself...)

mark s, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
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Anastasia Ayivor, Monday, 25 October 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, having just skimmed up the thread I am at an absolute loss as to how a r4nd0m g00gl3r could find this thread while looking for a way to get to Li'l Romeo. Has g00l3 got a "Random ILX thread" button these days?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 25 October 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually Kogan does cite 'Lil' Romeo's "My Baby"' so there you have it.

DougH, Monday, 25 October 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

that girl is fuckin' intense.

peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 25 October 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

I heard 'God Only Knows' because it was played by Jason Schwartzman (yes, that actor) when he was doing Steve Jones' 'Jonesy's Jukebox' on California's 103.1, and I had to just go and immediately buy the album on eBay. Hopefully the whole album is awesome. Some samples are here:
http://www.keyofz.com/keyofz/langley/

Chelvis, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
eight years pass...

found this CD in an old box recently. It's recorded where I used to live (in Langley)

Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link

i drove by a sign for langley yesterday on the 1 back from harrison hot springs. that's my only langley story

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link

i haven't heard this album in ten years, i really enjoyed it and found it moving. not one to be played on a comedown tho ...

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link

depends on a comedown from what :P

yeah I could see that lol, the cover of desperado guts me

Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link


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