Mercury Rev: See You on the Other Side c/d

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Nothing in their collection really comes close to it.
The first two a too noisy the last two are too orchestrated
Looks like Mercury Rev are about to release a new album
so I was wondering what people think of the middle album

jb, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought it and listened to it once, but more importantly, I still wear the lovely t-shirt they gave me with the album at 3rd Street Jazz in Philly.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

funny... it is my least favourite of their albums. It doesn't have the waywardness of the Baker stuff or the breakthroughness of "Deserter's Songs".

(where does the apostrophe go in Deserters?)

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not very good

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Their last good album.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Friend Stripey swears by it, it's easily her handsdown fave and I should get her to post here about it! As for me, Yerself and Deserter's are still the two that do it best for me, but I've grown fonder of See You over time -- considering they lost David Baker, they adjusted very nicely.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I've grown to like this album more than the others, it's probably the one I listen to the most. and yes, because it's mid-way between the super-orchestration of the last two and the aggressive weirdness of the first two. I was glad they ditched Baker - his schtick always seemed a little forced and distracting to me, too willfully goofy. Zappa-esque, almost.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"Yerself" is genius. "Deserters" is OK. Nothing else is that great. "See You On the Other Side" appears to have no choons.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Mind you it's miles better than "Boces" which is just shit

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"Zappa-esque, almost."

More They Are Coming To Take Me Away Ha Ha-esque

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

BOCES is FAR from shit.

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ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

BOCES seems hit or miss. It has their best song (Meth of a Rockette's Kick) and a couple of good singles (Bronx Cheer, Something for Joey ) but there is ALOT of filler on that album, espcially the Baker stuff. I do like the their use of horns on the album (meth and joey) which see you on the side used even more (everlasting arm, sudden ray of hope, racing the tide, empire state, peacefull night)

while I love see you on the other side, I still have problems with young man's stride. The song is boring, the video (directed by moby) is horrible. At one point it features some kid with swimming goggles crowd surfing. There's some other crap in it that my brain isn't letting me remember, thank god.

jb, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Mercury Rev has videos...?

I like Young Man's Stride.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

before i found ilx, i once googled a list of the 90's best albums, written by tom ewing. this was number 1. this seems odd to me. can this list still be found?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

When See You on the Other Side is good, though, it's terrific; I think it's a major part of why I just couldn't get too impressed about later Fridmann-type albums (e.g. The Soft Bulletin). "Sudden Ray of Hope" through I think "Racing the Tide" is just gorgeous stuff.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

(I.e. "I like the bits with the soft soul shuffle and quasi-falsetto")

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

nabisco OTM

Mercury Rev has videos...?

yep.
dont know what songs from desters and all is dream were made into videos but from the pre dester era the band made video's for
Car Wash Hair (involves a a black car wash attendant, a car wash, and the band with llamas on a winter day)
Bronx Cheer (the band on a playground in NYC playing with kids)
Something for Joey (which featured Ron Jeremy in space and the band playing in rocket ship with strippers to a crowd in the middle of an orgy)
Chasing a Bee (the band playing around a vacant building, johnathn looking really stoned and david baker having water poured on him while he gets assailed by a couple of scantily clad women, and some other weird stuff I can remember)

jb, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i think this is their most consistent album, but i prefer "yerself..." and "deserters...". 'empire state' is just gorgeous - meanders but never gets boring, swells and recedes perfectly - a real joy to listen to.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

dont know what songs from desters ... were made into videos

There's a video for "Goddess on a Hiway". All I remember aboot it is it mostly takes place on a boat in a swamp or tiny lake.

Something for Joey (which featured Ron Jeremy in space and the band playing in rocket ship with strippers to a crowd in the middle of an orgy)

This used to get decent airplay on Much Music's late night video program, I think almost entirely based on the fact it had nudity in it.

Vic Funk, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

last album of theirs i ever bought

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the "Empire State" song on this. There's usually at least one song on every Rev album I dig ("You're My Queen" on the latest).

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Opus 40 has a video as well. A pretty good one if I remember correctly.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

As for See You on the Other Side. It's the last time they consistently had any rhythm.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

danh OTM

On the topic of videos. There are some short films that feature them jamming to. I couple of libraries/museums in New York State have copies of them. If anyone has access to worldcat/oclc you can find more information.

jb, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"Close Encounters Of The Third Grade"!

I'm surprised no big "groove" house producers remixed this track at the time.

AAAAAAA- yeeeeAHHHHHHH, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, they were film nuts, right, wasn't deserter's songs recorded on 35mm film ala MOLES's INSTINCT

caspar (caspar), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

All their records are, or were. I'm not sure about the last one.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The outro to Empire State is like my favorite thing ever. It's the modern rock "Ode To Joy".

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

My least favorite album by my favorite band, but still classic nonetheless. The problem I have with SYOTOS is that, to me, it sounds like a sanitized version of Boces. "Empire State" just isn't as majestic as "Meth is...", "Young Man's Stride" sounds utterly pedestrian compared to the fractured insanity of "Trickle Down" etc etc. It's just not as exciting as the early stuff, or as pretty as the more recent. Pretty much a transitional album, but still a damn good one at that.

jason/, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

ti's a beautiful album, like they threw off the shackles of david baker's excess on boces and made a lovely little pop record that didn't wallow in its own seriousness. also, there's no saw if i remember right? or do i remember incorrectly? the saw is always a bad choice.
yerself is better though, for the uneasiness factor, dor david baker not being overindulgent. see you on the other side vs. shady? no contest, shady is one of the worst things ever.

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

also, there's no saw if i remember right? or do i remember incorrectly?

Inspired by this thread, I'm listening to it right now (yeah, pretty good, but it's still not bowling me over like them at their absolute best), and there's definitely saw on the chorus to "Everlasting Arm," at least.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Mercury Rev's albums rated in order of greatness:
YERSELF IS STEAM
BOCES
SEE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE
DESERTER'S SONGS
ALL IS DREAM

A perfect example of a band's quality waning with time.

blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

And reading the credits, Donahue is credited with the saw performances.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

And Paralyzed Mind Of The Archangel Void by Harmony Rockets (Rev side project) may be better than all of them.

blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

In a classic bit of ILX related spookery, I just now dug out the Harmony Rockets disc to listen to it, and rediscovered that on the disc itself the chief design element is a huge twenties-era-font "EXCELSIOR"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

was that Harmony Rockets CD recorded live?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the mock (?) formal liner notes say 'performed live at the Rhinecliff Hotel...recorded on a hand-held Arrivox-Tandberg 183 analog cassette recorder.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay so I think I was actually there when this was performed/recorded. And it was one of the most psychedelic things I've ever witnessed/heard.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

It's weird, because this is the album that it took me the longest time to get my head around. But now it's pretty close to the top of the list. (BOCES is still my fave, it's SOOOOOOO Upstate NY, so shut up all your haterz.)

It's a different kind of weird from the other albums, a gentler, more introverted kind of weird. It's a perfect stepping stone between the two Revs - it's got the disjointed utter oddness, stripped of the overpowering FUZZ, but it's not quite settled down into Sleepy Hollow Disnified production (not that there's anything wrong with that) of the later work.

Damn, I thought I had it in my bag, but I don't seem to. I really wanted to hear that "PLENTY OF TAPE, MY FRIEND!!!" bit.

I seem to remember a forest in the Goddess On A Hiway video, but I could have imagined that.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

A perfect example of a band's quality waning with time.

Does no-one else think of them as, effectively, two different bands, for whom a career overview is largely pointless?

DJ Mencap0))), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I think of them as one band with two different line-ups. The principle songwriters/mainguys haven't changed since the beginning.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

And while we're on the subject, is "All Is Dream" really so bad? I don't own it any more (ex boyfriend kept it in the divorce, like so many records from that time) but I remember it being charming and wonderful. Do people hate it because it's not like the early stuff, or do people hate it coz all that Dave Friedmann production stuff was starting to be overexposed around that time?

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I think actually seeing Mercury Rev play live was what did it for me - they just looked like such a bunch of dickheads. I think their decision to have Flaming Lips supporting them on tour has to go down as one of the biggest faux pas in the history of rock music.

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

And while we're on the subject, is "All Is Dream" really so bad?

No, it is charming and wonderful. I had the piss ripped out me only last night for stating this but fuck 'em.

Same songwriters, clearly, but with such a different approach and outlook - to my ears - that I find it difficult to think of them as the same band in anything but name. I guess this is the case with a ton of bands, but MR always seem to epitomise this complete overhaul of sound and ethos.

DJ Mencap0))), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The only time I ever saw Mercury Rev live, they were being Harmony Rockets, so they nearly blew the roof off the Brooklyn Anchorage. (Quite an accomplishment, seeing as how the roof is the Bridge, but still.) I don't think I'd see them now, unless I got to sit down or something.

Plus, I hear there's RUNES!!!

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

How come nobody here ever goes on about "Downs Are Feminine Balloons" from Boces. A work of poignant genius surely. Simon Reynolds reviewed Boces for MM back in 93 and gave it a great review I think.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Then there's the thirty-minute bonus track on the original "Car Wash Hair" single...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic. And live at the time they were a thing of beauty and chaos, this one hour wall of sound and strobes with some recognizable tune surfacing from time to time.

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Saw them in Cork Nov 92. Kevin Shields was there as his brother's band was supporting.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

>a different kind of weird ... a gentler, more introverted kind <

That's a perfect description! :)

I adore this album's gentle loopiness! It's very romantic album too, had you noticed that also? I mean, not in a "champagne and roses" cliche romantic kind of way, but a Krazy Kat, Little Nemo, Jiggs and Maggie kind of romanticism, filled with abstract expressionistic scenery, scruffy urchins, smiling paper moons, deco orchestration, dancing chorus girls, and well-aimed bricks ...


"... Loved ones came in sight
Storming down the street like Puerto-Rican kids in a summer rain
Breaking open the hydrants and going insane ..."

or

"A kiss from an old flame A trip to the moon ... Who knows what black and crazy names swim around inside her brain/adrift across the silver screen ... Our strolling make-believe ballroom glides ... into the starlit nite two fools rush in you and I ..."

Why haven't more bands mined this rich fusion of 30s/70s/90s? It's got such great potential (as show on this album). Mercury Rev were always hoplessly obsessed with the 70s, but for this one album, they finally got smart and decided to take inspiration not from their 70s idols, but from the things that _inspired_ their 70s idols : namely, the sounds and sights of the 20s-30s. So instead of going to, say, Roxy Music for inspiration, they went where Roxy went : to vaudeville and cabaret and Fred Astaire and Film Noir ...

There's a hint of this time-travelling on the album cover : anyone who's old enough to have lived through the 1970s will probably recognize it as a film still from a famous 7-up tv commercial. This is the "O" in the word "UN-COLA". And within the o, as if within a little porthole window, dances a 30s-style Busby Berkley chorus girl. It's the perfect image to show the telescoping nature of this album : a view of the 30s ... through the 70s ... in the 90s.

One last thing : Avalanches fans, check out "Close Encounters of the Third Grade". That's where their cluttered, dubby, giddy sound began, as far as I can tell, and a full 10 years before "Since I Left You"! ... The main feature of "Close ..." (besides the amusing "No, see YOU on the other side!" comments) is the interplay between a 70s style soul diva and a 30s style soprano. I jokingly refer to that as "Rowetta meets Operetta".

They go well together.

stripey, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i think "all is dream" is the only bad one, really.

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"i think "all is dream" is the only bad one, really. "

-one wonders how it would have turned out if Jack Nitzsche. I would like to think he would have had better arrangements and a more critical ear. I think they need an outside producer (since they basically produce it themselves w/ david friedman). One name that came to mind is Van Dyke Parks. I was listening to song cycles and it reminded me of see you on the other side. Especially Van's singing.

jb, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a hint of this time-travelling on the album cover : anyone who's old enough to have lived through the 1970s will probably recognize it as a film still from a famous 7-up tv commercial. This is the "O" in the word "UN-COLA". And within the o, as if within a little porthole window, dances a 30s-style Busby Berkley chorus girl. It's the perfect image to show the telescoping nature of this album : a view of the 30s ... through the 70s ... in the 90s.

I had no idea! Now that's a bit of trivia that makes me glad for this board, so it can be shared for all. Rah for Stripey! And great post indeed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Fun fact: It's Tom Ewing's favourite album of the 1990s (besides 69 Love Songs.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

All of their records have some chaff and "Young Man's Stride" is the obligatory low here. Stripey's OTM with the '30's thing though: start playing it from track 3 and you have a lovely 6-track mini-album that always sounds nicely giddy and non-rock and just beautiful.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Thursday, 9 September 2004 06:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I listened to this album for most of the morning yesterday, and it is truly a thing of magic. That's an interesting thought about the 1930s tip - I guess that's why I keep trying to use "Disney" is a good sense, rather than a negative one - thinking of the classic 30s era animated films, it has that kind of sense of wonder to it.

I keep forgetting how much I love this band. I was trying to explain growing up in Upstate NY to someone yesterday, and the only way I could really describe it was "like growing up in a Mercury Rev song".

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 10 September 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Did Tom make a New Year's Resolution at the end of 99 to never mention Japanese psych music again? I'm always shocked by how much it dominates that 90s list.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 10 September 2004 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Simon Reynolds reviewed Boces for MM back in 93 and gave it a great review I think.

That's all you need to know I think!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 September 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
This is such a great album and probably the one i have played the most through the years. Some bands just seem to come from another planet and Mercury Rev are one of them. I'm getting tickets for Bristol to be sure.

holojames (holojames), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

there is saw, ah. it could be worse, they could be the music tapes.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
SYOTOS is an excellent release, as are the two others before it.
Here's the depressing truth:

The Rev were great back then. Even with the loss of DaveB they
delivered two brilliant discs (Deserters Songs as well) - then
Donahue went too far with his falsetto indulgences (evident in
their live performances).

Furthermore, they seldom acknowledge the old stuff - as if it
never existed. I've seen 'em twice (2000,2002) - any songs from
Boces or SeeYou... Nup. They deserve the bagging they get for
the new stuff. Less pansy, more Rawk please!

putrid newt, Monday, 7 February 2005 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

listening to this now for the first time in a while. still not sure why it isn't considered one of the best albums of the 90s!

tylerw, Thursday, 29 July 2010 21:39 (fifteen years ago)


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