What is college radio all about, anyway?

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I just learned that my college radio station does not believe in general format, play what you want shows. Instead they like specialized shows, like the dub hour and the idm hour. This is not like the very lovable high-flyin', free-wheelin' college radio from my hometown. Sure, some genre shows, but exclusively?
thoughts on the purpose of campus stations?

rebecca s (rebecca S), Saturday, 18 September 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

My college radio station was general format and such a freaking joke. I'm all for a little formating.

supercub, Saturday, 18 September 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Where I live, the campus radio station over-extended themselves in their proposal to get an FM license from the Canadian government (ie CRTC). This was because of the years of trying to get one unsuccessfully. Therefore they have a higher Canadian-content requirement than the local commercial stations, and the majority of their shows were "special interest" programs like cultural and "genre" shows. One of the reasons for this is so they don't "compete" against the commercial stations.

peepee (peepee), Saturday, 18 September 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

it just seems like ONLY SPECIALIZED SHOWS would be more a function of satellite radio, or choosing your music yourself. I like the you-never-know-what-you're-going-to-hear college radio format, with some special shows mixed in.

rebecca s (rebecca S), Saturday, 18 September 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

it just seems like ONLY SPECIALIZED SHOWS would be more a function of satellite radio, or choosing your music yourself.

specialization has been going on for the nearly two decades i've been listening to college radio. seems to me more a function of, say, political correctness or covering all bases than satelite radio

frankE (frankE), Saturday, 18 September 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

my station had departments (pop, jazz, space, etc) and every dj had to pick one, but no one monitored our shows very closely. i only ever got one complaint that my show wasn't genre-specific enough. i think the station management had too many problems keeping the transmitter working to worry about what music people were playing.

A. Atom Gorgon (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 18 September 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The space department?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 September 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

yes.

A. Atom Gorgon (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 18 September 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

think of it as the "sonic boom" department. :-)

A. Atom Gorgon (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 18 September 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

space music

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/spacemusic/

Discussion of space-music and floating ambient
music. Popular artists include Klaus Schulze,
Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Michael Stearns, David
Parsons, Vidna Obmana, Jonn Serrie, etc

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 18 September 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I understand what the term refers to, but that is still the most ridiculously amorphous conception...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

the pioneer of space music on College Radio: Chuck van Zyl

WXPN Show STAR'S END Spaces-Out by: Lorraine Gennaro
http://www.starsend.org/starsend.html

While most of the music on STAR'S END is what is known as spacemusic, other genres include, ambient, techno, new age, progressive, psychedelic jazz, avant-garde, international, classical, low intensity noise, spoken word and soundtracks.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

God, my college's station has just gone to shit. It is trying to immitate the local COMMUNITY COLLEGE'S POPULAR STATION which plays nothing but taking back sunday:

WRUR plans big changes
By Cyrus Levesque
Published: Thursday, September 9, 2004

When people tune their radios to WRUR, UR's student-run radio station, they have always expected to hear a wide variety of all types of music and entertainment, but this might be too much of a good thing. At times it has included shows made up entirely of dog barks or the noises from a Nintendo game. So the WRUR staff is in the process of making many changes. The end goal of these changes is to have a much more popular and professional radio station.

The changes began with fears last year of legal action against the station, due to occasional dead air or profanity. "Last year there was a lot of concern about getting hit with an FCC fine, but this year all our ducks are in a row," general manager of WRUR and senior Seth Berkowitz said. "We weren't in trouble because we were doing anything wrong, we were in trouble because of [an FCC crackdown]."

But those concerns made WRUR look more closely at how the station was run, and it came to their attention that their ratings were very low. "We're tired of being a station no one listens to," Berkowitz said. "We got tired of how inconsistent our product was from year to year." He joked the summer was so badly organized that "we did a bad job of keeping the two or three listeners we had."

So for the past year, WRUR has been going through changes. It partnered with WXXI 91.5 last year, bringing several hours of National Public Radio to the station to avoid having to run ads. And over the summer those changes reached the rest of the station's programming.

The new rules are not finalized, but the FM station will be more selective. "There will be some changes to what you are allowed to play and how you are allowed to play it," Berkowitz said at a WRUR interest meeting on Sept. 2. "There are a lot of shows that aren't really suitable for FM."

But Berkowitz stressed that they weren't trying to get rid of the edgier shows. "We're looking into the Internet, we're looking into cable broadcast for people who don't fit our higher standards of professionalism." There will be an alternate format for disk jockeys whose shows do not make it onto the FM station.

This alternate format is needed partly just for shows whose content couldn't air on FM, but it's also needed because WRUR will be made more competitive simply by time constraints.

WRUR has been airing "Morning Edition" from 5 a.m. to 9 a.m. and "All Things Considered" from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. for a year now, but in addition, daytime programming between them will be in a more popular format. "During the day, we will be playing in a [more preferred] format," Berkowitz said. This means that shows like blues shows or reggae or other, less mainstream interests will only be able to play after 6 p.m. and before 5 a.m.

The partnership with WXXI will take up several hours of the day, but will have many benefits. "WXXI is donating lots of equipment," Berkowitz said.

WXXI employees have also begun to teach WRUR members more about broadcasting. A new class, CAS 208, has been created. "We're going to have DJ training from Scott Fybush, former host of 'All Things Considered'," Berkowitz added.

Despite the fears of some WRUR members, Berkowitz stressed that the relationship was a mutual one and WRUR would remain entirely student-run. "We have control of the situation," he said.

Many students who commented agreed there was room for improvement at the station. Junior Kim Colern felt it needed more publicity. "They should have better advertising," she said. "[They should say] things like, 'If you like this type of music it is on at this time'."

"Internet streaming would be better," senior Jeremiah Barkley said.

Senior and former DJ Carlos Rodriguez agrees. "[I would] use it more if it was on the web," he said. However, far from the changes currently under way, he feels that the problem would not be solved by adding more popular music. "A good variety is the main thing lacking." He listed Spanish music, hip-hop, and reggae as genres he would like to hear more of.

Even though WRUR remains student-run and not-for-profit, some feel it is becoming too formal or too homogenous. At the interest meeting, during a question-and-answer session after Berkowitz explained the changes, one person in the crowd asked, "Why do we need listeners?"

Levesque can be reached at [email protected].

Free the Bee (ex machina), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

college students in fragmentary understanding of commerce shocker

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

When I started listening to college radio (WXPN) in 1978 (not counting more casual listening to WRTI, which was all jazz anyway, before that), it was divided into shows focusing on particular genres or families of genres (newer stuff, older stuff). I think it worked well, but some of the shows were extremely broad, without being entirely free form (i.e., "Diaspar" played: progressive rock, Krautrock, space rock/space music, electronic music, fusion, free jazz, post-punk, industrial, avant-garde--but pretty much never any folk music, and non be-bop or medieval music, etc.). But there was also a punk show, an avant-garde/modern classical show, a reggae show (which would have included dub), and so forth.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

xpn is such a joke now

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

we're format-oriented. I don't mind because I get to hear a lot of new indie through it and it allows me to focus my searches outside of the station on other genres. Freeform would be neat but I the music being covered isn't easily heard elsewhere in town so it's still valuable.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been doing a show for long enough that I've almost forgotten what I assumed college radio was like when I was in high school. Them illusions shattered long, long ago.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

re: Diaspar played: progressive rock, Krautrock, space rock/space music, electronic music, fusion, free jazz, post-punk, industrial, avant-garde--

this diverse concept needs to be brought back, in the UK/ Ireland the number of crappy shows on radio that only play songs oriented rock music and pretend they represent non mainstream music is sickening. [Check: Xfm, some 6 Music, Virgin Radio, RTE 2FM etc]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

R.I.P, WRUR. it seems like whenever something tries to go more professional, it usually means more boring.

rebecca s (rebecca S), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

They seem to be playing a Norah Jones friendly pop format during the day and have insane sound bits claiming "the best mix in Rochester". This was the station where you used to be able to hear XBXRX!!!

Free the Bee (ex machina), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

One College radio station where I live will play Dizzee Rasclal (Or however you spell his name) but won't play Mission of Burma. They're on the same lable!

Another one plays the new Motorhead.

When I went to one station with Roger from MOB, my mom looked through a binder in the studio and they were planing on having a themed hour of songs about the dead. It was no where near Halloween.

Aja (aja), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I DJed at and served on the board of my college station (WBWC 88.3/Baldwin-Wallace College) from 1993-1995. We were, generally speaking, formatted from 6:00am to 10:00pm M-F, with specialty programming in three-hour blocks afterwards. (All kinds of different stuff on the weekends: Public affairs, college sports, specialty stuff, etc.) The rationale was that the college had a degree program in communications concentrating on radio/TV arts, and that one wasn't going to get a job in the future in professional radio without having worked within the constraints of a format.

Phil Dennison (Phil D.), Sunday, 19 September 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, I was on WRUR back in 1992-94. They had some general formatting back then (like classical on the weekends) but overall it was pretty much do what you want. The majority of student members were quite unmotivated, dead air due to people not showing up was far too common and ramifications were few. Strangely enough the tech staff seemed to have the most power. A piece of drop ceiling fell on our transmitter and took us off the air for several months while the tech dept tried to figure it out ... when we came back on I ended up doing 10 hours a week just to fill the time of students who simply quit their shows!

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Sunday, 19 September 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew people at WRTI and WRUR in the 80's, both great stations at the time. I'm volunteering at WRCT(www.wrct.org)--still freeform, even with a more professional approach to operating the station than in past years--allows for some fantasic radio.

Stephen Boyle (SBoyle), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

college radio saved my life. WZBC Newton

kephm, Monday, 20 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The college station here has a cadre of old-time DJs with block shows that have been on for 10-15 years and are very well-done. Everything else is general format and the noize kids with general format shows are firmly entrenched.

Dale the Panopticalist (cprek), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure if I and the thread's creator go to the same school, but we too have only specialized shows and I think that's great. One of the less specialized shows plays a lot of "general" independent music with little definition of a specific genre. Consequently that one airs every day for 3 hours a day rather than the usual once a week for 1 1/2 hours. I'd rather know when to tune into a show that I think I'll be interested in than just waiting for something to come up.

Reed Rosenberg (reed), Monday, 20 September 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it but a little bit of formatting goes a long way in college radio.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

jb and chris ott! Where are you?!

danh (danh), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

One College radio station where I live will play Dizzee Rasclal (Or however you spell his name) but won't play Mission of Burma. They're on the same lable!

So if they play one artist on a label's roster, logically they have to play every single one of them?

David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The slogan for my college radio station is "NPR, classical, and other smart stuff." That pretty much sums it up.

Did I ever mention how much I absolutely hate college? Well I do.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 20 September 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

college radio is about promo copies, no?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 20 September 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

the counterargument to all the anti-freeform arguments is: WFMU

amateur!!st, Monday, 20 September 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

many, but not all of them. there may well be a time to play two different records together at the wrong speeds and see what happens, but it isn't frequent at all.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 20 September 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

that WRUR article made me vomit out of my nose.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 20 September 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

CITR 101.9fm in Vancouver has the slogan "NO HITS ALL THE TIME". In fact it's format is something like: at least 35% Canadian Content; 65% stuff released in the last 6 months; 65% independent labels. The ethnic shows are allowed less Cancon (as we call it). I guess the guy on the Salsa show would find it difficult to score any Canadian records.

everything, Monday, 20 September 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

dunno...CITR played a lot of NoMeansNo back in my day and according to some European friends they were virtually Top 40 in Germany at that time.

College radio is quaintly iconoclastic (in their minds only) but where would I have heard "Dewdney Trunk Road" by Kraft Dinner if not on CITR?

And now, "Thanks KXLU", is all I can say.

Thea (Thea), Monday, 20 September 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I just finished doing my college radio station. We are freeform (miles davis and northern state, c'mon), but you gotta play 4 new songs an hour and cant repeat artists (and tiny and student run). There are maybe 4 or 5 shows worth listening to, but I still have a sentimental attachment to it all (and the housads of records). We are also "the only station that puts KUMM in your ears". See I even say "we" - its sad.

Couldn't get anyone to do specialty shows outside of hip-hop. Probably because no one could fill 2 hours w/one genre. Among other things the aversion to hip-hop outside of say atmosphere or jurrassic 5 is rather distasteful.

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

Goddamn, college radio in Southern California is soooooo fucking NPRed out.

Telemachus Sneezed (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 03:44 (fifteen years ago)


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