Who will replace Phish??

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(CNN) -- On the weekend of August 14, the career of jam band Phish ended where it began some 20 years ago, with an emotional two-day, six-set finale in the quartet's home state of Vermont.

Some 70,000 fans braved soggy conditions to reach the remote and muddy fields of Coventry, proving once again that Phish fans will travel anywhere to see their heroes play.

During the last set on the final day, guitarist Trey Anastasio altered the lyrics of fan favorite "Wilson" as a clear message to the faithful.

"You can still have fun."

But many fans were left wondering: Are there any more Phish in the sea?

"Phish stood alone atop the jam-band scene," says Jonathan Cohen, news editor for Billboard.com. "From a music standpoint, Phish was offering something no other band was. Any new contender has a lot to live up to."

So who will ascend to the throne now that the kings are gone?

Here's a short list of the most promising players:

The String Cheese Incident

Formed in 1993, this Colorado quintet has built a massive grassroots following by playing hundreds of shows a year.

Their 2003 release "Untying The Not" drew critical acclaim for stretching the boundaries of the band's eclectic blend of bluegrass, funk and reggae.

The String Cheese Incident recently announced three New York City shows leading up to New Year's at Radio City. This is big for them and clearly patterned after Phish's New Year's events.

moe.

They don't have videos on MTV, hits on the radio or platinum albums, but these upstate New Yorkers have developed an army of support with a true do-it-yourself attitude.

These big players of the festival scene score points by offering fans nearly instant recordings of their stellar live performances.

Moe. was one of the first bands to allow fans to plug into the digital soundboard feed at their concerts.

Widespread Panic

Formed in 1985, these musical troubadours have been around nearly as long as Phish.

Their trippy Southern-rock inspired live shows have garnered them a legendary reputation in the jam-band scene.

After making a successful recovery from the 2002 death of founding member Michael Houser, Widespread Panic chose to take all of 2004 off.

Their return could mark the reign of a new king.

The Dead

"I love going to see The Dead," says Allyson Wolfe, a veteran of 30 Phish shows. "I am grateful to have that to look forward to."

Jerry Garcia is gone, but the remaining members of The Dead are still a force to be reckoned with.

Old Dead-heads are blending with the new, and they remain a top concert draw.

These old-school icons could get a bump now that Phish is not there.

Ween

This unconventional rock anomaly is a bit of a wild-card.

Ween is hardly your prototypical jam-band, but they have made recent crossover appeal by playing festivals like Bonnaroo.

They boast a 10-album catalogue every bit as eclectic as Phish's and their three-hour shows have caught the eye of jam-band kids.

The duo has also managed to build a fervent worldwide following by touring nonstop, and allowing fans to openly tape and trade their shows.

Their 2003 album "Quebec" was the band's highest-charting entry on The Billboard 200 (No. 50) to date.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

WEEN!!!!

Free the Bee (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Ween fans?:

http://www.wtv-zone.com/moe/moesboomerabilia/images3/hippies.gif

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw, c'mon. Even most Phish fans don't look like that.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

medeski martin & wood, right?
but seriously, wolf eyes

autovac (autovac), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

SCI fans look like that. if the picture went a little bit further down, you'd see that none of them have any shoes on.

lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

so does that mean B+J will stop making Phish Food?

None of the above bands will bebefit, however there will be an enormouse rise in the number of parrotheads.

lukey (Lukey G), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 07:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm extremely frightened what the Ben & Jerry's flavor for Ween will be... Oh, wait, duh... like, I had to think more than 3 seconds about that one. (i hope they use the type of cheese used in cheesecake, though)

jhgf yuio, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN. period.
No one else on that list is even close.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh and any ILMer not currently in possession of the "Live in Chicago" DVD better get on the mo'fo', STAT.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jam band"?

strom (strom), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Who will replace Phish??

If there is a God, nobody.

Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope ween is left out only beacuse i want to hear the drunken harrasement of the band on live recordings. truely awe inspiring

brock (brock), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

There's an interesting article to be written about "The Jam Band Circuit." Why some groups work and not others, how certain careers revive, why this massive group of fans remain commited to live music while others have abandoned it. How often to these days to you find that a band you forgot about has had some sucess "playing the jam band circuit"?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It's so exciting to me to think that someone anywhere at CNN knows who Ween is.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Ween is huge, man. And they got that way on the "jam band circuit".

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I just heard rumors about another Z Rock Hawaii album too!

Free the Bee (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

one would hope that someone like the Animal Collective (former deadheads themselves) could, but that'll never happen

it'll probably just be the usual Disco Biscuits elevator-core

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

BIG JIM

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

What about Col. Bruce Hampton and the Aquarium Rescue Unit? I should pull out the one CD of his I own. I wonder how it would sound now.

I d/led the new MMW because I liked some of their older stuff back in the high school days, and they were always the band that when jambanders said "but they're not really a jamband, they just get lumped in because we like them but they're actually not one! we have diverse taste! we also like Talking Heads", I came closest to believing them.

It sounded EXACTLY like the last album of theirs I bought (Combustication?) and was not interesting at all. I rarely delete mp3s, but for this I made an exception.

Comme personne (common_person), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

And by what affectionate nickname to we refer to the rabid Ween addicts who follow them around on tour?

briania (briania), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Weeners

Comme personne (common_person), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Weenies.

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

godweensatanites

brock (brock), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Why Ween? Couldn't it be anyone but Ween??

No, it won't be Ween, because you can't dance to Ween, and dirty hippies enjoy dancing.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

There's this really twisted bit of me that wonders ho one actually gets onto "the jam band circuit". as a performer, like.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

It will be Dave Matthews Band.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

pavaroti

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

moe. their four new live albums placed #3, #6 #21 and #32 on the newbury comics indie chart, and those are the people with money!

DMB still have to play europe and the like. jam bands are never very big in europe, so they get big in america.

and moe has the experience playing to that crowd and the funny name, etc.

david day (winslow), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

No one says "DMB" anymore - it's shortened to "Dave" now. And they've been more popular than Phish for years.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Sonic Youth.

snazz, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Widespread Panic is the least appropriate band name of all time. I've never in my life heard blander music.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

If Ween overtook the jam band pantheon, it would prove the existance of a loving, benevolent God.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Plus it would make like a million American hippies the butt of Ween's cosmic joke.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"a million American hippies the butt of Ween" = beeyooooteeful sound poem.

Guayaquil, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

people seem to think it can be umphreys' mcgee, a boring, wanky jamband from the midwest.

my dream is that it would be the disco biscuits but seeing as they only play 2 shows every 3 months, that ain't happening.

jimmy_tango, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

trancefusion takes time, jimmy.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Hopefull nobody will replace Phish and that little wandering gypsy capitalist microcosm that follows them around will have to disperse to other areas of the American cultural landscape. Personally, I hope they move on to tailgate parties outside of college football games.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd love it if !!! replaced Phish.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

not impossible, spencer.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

but unlikely.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

comets on fire

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The Big Wu (from MN) is starting to get pretty big i think....also Wookiefoot who seem to host alot of big festivals in campgrounds in the upper Midwest.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

God, hippies can't name bands for SHIT.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
Hey, I just downloaded a 3 disc live show of String Cheese Incident from Furthur. Wow, they sound like a not goofy Phish with an prediliction for more standard blues. Nice organ tones, too. I really like them! I'd heard a lot about them and Moe, but after hearing Moe I didn't bother with SCI because I really did not like Moe.

Big Eyes, Monday, 31 January 2005 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I could completely disregard String Cheese Incident alone for the amount of time they made us spend setting up idiotic stage decorations last year.

(i could name many more, but that would force me to dwell on something i don't ever really need to think about again)

lemin (lemin), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

SCI is actually pretty fun to watch live although I prefer Medeski, Martin and Wood.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

They boast a 10-album catalogue every bit as eclectic as Phish's and their three-hour shows have caught the eye of jam-band kids.

If any band, in all of time is anywhere near as eclectic as Ween, it sure as hell aint Phish.

David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

If any band, in all of time is anywhere near as eclectic as Ween, it sure as hell aint Phish.

It sort of is. Phish was pretty damn eclectic and I can't think of anyone else who would be moreso other than Ween.

Big Eyes, Monday, 31 January 2005 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

To borrow a line from Spinal Tap, Phish filled a much-needed void.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

SCI is actually pretty fun to watch live although I prefer Medeski, Martin and Wood.

*GASP* dan, noooooo......

lemin (lemin), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(about the SCI, that is)

lemin (lemin), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

God, hippies can't name bands for SHIT.

There was a diagram in SPIN a few months back: it was a food pyramid, and within each food group, it listed the horrifyingly many jam bands named after foods in that group: shit like String Cheese Incident, Deep-Fried Pickle Project, and many more.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Doesn't SCI's Lollapalooza headlining slot mean that they're the leading contenders to replace Phish? (Or does the fact that nobody bought tix to Lollapalooza negate this?)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Hating Phish is so passé. Please update your musical opinions and reboot.

God Ween Phish: The Oneness, Monday, 31 January 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm extremely frightened what the Ben & Jerry's flavor for Ween will be... Oh, wait, duh... like, I had to think more than 3 seconds about that one. (i hope they use the type of cheese used in cheesecake, though)

Chocolate and Cheese is a reference to fondue.

There is no doubt in my mind that, given the opportunity to have a Ben & Jerry's flavor dedicated to their band, the brothers Ween would insist that the ice cream be brown no matter what it tastes like.

martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

If any band, in all of time is anywhere near as eclectic as Ween, it sure as hell aint Phish.

right, because Ween play Beatles- (at the tip of the iceberg) derived pop-rock using Zappa- (at the tip of the iceberg) derived neo-classical composition styles with prog-psych-fusion jams, plus jazz, reggae, acoustic and electric bluegrass, four part a cappela barbershop harmony, Talking Heads-influenced 'funk', '80s Chicago blues, Zep- (tip of the iceberg) influenced hard rock and neo-metal, folk-rock, samba, faux-post-rock, etc. etc. etc., all with various improvisational techniques thrown in?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

they're pretty much the definition of eclecticism, for better or worse

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

DEATH TO JAM BANDS!

LONG LIVE WEEN!

Francisco Monar (fmonar), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Gabbneb, I was doing a mental comparison and for Ween I got as far as: the Beatles ('White Pepper'), bluegrass & country ('Golden Country Greats' or whatever), and a mush of psychedelic, lo-fi pop, rock and rap that is about as eclectic as Beck. Phish is both more and less varied because Phish may have more audible influences within their basic sound, but, other than a few songs on the White Tape, they didn't include lo-fi farting such as "Poop Ship Destroyer" for variety (and is lofi farting considered 'eclectic'?)

Big Eyes, Monday, 31 January 2005 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Phish's bass player get beaten up by bikers after he was found taking nudie pictures of a child?

I hope that's true, `cos it's a great story.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

'art pictures' ... get yer mind outta the gutter!

Big Eyes, Monday, 31 January 2005 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Big Eyes, go back and listen to the rest of Pure Guava. "Other than a few songs," Ween don't include lofi farting for variety either. gabbneb's pretty accurate (except that he seems to have left out Ween's very specifically Pink Floyd-influenced stuff (especially on the last record) and the debt they owe to Motorhead when they pull off the hard punk/rock stuff).

On the other hand I know that Phish fans will defend "Phish is the most eclectic of all" and other such statements in the face of just about any challenge. Ween detractors will refuse to acknowledge any view that makes Ween out to be anything other than a couple giggling puerile potheads with guitars. So if you're a big Phish fan or a Ween detractor, then nevermind. It's all good. ;)

martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 31 January 2005 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

forget the whole eclecticism thing, 'cause it's a red herring. the reason ween work on the jam-band circuit is because they actually do improvise/jam when they play live and they're quite good at it. they are a band that jams, and a band that jams well, making them a jam band in the most obvious way.

other bands that could do really well on the jam-band circuit if they wanted to: sonic youth. pavement/malkmus. the roots.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 31 January 2005 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

martin m.

I just meant that Ween regularly included throwaway tracks up until Chocolate & Cheese (AIDS?). Phish's "White Tape" wasn't even meant to be a real release. It was just some stuff they recorded in college. Any Phish-hater could say all of Phish's material is throwaway, but hopefully you get what I mean. That one Ween song about the pumpkin on GWS itself is more throwaway material than all of Phish's [intentional] throwaway material combined. Although I happen to know Phish loved Ween.

Big Eyes, Monday, 31 January 2005 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

and all of those bands, including Ween, are popular with subsets of the jam band audience. this article is seeking some band to fulfill a role as centerpiece of a touring scene. i don't see that happening.

gabbneb's pretty accurate (except that he seems to have left out Ween's very specifically

I was describing Phish, not Ween

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 31 January 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I was describing Phish, not Ween

Aye, I got that, but I was being stubborn and twisting your words because I'm a Ween fan and a Phish detractor! ;)

That one Ween song about the pumpkin on GWS

You mean the really noisy non-song on Pure Guava? That is most definitely throwaway, yes, and the story in it does mention pumpkins. I don't recall any songs on GWS about a pumpkin, though.

I disagree that Ween regularly included throwaway tracks on the pre Choc & Cheese records because I don't think there are any real throwaway tracks on GWS at all. There are arguably a few on The Pod (though part of the reason I like that album is because it's dark and tired and meandering just like having mononucleosis, which both Dean and Gene did when they recorded the bulk of it), and there is definitely one barrage of noise that isn't really a song on Pure Guava. (And I guess "Poop Ship Destroyer" counts as throwaway the way you've characterized it above, although when they do it live it's something else altogether...)

I think, really, this is the crux of the matter.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

GWS... throwaways... let's see... well, if the pumpkin song is on Pure Guava, which I trust you that it is, I can't really think of any throwaways, either. I can think of a bunch of songs that kind of suck after a few listens: got a weasel, fat lenny, never squeal on a pusher, old king cole, squelch the little weasel and probably a few others. But, for an album with about 20 songs, all anyone can really complain about is possibly poor editing (although I prefer to own all of these songs, so I'm glad they're on there). Many of my favorite Ween songs are on GWS an Pure Guava, but The Pod in general was a sucky album of mediocre, but not throwaway, material. Pure Guava might have the most throwaway songs of them all, but maybe this is balanced by the few brilliant pop gems Little Daisies, Big Jilm, Don't Get Too Close Too My Fantasy an Touch My Tooter. Stuff like Little Birdy teeters on the edge of awesomeness and stupidity and I suppose that is really what makes them so great (besides truly excellent songwriting and musical ability when they feel like utilizing it). I think Ween are more modern art and Phish is more traditional somehow, although White Pepper is maybe more hippy traditionalist than anything Phish put out(?).

Big Eyes, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)


a lot of people i know are completely fucking nuts over the disco biscuts, and i guess they havent been mentioned yet. I saw them once, it was ok, i was too high on various things to really remember that much.

JD from CDepot, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Probably some Roving Pat Robertson style ministry. These kids just need someone to worship.

Sandy, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Phish could never write something as gloriously, twistedly evil as "Spinal Meningitis". You cannot compare Phish and Ween.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

SPINAL MENINGITIS?! What about Flies On My Dick?! I just don't think that was Phish's "thing," but I'm sure they could have pulled off total insanity. They did a good job with antisocial weirdness (Mike's Song, My Friend, Weigh...)

Big Eyes, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

It's settled.

Barenaked Ladies it is.

donut christ (donut), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"a lot of people i know are completely fucking nuts over the disco biscuts"

eh. it's mostly 1,000 people on the east coast(myself included). most of us are completely fuckin nuts though.
it's nice that they could sellout and play a spectacular show at the hammerstein this NYE but no way they ever fill a room that size again, what with their lack of touring and sammy(their drummer) leaving.

jimmy_tango, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)


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