Dave Q on the new Heart album

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(helps if you like Led Zep, especially III, oh and Nirvana too)

(also, good reviews by Douglas Wolk on the Ex, and Nizzle Rizzaggle on Soozle And the Bizzles, too... but of course... AAAAAH DAVE DAVE DAVE)

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Nizzle Rizzaggle on Soozle And the Bizzles

Oh yeah, that does run this week! But yes, Dave Q = THE MAN. AGAIN.

"I Need the Rain" ("Going to California" + "Tangerine" + the intro from "Unsatisfied" [i.e., "Hard Luck Woman"] + a vocal note at 1:01 like the delivery of the words "second" and "moment" in the choruses of Heart's Bernie Taupin–penned 1985 hit "Thank You Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin")

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hello Moonglow" (This features Nancy on lead but enmeshed in a complicated vocal arrangement, Dennis crawling from the briny deep into Karen Carpenter's golf bag saying come on, Miss World, let's get high a while)

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

You're too quick to praise Dave Q - some of his stuff is amusing but this Heart piece is ehhhhhh ....

― shimper, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It is more calm on the face of it. That makes the bizarro all the more distinct.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

it's his first overtly quixotic piece, as far as all the led zep song math goes. I'm still in awe over the Dennis Wilson related bits however.

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe my favourite so far.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

would you say dave q is the "critic's critic"?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i think a lot of people fall into that category

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

would you say dave q is the "critic's critic"?

in that you would have to be a critic to catch half the references and therefore think it was funny? probably.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

so noncritics don't own led zeppelin albums?

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

actually I think noncritics don't own heart albums, anymore

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

it's his first overtly quixotic piece, as far as all the led zep song math goes. I'm still in awe over the Dennis Wilson related bits however.
-- PrintScreen/SysReq (scrol...), September 22nd, 2004.

I like the piece, but I don't get the use of the term "quixotic." Please explain?

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a typo. I meant to type "quizotic"

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

late Beach Boy Dennis Wilson's solo bow, Pacific Ocean Blue
The Story of O
Hope Sandoval in a Richard Rush movie
"Thank You Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin"
Karen Carpenter's golf bag
April Wine
"Almost Paradise"
Boyd Rice–type background screams
"Heart Shaped Box", "Scentless Apprentice"
Pat Benatar's "This Sensual Woman's Work World"
"Greasy Heart"
Michael Schenker
"Whole Lotta Kirstie 'Dianetics vs. diuretics' Alley" vocal

noncritics are all over this, yeah

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Very enjoyable -- credit is due Matos for giving Dave the freedom to do his thing.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

karen carpenter and kirstie alley? never heard of 'em.

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

and who the fuck are these "beach boys"?

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

my bad--i guess i should have a better sense of what hope sandoval in a richard rush movie sounds like, or a dead beach boy in a dead carpenter's golf bag. yeah, it's funny, but it's a record review in the same way that 'we didn't start the fire' is 20th century history.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

are writers obligated to write in a style that noncritics are supposed to get?

If not, does that mean the noncritics are not going to enjoy it as much? If they don't enjoy it, does that mean this is working against the publisher who put out the article?

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

sounds like Hope Sandoval in a Richard Rush movie and I am...OUTTA HERE!

http://www.cardmagnets.com/SNL/129.jpg

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

manthony OTMAWTCD

("on the money and wins the ceramic dalmation.")

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"Critic" is a red herring here. Getting dave q's obscure jokes doesn't require being a music critic, they require having some in-depth knowledge of popular culture. So it's basically criticism aimed at people who consider themselves to be "in-the-know" as opposed to the casual music fan. Ain't nothin' wrong with that.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

n/a sez what I was about to.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

manthony's point (I think) being that sometimes you can get away with saying anything, but if you deliver it just right, it still works -- and works on a mainstream and "in-the-know" level.

It's the whole phenomenon with MST3K too. Sometimes, you have no idea what the bots or Mike/Joel are referencing in a quip, but you still laugh.

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

My point was that he's like Dennis Miller.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Has Dave Q ever used "cha cha" in a piece?

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave Q is the Dennis Miller XTC!!!

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

(sorry)

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

no offense taken.

He's also like a Richard Meltzer who thinks music died in '88.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the author obviously writes well and knows music. i just don't think that wildly spraying references against a wall is very helpful for people who don't get the references. and yes, there are lots of zeppelin/beach boys/etc fans, but maybe the average bloke isn't going to know carouselambra or side 2 of zep iii. why limit the audience's understanding?

many x's. okay, n/a makes sense. it still sounds like hipsters comparing dick size, though (no offense).

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I was reading this old Mark Smith Melody Maker article where he just says a load of random shit about countries he's been in recently and it reminded me of the DQ stuff I've read quite a lot. Especially in that a lot of things I don't quite understand made me laugh.

― Michael Philip Philip Philip Annoyman (Ferg), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

from now on i think the weekly should only review albums readers already own, so they don't get confused.

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

this stuff may not be for everybody, but it's better than most reviews out there by being funny and/or/therefore worthwhile to SOMEBODY.

I'd rather hipsters compare dick size with actual descriptive girth than with blank-adjective heavy praise of "the real thing" or "innovation."

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

He's also like a Richard Meltzer who thinks music died in '88.

From the Meltzer I read, I totally disagree with this. Granted, I've read mostly the bitter don't-give-a-fuck Meltzer, and nothing Dave Q has written suggests "don't-give-a-fuck" at all.

perhaps i misunderstand the purpose/audience of the seattle weekly. i think it's safe to say that this review would not serve the purposes of, say, the new yorker or amg. if the seattle weekly is primarily for folks with a deeper musical background, then fine.
the author obviously writes well and knows music. i just don't think that wildly spraying references against a wall is very helpful for people who don't get the references. and yes, there are lots of zeppelin/beach boys/etc fans, but maybe the average bloke isn't going to know carouselambra or side 2 of zep iii.

The purpose of the Seattle Weekly, Stranger, any weekly paper is to make money via ads, which pay for the content and salaries of the employees. If the content generates more readers, the advertisers are more happy, etc. and gets more advertisers to hop on board. HOW that content generates readers is what differentiates papers' styles, in many areas.. music, food, theatre, politics, etc.

The Seattle weekly's readership is ostensibly an "older crowd" than that of the Stranger. (quotes used to blur the term "older", not to be sarcastic)... and the Seattle Weekly has run Meltzer's latest columns before. So, there's always been a sense of expecting some music geek/crits reading the Seattle Weekly's music section.. at least given the last few music editors, including the current one -- I think.

why limit the audience's understanding?

This is just an article. How is this limited the audience's brain capacity? That doesn't make sense.

Should music sections come with mini music encyclopedias every issue? All pieces have to make some assumptions about the audience. Some take it to that Dennis Miller level (which was a great reference, Manthony) and can get away it. Maybe you disagree Dave Q has it, but I think he does.

many x's. okay, n/a makes sense. it still sounds like hipsters comparing dick size, though (no offense).

What kind of large dicked hipster would be reviewing Heart in 2004 unironically?

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually don't think the references are that useful to enjoying Dave Q's pieces. Even when I DO understand what he means (maybe 35% of the time?), I often think what he is saying with his references is a bit of a stretch. But he is always funny and always interesting and always inspired.

The idea that you have to "get" all the references a writer is making in order to enjoy his or her work is a rather limiting way to read. Getting the references is sort of a fun peripheral game to me, but I enjoy his stuff as much (more? perhaps? no?) when I don't know what he's talking about. I am not comparing him to Pynchon here, but, yeah, I kind of am.

Dave Q is brilliant because he has a point of view and an inspired way of telling us what that POV is. Not because (maybe in spite of?)the fact that he sometimes saturation bombs us with references.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah queen doesn't get cranky about it like Meltzer does, print, but his reference points and passions seem to stop around the death of pop-metal that would say its name (though his thread in praise of Limp Bizkit remains my favorite piece haha). I'm talking about his writing style, which Matos sliced'n'diced to fine effect on this one.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

the good writers of today were raised with the notion that commercial cockfarmery is the standard, so they won't waste their breath going into Noise Boy railings about it. It was part of the culture when they got there.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Also (again based on the Meltzer I read), Meltzer is totally proud to shed absolutely nothing on the band/artist he's reviewing or care, whereas -- albeit sometimes in an overly obfuscated way -- a Dave Q piece always shows off that its giving its 100% into it.

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

If the average bloke doesn't know side 2 of LZ3, is he really worth writing for? I mean, really?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(Do not debate that point.)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ahhh but, print, both are blatantly aware and seemingly indifferent to the fact that only the elite are invited to their respective Dada and uber-nerd parties. And if you read something like Meltzer's Sticky Fingers review in Whore, he was more like Queen before he decided nothing mattered except that he was talking.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

[haha, insert hate mail to Weekly on Jess's piece on latest Led Zep live release here.]

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

compared to meltzer queen has no real revolutionary agenda, which I think fits with the difference between noise boys and modern folks. they both drop a million ref bombs but queen only gets bugged when the Darkness distract people from what's great musically or something. Rock as cultural force is kind of a joke now.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

critics know their place today.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

(i'm not saying this is good or bad. just saying it)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

ahhh but, print, both are blatantly aware and seemingly indifferent to the fact that only the elite are invited to their respective Dada and uber-nerd parties.

I think Scott's excellent take on Q above kinda counters this, though.

And without getting into personal details of every single music critic acquaintance I know, I'm quite sure each knows his/her "place" painfully, given the state of the economy of the world, especially.

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay! Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"Rock as cultural force is kind of a joke now."

Well, it is what it is, but this still sounds a little cynical, Anthony.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

The Led Zep references (Heartsong A=LZ X+Y+Z) are *just* clear/tantalizing enough that I just may go consult my LZs, or maybe not, but he's got me thinking about doing so, and it's never a bad idea. He also reminds me of my own most recent LZ reference point: the Bad Plus at their best (just about all of current album)suggest something like: Vince Guaraldi, of "Peanuts"TV theme immortality, plus/times--the LZ rhythm section!? Piano very melodically riffy,catchy but kinda grungey as much as funky not a bright, lush expected "jazz piano trio" sound at all. The Neal Geraldo/Pat Benetar references remind me that they, like Heart, recently played CMT's cross-generic"Crossroads": Pat + her hostess Martina McBride= foxier, shriller Judds; Heart + Wynonna Judd= Hurricane Ivan's Weather Girls (see, cos Ivan was and maybe still is pretty powerful, as my busted foot keeps re-broadcasting, butt Weather Girls, of "It's Raining Men," big/powerfu enough to keep broadcasting *in* Ivan, while herniating him). Anyway,speaking of kneejerk referencing and other rockcrit shtick, this thread is about to turn into one of those ilx feuds almost as boring as the latter-day Meltzer, so, for a different take: www.music-critic.com/rock/heart_jupitersdarling.htm

― Don A, Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Don, thank you.. that was a fun review to read. I don't necessarily agree with all the parts especially re: 80s Heart.. and the big-upping the Pacific Northwest part by Cibula was slightly over the top, but it at least gives some idea what the album might be like to someone casually familiar with the band.

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"almost as boring as the latter-day Meltzer"

I was just watching the Rhymes with Seltzer video last night. Still find some of what he does to be great.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Rock as cultural force is kind of a joke now

Well, it's definitely still a cultural force, and a major one. It's just not viewed as so much of a 'revolutionary' political force. Maybe it used to be seen as more of an oppositional cultural force and now it's more of a mainstream cultural force?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 23 September 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

bingo.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 23 September 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Print, I asked Matt about the Heart-inspiration of NW 80s (I'd always asumed that that Kurt etc saw Sonics etc. as having raised the bar for local bands), and he replied: "I think that Heart A) did in part inspire many not-too-similar-sounding NW bands, and B) made sure there was a room for acoustix in the hardosity, aa well as C) making femaleness important to rockers. Y'know like Mudhoney." No, I don't know, but Heart's female rockingness was not repeat not that comon in sucessful sector of the Biz back in 70s/early-mid 80s ("Time" stil did Women In Rock covers when things were slow; ditto "Stone," for that matter. So their success did help nail down the concept for a lot of aspiring rockers and their handlers. Tim, I trust your judgement, so it's good to know that Meltzer is still good sometimes; any links? But you other guys must be really young and innocent to think that rockwriting was ever "outside" the mainstream! Sure, there were writers with courage and integrity, still are. And I'll always love Meltzer's Altamont piece for being so crucially contra the instant mountain of hype: The End of the Innocence boohoo on one had, or SEE SATAN'S FLOWERMASK HAS NOW BEEN RIPPED AWAY on the other: really, 1969/1970 was a burnt cusp for me and everybody I kew and everybody in the headlines (and a cast of millions elsewhere), and Meltzer stood aside just so, let some oxygen into this one little graffti hairline he'd made in the Spectacle. But he, like most of the other rock writers we know about now, wrote for mass media, spectacle-related publicatios (incl the ones who weren't very sucessful, which incl ones that just barely paid Meltzer and Lester and Chuck [and Chuck can tell you just how late some of those checks were), with the AeroKiss features, over and over and over). Plus, Meltzer write songs for BOC, not exactly an underground band, although they did have their injoke aspect, to put it mildly. And I get the impression that RM's always had very mixed feelings about this involement, that it's abig part of his inner and public turmoil.Title and contents of A WHORE JUST LIKE THE REST just some of the more recent evidence/effects.

― Don A, Thursday, 23 September 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

my brother gave me a copy of the recent meltzer aging book, but i couldn't read it. plus, the copy he gave me was kinda smooshed. then i went to the thrift store a couple weeks back and they had a copy there that was smooshed IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. someone is smooshing meltzer's book at the remainder factory!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 23 September 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ILM's Dave Q worship has always baffled me. And yes, I do like Zep and get all the references. Don't get the point of the lead about the cassette tho. Actually usually don't understand 85% of what he says, references or no references. And isn't saying x=y+Z like the laziest form of criticism? Sort of like a Hollywood pitch meeting? Seems like a nice guy tho.

― bugged out, Thursday, 23 September 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

There are a lot of links on this unofficial Meltzer web site.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Aerokiss covers, just barely paying bills, etc.: I meant to cite CREEM specically, but there were a lot of others."Isn't sayingx=y+zthe laziest form of criticism?" Can be, but also justified when songs are evidently put together that way, consciously of not. Sure, there's more to crit than telegraphing refs and more to heart than LZ, which is why I posted the other; no one perfect approach, especially considering Age of Blender word limits, lemme tell you, that's a big factor in today's profeesional rockwriting, and wasn't so big back in the Golden Age Or even, when was it? A year ago, in Voiceland, when the Clampdown landed? Seems a lot longer...I kinda like having to try to focus so hard, but it's very tricky; easy to give up too soon, to screw off and blame it on the limit. But still.

― Don, Friday, 24 September 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

oy, the limit. you don't wanna know... i think i need a writing therapist. i don't wanna say fuck everybody, but then i get frustrated and i say fuck everybody. i feel like a big bridge burner and then my stomach hurts.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

email me scott, we'll talk about this. my fees are reasonable.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

So, however Dave Q may feel about the word limit, I'm sure it's a facotr in his choice of approach (Seattle Weekly is a Village Voice Media publication, in case anybody deson't get how ref to Voice word limit ties in with SW). Thanks, Tim. I always have to will myselfto checking recent RM, but I will. Oh, meant to say that Q got methinking not only about re-checking my own Zep tapes, but intrested in the Heart album. So now I'm hoping somebody will send me the promo, so mission accomplished, Dave (I think he did mean it to be *that* favorable a review, after all). And I've always wanted to hear Dennis Wilson's PACIFIC OCEAN BLUE. Does he mean they're sounding like Dennis now, with or without Zep? Probably not, but wooden it be nice.

― Don A, Friday, 24 September 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

His invocation of Dennis Wilson's friendly ghost might well come from Byron Coley's Voice image of bloated Dennis bobbing up, to give thumbs up to ROVA or other's improv in the park (or maybe it was in another BC, but thumbs up it was). Which might have come from that letter to CREEM, citing the mellow Michelin/Michuocan cloud o' Big Brother Bangs (then still living),rising enthusiatically all round the spinning Stooges platter of letter-writer (who was he or she, really?) My portion of Dave-autopsy now complete.

― Don, Friday, 24 September 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally, I think Dave Queen sucks - his writing is better suited to a blog than a newspaper. He's writing to amuse himself and about 3 other people, yet not doing his readership any service. Rarely are his reviews illuminating or even that funny.

― chewie, Friday, 24 September 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally, I think Some Musician sucks - the songs are better suited for a house party than a club or theater. The musician's writing to amuse him/herself and about 3 other people, yet not doing his/her audience any service. Rarely are his/her music illuminating or even that fun.

― PrintScreen/SysReq, Friday, 24 September 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Voice and SW word counts have bubkes to do w/one another. VV = no more than 900 words in the music section. SW = however many words we want.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 24 September 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Don A is my favorite poster right now.

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

shockah

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

He's a good sort, he is.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Matmos, I was taken out of school for plowing time with they did the arithmatic. Sorry to shortchange your fine section. But, it sure looks short, lead review (is the ever-excellent Wolk's Ex a review with backstory and quotes, or feature) aside. Of course I lost my glasses too. In other news, I finally get: Nancy Wilson, Ann Wilson, Denis--Wilson! Did he record with his pre-death girlfriend Christine McVie, or just give her a hard time? Probably just the latter, alas. However! I just got a tape from Richard Reigel, incl. "Heart" by the 2 of Clubs, ca. 1966. RR notes: "Cincinnati vocal duo, had a huge local hit with their 'Walk Tall' just before Xmas '66. 'Heart' is a petula Clark tune also covered by the Remains in its day." Sounds like a Phil Spector girl-group-to-Righteous-Sisters move too late(Phil l lost his sense of timing pretty quick amidst British Invasion), but swept up by (like a couple of my schoolmates did) an Everly-Sisters-to-folk-rock move. Whether the Wilson sisters ever heard it, sounds like something they might have based their sound on 9sounds better than they do, actually, not so shrill--but, it's only one song; maybe they just got lucky, in the pre-naughty 00s sense). Hey! maybe Wilson sisters + Dennis Wilson= they sound like the Beach Boys "sister" group, the Honeys/American Spring? Dennis did write some of their better songs. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave

― Don, Friday, 24 September 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

haha you fit right in, don!

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 24 September 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I never said the section wasn't/isn't short sometimes, just that I have a lot more freedom w/word counts than Chuck does. And sometimes you see it and sometimes you don't. No offense was taken by me.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 24 September 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a lot more freedom w/word counts than Chuck does

i've a feeling this is off-limits, but from a curious non-critic, how come?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 24 September 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Matos' editor is afeared of his mighty package.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Saturday, 25 September 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

How could I mess up Richard's name, of all people: He! is! ah! R*I*E*G*E*L* (Back to school, fool, it's almost harvest time.)

― Don, Saturday, 25 September 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

because the Voice's redesign dictated that sections (music, books, etc.) could have pieces that ran no longer than 900 words. SW didn't get a redesign of that nature, and hopefully we won't, though never say never. this is a topic that's been discussed on this board many times, nothing verboten about it.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

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