MORTAAAALLLL KOMBAAAAAAT!!!!!
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jacob (Jacob), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― peter $.., Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)
Look, I'm not an America First-er. Brittish white people played the blues ten times better better than American white people, and it's a goddamned American idiom.
I think people hate on Jay-Z specifically BECAUSE he raps about partying and girls and whatnot, so people assume that he doesn't do "intelligent rap". But if you listen to his rhyme schemes, his flow, his multi-layered metaphors he trumps almost any rapper.
― Hurting, Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― peter $.., Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― peter $.., Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)
I didn't mean the two were connected. I was just disclaiming any general prejudice about whethere British artists can do an American thing better than Americans. In the case of blues and blues rock, they could. In Hip-Hop, they have yet to touch Americans.
I'm glad you respect Jay-Z's rhymes, but a lot of people still don't, especially a lot of the indie kids I hear shouting Dizzee and The Streets.
― hurting, Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)
Isn't the second line "I only talk about jewels"?
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 25 September 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)
WTF? Name a *single* Streets/Dizzee fan on ILM who doesn't like Jay-Z at all!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 26 September 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)
He tends to spit out his vernacular so ragga-garage perfunctory and his approach reminds me of all that early Shut Up & Dance stuff. Dizzee is only "unique" by his patois-by-association.
Having tried to understand WTF he is on about, he just comes across as a complete cop-out with no airs or graces in style, dialect, prose or delivery.
At least Jay-Z does possess a deft semblance of rhyming skills, some of the best put-down lines, metaphorically witty wordplay, though let down only by his purposeful dead-pan delivery when he's doing the pop thing.
Uh-oh, better go ... can hear the sound of crossbow fire from here!
Byzee!
― herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)
A semblance?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)
I thought we'd established on another thread that only ILM likes these groups. And I could just as easily say "name one other person in real life who..." etc. but he'd probably just say "this guy I know called joe."
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)
im legal may i stress to the fool for the sake of strident intelligence go ahead check my files all day bit of criminal damage and T-D-A might be a little bit of violent disorder but i aint never been locked away got some mates that have been convicted yer so what it's the hand life dealt them we werent blessed with the systems T-L-C government shoulda tried ta help them any law breaker aint tryna hide it as for the sentence aint tryna ride it stop that so i could do this im legit ya may as well kiss my A-S-S P-L-E-A-S-E im L-E-G-I-T
But really, with DR it's all about the DELIVERY not the lyrics...
― Jacob (Jacob), Sunday, 26 September 2004 06:54 (twenty-one years ago)
doesn't have anything to do with it but even then I don't think this is true. The form was taken on but something else, and not necessarily better either, was made out of it. Same with this stuff.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 26 September 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― donruba, Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)
Er ... me?
Admittedly I know a lot of jay-z, but whatever I hear strikes me as the blandest of the bland.
I swear I recently heard some track where he says : "I'm a writer not a biter".Was that meant to be ironic or something?
― phil jones (interstar), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 26 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)
I like them both, though.
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)