TS: Dizzee Rascal Vs. Jay-Z!

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And seriously whats with all these Euros hating on Jay-Z? They just wish Dizzee Rascal were as cool.
-- djdee2005 (ddrak...), September 25th, 2004.


MORTAAAALLLL KOMBAAAAAAT!!!!!

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean you can't like both?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

not on a Taking Sides, natch! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

2004: Dizzee
1996: Jay-Z (cos Dizzee was pre-pubescent)

Jacob (Jacob), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

jay bcs dizzee is cornier

peter $.., Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

1996-2001 Jay-Z
2002-? Dizzee

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

That's kind of like asking "Benzino vs. Eminem." Dizzee can't even compete. He's minor league.

Look, I'm not an America First-er. Brittish white people played the blues ten times better better than American white people, and it's a goddamned American idiom.

I think people hate on Jay-Z specifically BECAUSE he raps about partying and girls and whatnot, so people assume that he doesn't do "intelligent rap". But if you listen to his rhyme schemes, his flow, his multi-layered metaphors he trumps almost any rapper.

Hurting, Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Dizzee's head is a better shape.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Dom is not allowed to talk about Jay-Z, unless he's writing clever little articles on Stylus. Which are funny. Even if they're dead wrong ;)

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

hurting you can't be serious. what does the blues remark, valid or not, have to do with anything, much less the benzino em analogy which basically doesn't make sense in the first place.
now your jay remark. people, even those white, stopped thinking that after the blueprint when he said all those things like "motherfuckers say that i'm foolish / i only talk about jews / do you fools listen to music or do you just skim thru it? / see i'm influenced by the ghetto you ruined / that same dude you gave nothin' / i made somethin' doin' what i do thru and thru / and i give you the news with a twist of it's just his ghetto point-of-view / the renegade you been afraid / (of/i) penetrate pop culture / bring'em a lot closer to the block / where they pop toasters / and live with they moms / got dropped roasters from botched robberies / niggaz crotched over / mommy's knocked up cuz she wasn't watched over / knocked down by some clown when child support knocked / no, he's not around / now how that sound to ya / jot it down / i bring you thru the ghetto without ridin' round / hidin' down, duckin' strays / from frustrated youth stuck in they ways / just read a magazine that fucked up my day / how you rate music that thugs with nothin relate to it? / i help them see they way thru it, not you / can't step in my pants / can't walk in my shoes / bet everything you're / you'll lose your tie and your shirt"

peter $.., Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

the line breaks are way fucked up, but that's against that stylus piece too.
"dizzee's head is in better shape" Note this is a prompt for someone to post some raw dizzee lyrics since i can't understand what he's saying, ever

peter $.., Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"hurting you can't be serious. what does the blues remark, valid or not, have to do with anything, much less the benzino em analogy which basically doesn't make sense in the first place."

I didn't mean the two were connected. I was just disclaiming any general prejudice about whethere British artists can do an American thing better than Americans. In the case of blues and blues rock, they could. In Hip-Hop, they have yet to touch Americans.

I'm glad you respect Jay-Z's rhymes, but a lot of people still don't, especially a lot of the indie kids I hear shouting Dizzee and The Streets.

hurting, Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you people never heard of the Wee Papa Girl Rappers?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"motherfuckers say that i'm foolish / i only talk about jews / do you fools listen to music or do you just skim thru it?

Isn't the second line "I only talk about jewels"?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahhaha! I hope not.

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha Jay's an anti-semite now?! He's probably not getting those jewels from jacob then....

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 25 September 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Beyonce 'kicking' a fire hydrant vs. 'sexy beefeaters'

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 25 September 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm glad you respect Jay-Z's rhymes, but a lot of people still don't, especially a lot of the indie kids I hear shouting Dizzee and The Streets."

WTF? Name a *single* Streets/Dizzee fan on ILM who doesn't like Jay-Z at all!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 26 September 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

But did he say ILM specifically?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Dizzee is a stupifying, rambling mess - period!

He tends to spit out his vernacular so ragga-garage perfunctory and his approach reminds me of all that early Shut Up & Dance stuff. Dizzee is only "unique" by his patois-by-association.

Having tried to understand WTF he is on about, he just comes across as a complete cop-out with no airs or graces in style, dialect, prose or delivery.

At least Jay-Z does possess a deft semblance of rhyming skills, some of the best put-down lines, metaphorically witty wordplay, though let down only by his purposeful dead-pan delivery when he's doing the pop thing.

Uh-oh, better go ... can hear the sound of crossbow fire from here!

Byzee!

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

At least Jay-Z does possess a deft semblance of rhyming skills

A semblance?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

... "semantics" then?

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"But did he say ILM specifically?"

I thought we'd established on another thread that only ILM likes these groups. And I could just as easily say "name one other person in real life who..." etc. but he'd probably just say "this guy I know called joe."

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 26 September 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)


Well, for the sake of whoever wants to criticise dizzee's lyrics on the basis of his not being able to understand them (wtf?):

im legal may i stress
to the fool for the sake of
strident intelligence
go ahead check my files all day
bit of criminal damage and T-D-A
might be a little bit of violent disorder
but i aint never been locked away
got some mates that have been convicted
yer so what it's the hand life dealt them
we werent blessed with the systems T-L-C
government shoulda tried ta help them
any law breaker aint tryna hide it
as for the sentence aint tryna ride it
stop that so i could do this
im legit ya may as well kiss my
A-S-S P-L-E-A-S-E im L-E-G-I-T


But really, with DR it's all about the DELIVERY not the lyrics...

Jacob (Jacob), Sunday, 26 September 2004 06:54 (twenty-one years ago)

'Brittish white people played the blues ten times better better than American white people, and it's a goddamned American idiom.'

doesn't have anything to do with it but even then I don't think this is true. The form was taken on but something else, and not necessarily better either, was made out of it. Same with this stuff.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 26 September 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone please explain why these two artist should be compared at all? Did someone just pick two names out of a hat?

donruba, Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"WTF? Name a *single* Streets/Dizzee fan on ILM who doesn't like Jay-Z at all!"

Er ... me?

Admittedly I know a lot of jay-z, but whatever I hear strikes me as the blandest of the bland.

I swear I recently heard some track where he says : "I'm a writer not a biter".Was that meant to be ironic or something?

phil jones (interstar), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

he is a writer, for himself and others. his 'bites' have always struck me as rather acknowledged.

m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah its the other way around "I'm not a biter i'm a writer."

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 26 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Dizzee's flow and fire PWN Jay-Z's entire life, including the part involving Beyonce's ass.

I like them both, though.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Dizzee Rascal and Beyonce's ass, that is.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't tell if I'm impressed or disappointed that this thread isn't 300 posts long already.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll add another one. My vote goes to Dizzee. I don't mind Jay-z, but I get kinda bored with it.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

People hating on Dizze's rhymes need to hear "Jezebel".

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 September 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)


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