Pavement:Classic or Dud

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Quirk-out kings of cult US rock or over-rated Fall rip-offs? Personally, I love 'em to bits.

Michael Bourke, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I do realize that they can't swing, that Stephen Malkmus can't sing and that they could lay off the irony a little, but they're so much fun that I don't care. Pretty much everything up to Wowee Zowee is classic. Brighten The Corners I found a bit drab, so I didn't get Terror Twilight. Am I missing much ? Anyway, a Classic band, and "Father To A Sister Of Thought" is freakin' gorgeous.

Patrick, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I am not surprised to discover stevie's new record sounds exactly like pavement, except maybe "the Hook", which sounds like a slightly blues- funkier version of Pavement. Slanted & Enchanted was pretty much where it started and stopped for me. The songs, even Stevie agrees, all started to sound "the same"... "started to" or "always did"?

I can sum up Pavement with a few words: run-on sentences, inside-jokes (which, unfortunately are never explained), sloppy jams hovering somewhere between self-mocking angst and slacker apathy culminating in complacency.

Something about them was unique at one time, but not terribly more unique than several other bands of the same era. And, is it just me, or does Steve have NO RANGE?!

That being said, I think Pavement are okay for summer music ("Summer babe"...) but Steve's starting to wear out his welcome in my eardrums.

john yonderboy, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

It says something about them, or me, or this site, or all three, that I was absolutely stone-cold positive we'd had this thread before.

I like the ballads, I think - "Here", "We Dance". Ask me in ten years.

Tom, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Actually no, Patrick, I feel "Terror Twilight" was where the rot set in but it still has some class songs on it eg. "Billie","Major Leagues"..Its funny that you mention that they are great fun because I always feel their music is full of those lovely cuddlesome FUN moments.....check the "Woo-woo" harmonies in "Trigger Cut"...the anthemic scarf waving chorus of "We are underused" and that line in "Billie"..."Black widows are seen as stigmatised beings who ought to have a second chance/and hurricanes spin like debutantes into a trance"...I could go on forever..

Michael Bourke, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Best experience I've ever had with them was the collection of B-sides that I made from my friend Brian's collection on a CDR. Worked better than *any* of the real albums. I have no idea what that might mean.

I appreciate the Fall's virulence, to hark back to an obvious predecessor, to Pavement's mere quirkiness. Compared to the bile Mark E. can drop from his lips, the endlessly quoted putdowns from "Range Life" seem completely wimpy and pointless.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

you know what was a killer pavement tune? 'robyn turned 26', from the grand royal groovebox comp a while back. it's like they decided to out-grand royal all the grand royal artists on their own album. brilliant.

ethan padgett, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Zee Pavement, veering into sub-classic territory. They were good and they alway surprised me in that I always liked their latest record, up till 'Brighten the Corners' after that i really lost interest. My favorite is "Wowee Zowee", it has the best ratio of pure melody and cool minimal krautrockin tunes. They were a rather boring live band after they fired Plant Maaaaaan.

Omar, Tuesday, 27 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like 'em. Never really heard the Fall. The last album they made wasn't so great. The Stephen Malkmus solo album is good. bye.

jel, Tuesday, 27 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I've never understood all the fuss about Pavement. The press have always liked Malkmus and the fact that he gives good interview seems to obscure the often dull music.

"Slanted.." is the only album that I play regularly, and I admit it's good, as is half of "Wowee Zowee". They CAN be almost great ("Summer Babe", "Here", "Father to a Sister of a Thought"), but seem content to pad out releases with half-arsed Pavement-by-numbers material. Or should that be Fall-by-numbers?

I lost interest by "Brighten the Corners" when it was clear that they could only do one thing, and we're probably going to do it for ever.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 27 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic. Pavemnet 4 ever MAN!

JM, Tuesday, 27 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
For one thing, some have taken (and still seem to take) Pavement too seriously. They are not meant to be (nor ever were meant to be) some sort of generational anthem band (ala Nirvana or Pearl Jam or Blur or whatever). They are just a bunch of kooks (funny slackers) who can toss off one hell of a catchy pop/rock tune that happen to come out of the 90's.

They make me bob my head and laugh and feel good - which is the whole of the point of Pavement (as far as I see it). And...job well-done.

'Crooked Rain, Crooken Rain' is simply brilliant in it's slackerisms. And is in my top 3 (maybe even THE) summer album list. Already have listened to it many times this very summer period and will surely listen to it many more times (as I have for past summers). It still hasn't lost it's charms on me (not come summer time, at least). Last summer, a younger cousin of mine got married. And...I played 'Crooked Rain' loud as I drove there and back as the perfect soundtrack to all that has been slacked in my young, but getting old, life. Worked perfectly for that "I'm 30. What do I have to show for it?" mood when you just want to say "Fuck it all. I'm going driving in search of some far off land of fairies and hot cocoa." (fine, maybe that's just me, but)

'Woowee Zowee' is good in many spots (nix the forced "punk" tracks). And Malkmus solo album is a solid summer album (for the most part). The rest...I don't care too much for, but. 'Crooked Rain' makes up for the rest alone.

michael g. breece, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

crooked rain, and wowee zowee are very good albums, but i'm wondering how well they've dated. i don't play these records anymore, maybe i don't connect so much with them now. i'm finding this, also with mercury rev (up to see you on the other side - deserters songs was appaling anyway), flaming lips, stereolab, tindersticks etc etc. these were favourite albums for such a long time, and i still think, objectively, they're great albums. so, why do i never play them anymore?

gareth, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

You've changed, duh.

Josh, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
Has anyone heard Spiral Stairs' new project, Preston School of Industry? I find it superior to Malkmus' solo debut, but below the best of Pavement. Very enjoyable listen, and for some reason, I detected some Silver Jews in it, which is odd given that it's Malkmus that worked with them.

alex in montreal, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

haven't heard it, no. but isn't preston school of industry a very '96 name, sound like the sort of band who would have supported stereolab and been very pleased about their silver apples records. they might have been quite good though

gareth, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

*I'm* very pleased about the one Silver Apples record I own. If "Preston School of Industry" sounds '96 it's the obvious Ooop North-ness: at least it makes *me* think of *that* Preston ...

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

My fave Pavement moment (besides all of S&E and Crooked Rain (does sign of cross)) is B-side of "Rattled by the Rush", where they do their best Jon Spencer Blues Explosion ("False Skorpion"). It's still incontrovertibly Pavement, like they're in a police lineup with a fake moustache, desperately trying to "blow" it back into place. It's the kind of thing the Stones did constantly. Trying to sound like someone else, and failing = being your own hairy self. The Spencerisms are hilarious: "I ain't no woman... I ain't no woman... I'm a... MAYunnn... check me out!") The other B song on that 45, "So Easily Fooled", I like better than the single prob. cause it sounds like it belongs on Crooked Rain... so did I say that I liked Pavement?

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The Preston School of Industry is an abandoned reform school in Northern California. Merle Haggard has a PSOI tattoo on his arm. I thought the Stephen Malkmus album was ok, not as good as the Pavement albums but enjoyable all the same. I'll definitely check out the PSOI's new album tho. Great title too-"All this sounds gas".

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Thanks. I see.

It being Preston, Lancashire would have fitted Pavement's rather tiresome Anglophile image, I suppose.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Dreadful garbage. I assume Pavement is one of those bands that "sounds better on vinyl." because on CD its just all flat murk with no texture. A crummy band trying...and failing...at imitating the VU. They don't imitate Sonic Youth, Teenage Fanclub or Slint any better. Every time I see a review where some self-satisfied critic gives "Slanted and Enchanted" a five-star review, I get angry. What a waste of perfectly good resources. Hell, at least Guided by Voices are incompetent enough to be funny. Pavement is just dull...dull...dullllll......

Lord Custos, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

hey look at me, back when i put my last name on my posts.

ethan, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

look at me, I was good old jel back then. I need a flashier name.

james, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

look at me, owning all the Pavement LPs and never talking about them.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

the last three posts would make a great chorus for a pavement esque song.

james, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Too Late, Mark E Smith already used that as the chorus to a B-side.

Lord Custos, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

it's not all good - the good tunes are good the bad tunes are bad. malkmus' new stuff sucks. preston ain't much better. at least they were better than polvo.

bob snoom, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
they were pretty good weren't they? i went off them for a good, long while there, but they will "last". 8/10.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm shocked that strongo's resurrecting a Pavement thread

Michael B, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ha ha why is everyone so shocked when i like an indie band considering my repeated admissions of love for superchunk for chrissakes!?!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(plus i just find the very old threads super-quaint.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i sound like a spa up there. still my fave band tho.

Michael B, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

We were soliders then, and young.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

blazing a trail for lesser lights to follow a few months later. (cough.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ha ha why is everyone so shocked when i like an indie band considering my repeated admissions of love for superchunk for chrissakes!?!

well because your vitriol for the indie bands you don't like is so potent! but what people don't realize is that this is only because a True Indie Rock Player cannot tolerate impure visions, hangers-on, fake players in tha tr00 game! Why ride the Night Train to Butterglory when you can have the '97 California Cabernet of Trigger Cut! latecomers get a late pass, we been up in this game since the jump!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

this is all true thomas, but my vitriol for EVERYTHING i don't like is so potent. i mean, ask me about paul oakenfold sometime.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I know man I heard Oakenfold & DJ Tiesto are gonna ride up on you one of these days while you got Wiley in your headphones and pop! pop! one more megatrance hater 2 tha morgue

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dj tiesto can lick deez nuts. also, we're gonna run up outside twilo and hit that nigga bt with a spike fuckin bat.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.residentadvisor.com.au/images/profiles/tiesto.jpg

Michael B, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

watch out for these west coast trance g's homie, they got glowsticks in they motherfuckin belts

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I miss them, especially in light of my increased appreciation for the last two records. It's not that I'd choose one over the other (S&E/CR,CR vs BtC/TT); I'm just glad that the Pavement of the last two albums existed. It's like after seeing their "cool, ironic and detached" side, we got a rewarding glimpse at their more relaxed and at-ease side (thus more daydreaming material).

alex in montreal, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

best song off S&E sounds least like the rest; i'd like them if all their songs sounded like that one.

Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Saturday, 1 November 2008 20:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

With each Pavement album, there's like six good-to-great songs, and the rest is just absolute self-indulgent wankery garbage. It's shocking that their first couple records have achieved the status of Perfect Canonical Rock Classics That Everyone Should Buy. TRUST ME - THEY'RE NOT!

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 1 November 2008 20:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

I completely agree with that, at least for S&E. I couldn't even listen to CRCR-- particularly that godawful single "Cut Your Hair"; Wowee Zowee and Brighten the Corners failed to make any impression on me whatsoever-- well, except that they seemed exceedingly mediocre. S&E has a few good songs, but "Here" is the standout tune, and it doesn't sound like the rest. I never feel inclined to listen to anything else by Pavement besides that song.

Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Saturday, 1 November 2008 20:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

here?

also, classic!

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Kevin Keller, Saturday, 1 November 2008 20:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

the last song sounds a lot like "here." i'm blanking on the name. "i've been waiting. anticipating."

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 1 November 2008 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

pavement are my favorite band ever. it makes me a little sad to know that some people don't like them; there's certainly some aspect of their music that everyone can love. a lot of people complain about malkmus' voice (especially early), but i think that he does some fantastic things with his voice that don't really fall under the "technical" category.
i've never really heard anyone say that the guy can't write a tune, mostly because that would be absurd to say. i can see why some people would be a bit put off by his (to them) excessive ennui and laid-back style, but for me that just enhanced what i loved about him. also, the more time you spend with the records, the more you can appreciate the songs which aren't as obvious at first. i know he first time i listened to S+E, i didnt really 'get' it besides "here", which i probably put on repeat for 5 hours straight. once you get adjusted to that particular style, the other stuff starts to make sense. what might ostensibly be "self-indulgent" are to me fruitful exercises in his singular, genius style. to each his own, though.

Kevin Keller, Saturday, 1 November 2008 21:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

mr snrub, that's "our singer", S+E's closer

Kevin Keller, Saturday, 1 November 2008 21:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/2009/02/the_spin_pavement_reunion_at_t.php

four-fifths of Pavement reunites (not really) for Bob N.'s wedding

dmr, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 17:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

was spiral stairs not invited? harsh.
i certainly wouldn't mind seeing Pavement play live again, but all of the hubbub and hype that would accompany a potential reunion would be dreadful, I'm sure.

tylerw, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 17:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

I want to know more about why Malkmus left Pavement... is it just personal animosity? Obviously wasn't sick of touring or recording. Also I would like to read more criticism and analysis because I've been trying to understand this band and why people love them so much for n

Boredom: with slackness, not making enough dough, the usual.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 01:59 (six months ago) Permalink

listen to wowee zowee until it all clicks imo

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 8 February 2018 02:04 (six months ago) Permalink

flappy bird this could be a gateway S&E song and also function as a dirge eulogizing pavement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5OeoVkTDLM

malkmus is a prickly ocd loner fwiu and grew increasingly disenchanted (ha!) with carrying the load of his college / post-college buds. the swerve into prog in his solo albums is heard by some as something of a rebuke to / growth beyond earlier chummy sloppiness

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 8 February 2018 02:13 (six months ago) Permalink

Surface take: SM outgrew Pavement. Aside from Ibold (& Gary Young), the other guys were just friends with marginal talent.

Behind the scenes: one of the other dudes was serially cheating on his then-wife, flirting with a shitty drug habit, all the while coattail-riding & making other questionable life choices.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 February 2018 04:23 (six months ago) Permalink

so why is most of his solo output so boring while every single pavement album is good

Simon H., Thursday, 8 February 2018 04:25 (six months ago) Permalink

^^^could be a collegiate mindset, I found as I've gotten older there are as many classic tracks (and duds!) on the Jicks stuff as the Pavement records (esp. the latter Pavement records which have aged terribly).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 February 2018 04:30 (six months ago) Permalink

I'll just link this seemingly unrelated dating advice column here:

http://www.thebolditalic.rip/articles/3385-dating-in-your-40s

At 21, I gave up hope that my romantic life would ever morph into a John Hughes film, and I met my first boyfriend. After six years, he became my husband, and another eight years, my ex-husband. Initially all I thought I wanted was someone who played guitar, listened to the Replacements, and wore Sambas. And this pretty much describes my ex. He toured nine months of the year, liked bands on Touch and Go, and played soccer in college. But as I grew older, I realized our marriage had turned into a rock ’n’ roll cliché, including erstwhile drummers, band breakups, drugs, and hookups with groupies in Paris and London.

Ultimately, I couldn’t blame my ex since he did us both a favor – he behaved so badly that I didn’t have to feel guilty for wanting out (though inevitably I did) or take responsibility for my own mistakes. But I was still left shell-shocked. At 35, when most of my married friends were having kids and moving to the suburbs, I was single and struggling to make a living as a college instructor and freelance writer. I wondered if I’d completely wasted my 20s and a big chunk of my 30s.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 February 2018 04:32 (six months ago) Permalink

I like the later Pavement records just fine, still. I tap out on the Jicks records at the dull half of RET. the new single is stunningly dull.

Simon H., Thursday, 8 February 2018 04:38 (six months ago) Permalink

then again I never really understood the TT hate beyond godrich's fussy production

Simon H., Thursday, 8 February 2018 04:42 (six months ago) Permalink

Surface take: SM outgrew Pavement. Aside from Ibold (& Gary Young), the other guys were just friends with marginal talent.

Behind the scenes: one of the other dudes was serially cheating on his then-wife, flirting with a shitty drug habit, all the while coattail-riding & making other questionable life choices.

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli)

Very interesting...

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 04:47 (six months ago) Permalink

listen to wowee zowee until it all clicks imo

― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 9:04 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

co-sign this

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 February 2018 04:50 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah i have, i like it, but so much on there that doesn't connect with me, even songs i like like 'rattled by the rush.' i can't stand stand any of the SS songs. but 'grounded' is like i said one of my favorite songs ever. i just feel one day it'll all make sense because i've been trying to understand this band for longer than any other and i know i wouldn't ruminate on or be perpetually pissed off by a band that wasn't interesting or compelling or moving. i love pretty much all of Crooked Rain but 'grounded' is on another level

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 04:55 (six months ago) Permalink

Big Pavement fan here who also just doesn't like S&E very much

Badgers (dog latin), Thursday, 8 February 2018 13:06 (six months ago) Permalink

grounded is like the exact venn overlap of helium and polvo

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 February 2018 13:26 (six months ago) Permalink

flappy bird - you listened to the last two albums? common opinion is all 'the early, cool, sloppy Pavement was great; the later stuff where they could play their instruments and got fancy producers to make them sound like Radiohead is dud' and I pretty much disagree with that. Much as I love Crooked Rain, I think there's just as much to be enjoyed about Terror Twilight and Brighten the Corners as there is from S&E, probably more. They weren't the same band, but who wants the same band?

Badgers (dog latin), Thursday, 8 February 2018 13:37 (six months ago) Permalink

but this is how literally every Pavement thread in the history of the Internet goes

Badgers (dog latin), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:05 (six months ago) Permalink

I wasted all my 20s and a good chunk of my 30s too, and I didn't even have to get married to Spiral Stairs.

pplains, Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:10 (six months ago) Permalink

life is a waste of time. been a pavement fan since crooked rain -- saw the tour as a very young chap. first two malkmus solo albums are his peak imho

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:46 (six months ago) Permalink

Yeah not fighting against consensus at all but:

S/E - Fascinating debut
CR/CR - Near perfect ideal of an indie-rock album
WZ - Their best album
BTC - Their most underrated album
TT - accurately rated mild disappointment

But I think Brighten The Corners is the one most overdue for a reappraisal. It's a fantastic late '90s rock album with a character all its own, even if it's not exactly what I come to a Pavement album looking for.

Evan R, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:59 (six months ago) Permalink

Love love love Brighten the Corners

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:00 (six months ago) Permalink

flappy IMO in order to "get" S&E you need to listen to Demolition Plot J-& and Perfect Sound Forever, both of which I prefer and both of which were a big factor in the massive hype for the debut album. then jam out to "No Life Singed Her" and see if it clicks.

sleeve, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:01 (six months ago) Permalink

co-sign that too- transport is arranged is one of my favorite pavement songs. the B-sides from around then are fun too

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:05 (six months ago) Permalink

Gonna descent b/c I think if Flappy doesn't get S&E he's absolutely going to HATE 90% of that early stuff, which is really disjointed and not at all the "Grounded"-y songwriting fix he's looking for.

My suggestion is check out the live 1992 concert on the second disc of the S&E reissue, which dresses up a lot of those rough early songs with some alt-rock showmanship. This version of "Home" is so completely my shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgJ4SSbSJ6o

Evan R, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:11 (six months ago) Permalink

Stick your fingers in my mouth / Pull my lips back WATCH ME SMILE

Evan R, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:14 (six months ago) Permalink

hmph "Debris Slide" is far from disjointed (again, imo, but come on)

I found S&E and CRCR a total letdown after those glorious EPs, the only other record I like as much the early stuff is WZ.

sleeve, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:20 (six months ago) Permalink

will not dispute the glory of "Debris Slide"

Evan R, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:27 (six months ago) Permalink

If you love “Grounded,” Brighten the Corners is certainly the closest thing to a whole album of Groundeds, and the expanded edition has more good stuff along the same lines. It’s my favorite Pavement album, though the almost invariably slow tempo takes some getting used to.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:52 (six months ago) Permalink

I for one also adore Transport Is Arranged. Listened to it last week and I still can't get it out of my head.

With recent events, the lyrics have changed in my head to "Praise the GAMMON police..."

kraudive, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:54 (six months ago) Permalink

What's weird is that I have internalized Standard Critical Discourse enough to think of S&E and Crooked as "the classic Pavement albums" but if I actually contemplate my listening habits, in the last 10 years I've played Wowee Zowee and Brighten the Corners 5x more than either of those. "Transport is Arranged," "Stereo," "We Are Underused" are three of their greatest songs.

But of course, yes, "Debris Slide," that is majesty.

(I don't care about "Box Elder" anymore though!)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:01 (six months ago) Permalink

I was always a little sad they didn't ever try to go the Perfect Depth route / style ever again. Wonderful noise rock.

kraudive, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:04 (six months ago) Permalink

I just find the early stuff a bit hard on the ears. I don't mind 'lo-fi' but I'm just not into harshness, and I just don't think the songs are as good. Crooked Rain has incredible songwriting, as does BTC. Might mean something that BTC was the first album I heard and the one that got me into them.

Badgers (dog latin), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:29 (six months ago) Permalink

"Grounded" (in its original state) was left off of Crooked Rain, then rerecorded for BTC. There is nothing even close to it on BTC.

That said, I also think it's pretty overrated... 4+ minutes of 3 chords with a cool intro/outro and a weak chorus (?)... it's basically "Summer Babe pt. 2".

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:53 (six months ago) Permalink

^^^...then rerecorded for BTC WZ

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:53 (six months ago) Permalink

that post started so well...

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:14 (six months ago) Permalink

it's not overrated, you just don't like it

also, it's 'fight this generation' that's "summer babe pt 2"

brimstead, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:15 (six months ago) Permalink

pavement threads on ILM are reliably weird.

tylerw, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:46 (six months ago) Permalink

whether or not you dig WZ (I also think it's their best) the whole thing just SOUNDS so good

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:20 (six months ago) Permalink

sounds like fondue or an electric blanket

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:20 (six months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEy4OUeZs4

the Space Ghost Coast to Coast episode where Pavement is introduced as The Beatles is pretty classic

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 8 February 2018 23:02 (six months ago) Permalink

hell yea

The jam they do at the end is a bonus cut on the BTC reissue

brimstead, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:19 (six months ago) Permalink

Yeah not fighting against consensus at all but:

S/E - Fascinating debut
CR/CR - Near perfect ideal of an indie-rock album
WZ - Their best album
BTC - Their most underrated album
TT - accurately rated mild disappointment

But I think Brighten The Corners is the one most overdue for a reappraisal. It's a fantastic late '90s rock album with a character all its own, even if it's not exactly what I come to a Pavement album looking for.

― Evan R, Thursday, February 8, 2018 5:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ This

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Friday, 9 February 2018 09:50 (six months ago) Permalink

New Malkmus & Jicks track sounds like a lovely lost Pavement B-side

https://open.spotify.com/album/2NSpjbEnOdNMJU9F2ELEgF

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Friday, 9 February 2018 09:50 (six months ago) Permalink

Just came here to post that. Think it's the best (or at least most acceptable) thing he's released in a very long time. Reminds me of Major Leagues, one of my favourite Pave ballads

Badgers (dog latin), Friday, 9 February 2018 10:08 (six months ago) Permalink

I like Brighten The Corners, not really a TT fan though. Transport is Arranged is one of my favourite Pavement songs. I really don't like Shady Lane though which seems to be a fan favourite.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 9 February 2018 10:31 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

dang going through my old bookmarks has inspired me to listen to "Brighten the Corners" today. I always think of it as one of the albums I'm not as familiar with but then I put it on and know every song inside and out. I also COMPLETELY forgot how fucking good "Old To Begin" is.

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:39 (five months ago) Permalink

Classic top to bottom

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:21 (five months ago) Permalink

Brighten The Corners is probably my favourite Pavement album, its one of those albums that instantly reminds me of a specific time of my life. My girlfriend at the time had parents who owned an independent record store, so I got to tape a copy a few weeks pre-release and played it to death. Pavement did a UK tour about a week before the album actually came out and (being a cheeky twat) I took it with me and the whole band were happy to sign it, top geezers.

raise my chicken finger (Willl), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:34 (five months ago) Permalink

I was so underwhelmed by Brighten the Corners that I sold it—not usual, being a broke kid in the '90s meant constantly selling old CDs to buy new ones—but like half a year later I bought it back and it was one of my favs for years afterward. Been ages since I've listened to it start to finish though.

Evan R, Thursday, 8 March 2018 16:30 (five months ago) Permalink

lol i have basically the same history with BTC. bought it around 98, listened to it several times and was bored.
slapped it on a couple years later and was like "ok wtf every song here is great"

brimstead, Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:54 (five months ago) Permalink

Was my first Pavement album but would suggest it as an entry point due it's slow-medium tempos for much of it. Was there a reason given for Harness Your Hopes being a b-side? And even then, why did it wait until the following album releases for it to come out?

PaulTMA, Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:18 (five months ago) Permalink


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