Pavement:Classic or Dud

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Quirk-out kings of cult US rock or over-rated Fall rip-offs? Personally, I love 'em to bits.

Michael Bourke, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I do realize that they can't swing, that Stephen Malkmus can't sing and that they could lay off the irony a little, but they're so much fun that I don't care. Pretty much everything up to Wowee Zowee is classic. Brighten The Corners I found a bit drab, so I didn't get Terror Twilight. Am I missing much ? Anyway, a Classic band, and "Father To A Sister Of Thought" is freakin' gorgeous.

Patrick, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I am not surprised to discover stevie's new record sounds exactly like pavement, except maybe "the Hook", which sounds like a slightly blues- funkier version of Pavement. Slanted & Enchanted was pretty much where it started and stopped for me. The songs, even Stevie agrees, all started to sound "the same"... "started to" or "always did"?

I can sum up Pavement with a few words: run-on sentences, inside-jokes (which, unfortunately are never explained), sloppy jams hovering somewhere between self-mocking angst and slacker apathy culminating in complacency.

Something about them was unique at one time, but not terribly more unique than several other bands of the same era. And, is it just me, or does Steve have NO RANGE?!

That being said, I think Pavement are okay for summer music ("Summer babe"...) but Steve's starting to wear out his welcome in my eardrums.

john yonderboy, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

It says something about them, or me, or this site, or all three, that I was absolutely stone-cold positive we'd had this thread before.

I like the ballads, I think - "Here", "We Dance". Ask me in ten years.

Tom, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Actually no, Patrick, I feel "Terror Twilight" was where the rot set in but it still has some class songs on it eg. "Billie","Major Leagues"..Its funny that you mention that they are great fun because I always feel their music is full of those lovely cuddlesome FUN moments.....check the "Woo-woo" harmonies in "Trigger Cut"...the anthemic scarf waving chorus of "We are underused" and that line in "Billie"..."Black widows are seen as stigmatised beings who ought to have a second chance/and hurricanes spin like debutantes into a trance"...I could go on forever..

Michael Bourke, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Best experience I've ever had with them was the collection of B-sides that I made from my friend Brian's collection on a CDR. Worked better than *any* of the real albums. I have no idea what that might mean.

I appreciate the Fall's virulence, to hark back to an obvious predecessor, to Pavement's mere quirkiness. Compared to the bile Mark E. can drop from his lips, the endlessly quoted putdowns from "Range Life" seem completely wimpy and pointless.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

you know what was a killer pavement tune? 'robyn turned 26', from the grand royal groovebox comp a while back. it's like they decided to out-grand royal all the grand royal artists on their own album. brilliant.

ethan padgett, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Zee Pavement, veering into sub-classic territory. They were good and they alway surprised me in that I always liked their latest record, up till 'Brighten the Corners' after that i really lost interest. My favorite is "Wowee Zowee", it has the best ratio of pure melody and cool minimal krautrockin tunes. They were a rather boring live band after they fired Plant Maaaaaan.

Omar, Tuesday, 27 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like 'em. Never really heard the Fall. The last album they made wasn't so great. The Stephen Malkmus solo album is good. bye.

jel, Tuesday, 27 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I've never understood all the fuss about Pavement. The press have always liked Malkmus and the fact that he gives good interview seems to obscure the often dull music.

"Slanted.." is the only album that I play regularly, and I admit it's good, as is half of "Wowee Zowee". They CAN be almost great ("Summer Babe", "Here", "Father to a Sister of a Thought"), but seem content to pad out releases with half-arsed Pavement-by-numbers material. Or should that be Fall-by-numbers?

I lost interest by "Brighten the Corners" when it was clear that they could only do one thing, and we're probably going to do it for ever.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 27 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic. Pavemnet 4 ever MAN!

JM, Tuesday, 27 February 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
For one thing, some have taken (and still seem to take) Pavement too seriously. They are not meant to be (nor ever were meant to be) some sort of generational anthem band (ala Nirvana or Pearl Jam or Blur or whatever). They are just a bunch of kooks (funny slackers) who can toss off one hell of a catchy pop/rock tune that happen to come out of the 90's.

They make me bob my head and laugh and feel good - which is the whole of the point of Pavement (as far as I see it). And...job well-done.

'Crooked Rain, Crooken Rain' is simply brilliant in it's slackerisms. And is in my top 3 (maybe even THE) summer album list. Already have listened to it many times this very summer period and will surely listen to it many more times (as I have for past summers). It still hasn't lost it's charms on me (not come summer time, at least). Last summer, a younger cousin of mine got married. And...I played 'Crooked Rain' loud as I drove there and back as the perfect soundtrack to all that has been slacked in my young, but getting old, life. Worked perfectly for that "I'm 30. What do I have to show for it?" mood when you just want to say "Fuck it all. I'm going driving in search of some far off land of fairies and hot cocoa." (fine, maybe that's just me, but)

'Woowee Zowee' is good in many spots (nix the forced "punk" tracks). And Malkmus solo album is a solid summer album (for the most part). The rest...I don't care too much for, but. 'Crooked Rain' makes up for the rest alone.

michael g. breece, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

crooked rain, and wowee zowee are very good albums, but i'm wondering how well they've dated. i don't play these records anymore, maybe i don't connect so much with them now. i'm finding this, also with mercury rev (up to see you on the other side - deserters songs was appaling anyway), flaming lips, stereolab, tindersticks etc etc. these were favourite albums for such a long time, and i still think, objectively, they're great albums. so, why do i never play them anymore?

gareth, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

You've changed, duh.

Josh, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
Has anyone heard Spiral Stairs' new project, Preston School of Industry? I find it superior to Malkmus' solo debut, but below the best of Pavement. Very enjoyable listen, and for some reason, I detected some Silver Jews in it, which is odd given that it's Malkmus that worked with them.

alex in montreal, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

haven't heard it, no. but isn't preston school of industry a very '96 name, sound like the sort of band who would have supported stereolab and been very pleased about their silver apples records. they might have been quite good though

gareth, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

*I'm* very pleased about the one Silver Apples record I own. If "Preston School of Industry" sounds '96 it's the obvious Ooop North-ness: at least it makes *me* think of *that* Preston ...

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

My fave Pavement moment (besides all of S&E and Crooked Rain (does sign of cross)) is B-side of "Rattled by the Rush", where they do their best Jon Spencer Blues Explosion ("False Skorpion"). It's still incontrovertibly Pavement, like they're in a police lineup with a fake moustache, desperately trying to "blow" it back into place. It's the kind of thing the Stones did constantly. Trying to sound like someone else, and failing = being your own hairy self. The Spencerisms are hilarious: "I ain't no woman... I ain't no woman... I'm a... MAYunnn... check me out!") The other B song on that 45, "So Easily Fooled", I like better than the single prob. cause it sounds like it belongs on Crooked Rain... so did I say that I liked Pavement?

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The Preston School of Industry is an abandoned reform school in Northern California. Merle Haggard has a PSOI tattoo on his arm. I thought the Stephen Malkmus album was ok, not as good as the Pavement albums but enjoyable all the same. I'll definitely check out the PSOI's new album tho. Great title too-"All this sounds gas".

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Thanks. I see.

It being Preston, Lancashire would have fitted Pavement's rather tiresome Anglophile image, I suppose.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Dreadful garbage. I assume Pavement is one of those bands that "sounds better on vinyl." because on CD its just all flat murk with no texture. A crummy band trying...and failing...at imitating the VU. They don't imitate Sonic Youth, Teenage Fanclub or Slint any better. Every time I see a review where some self-satisfied critic gives "Slanted and Enchanted" a five-star review, I get angry. What a waste of perfectly good resources. Hell, at least Guided by Voices are incompetent enough to be funny. Pavement is just dull...dull...dullllll......

Lord Custos, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

hey look at me, back when i put my last name on my posts.

ethan, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

look at me, I was good old jel back then. I need a flashier name.

james, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

look at me, owning all the Pavement LPs and never talking about them.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

the last three posts would make a great chorus for a pavement esque song.

james, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Too Late, Mark E Smith already used that as the chorus to a B-side.

Lord Custos, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

it's not all good - the good tunes are good the bad tunes are bad. malkmus' new stuff sucks. preston ain't much better. at least they were better than polvo.

bob snoom, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
they were pretty good weren't they? i went off them for a good, long while there, but they will "last". 8/10.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm shocked that strongo's resurrecting a Pavement thread

Michael B, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ha ha why is everyone so shocked when i like an indie band considering my repeated admissions of love for superchunk for chrissakes!?!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(plus i just find the very old threads super-quaint.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i sound like a spa up there. still my fave band tho.

Michael B, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

We were soliders then, and young.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

blazing a trail for lesser lights to follow a few months later. (cough.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ha ha why is everyone so shocked when i like an indie band considering my repeated admissions of love for superchunk for chrissakes!?!

well because your vitriol for the indie bands you don't like is so potent! but what people don't realize is that this is only because a True Indie Rock Player cannot tolerate impure visions, hangers-on, fake players in tha tr00 game! Why ride the Night Train to Butterglory when you can have the '97 California Cabernet of Trigger Cut! latecomers get a late pass, we been up in this game since the jump!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

this is all true thomas, but my vitriol for EVERYTHING i don't like is so potent. i mean, ask me about paul oakenfold sometime.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I know man I heard Oakenfold & DJ Tiesto are gonna ride up on you one of these days while you got Wiley in your headphones and pop! pop! one more megatrance hater 2 tha morgue

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dj tiesto can lick deez nuts. also, we're gonna run up outside twilo and hit that nigga bt with a spike fuckin bat.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.residentadvisor.com.au/images/profiles/tiesto.jpg

Michael B, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

watch out for these west coast trance g's homie, they got glowsticks in they motherfuckin belts

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I miss them, especially in light of my increased appreciation for the last two records. It's not that I'd choose one over the other (S&E/CR,CR vs BtC/TT); I'm just glad that the Pavement of the last two albums existed. It's like after seeing their "cool, ironic and detached" side, we got a rewarding glimpse at their more relaxed and at-ease side (thus more daydreaming material).

alex in montreal, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

best song off S&E sounds least like the rest; i'd like them if all their songs sounded like that one.

Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Saturday, 1 November 2008 20:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

With each Pavement album, there's like six good-to-great songs, and the rest is just absolute self-indulgent wankery garbage. It's shocking that their first couple records have achieved the status of Perfect Canonical Rock Classics That Everyone Should Buy. TRUST ME - THEY'RE NOT!

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 1 November 2008 20:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

I completely agree with that, at least for S&E. I couldn't even listen to CRCR-- particularly that godawful single "Cut Your Hair"; Wowee Zowee and Brighten the Corners failed to make any impression on me whatsoever-- well, except that they seemed exceedingly mediocre. S&E has a few good songs, but "Here" is the standout tune, and it doesn't sound like the rest. I never feel inclined to listen to anything else by Pavement besides that song.

Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Saturday, 1 November 2008 20:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

here?

also, classic!

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Kevin Keller, Saturday, 1 November 2008 20:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

the last song sounds a lot like "here." i'm blanking on the name. "i've been waiting. anticipating."

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 1 November 2008 21:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

pavement are my favorite band ever. it makes me a little sad to know that some people don't like them; there's certainly some aspect of their music that everyone can love. a lot of people complain about malkmus' voice (especially early), but i think that he does some fantastic things with his voice that don't really fall under the "technical" category.
i've never really heard anyone say that the guy can't write a tune, mostly because that would be absurd to say. i can see why some people would be a bit put off by his (to them) excessive ennui and laid-back style, but for me that just enhanced what i loved about him. also, the more time you spend with the records, the more you can appreciate the songs which aren't as obvious at first. i know he first time i listened to S+E, i didnt really 'get' it besides "here", which i probably put on repeat for 5 hours straight. once you get adjusted to that particular style, the other stuff starts to make sense. what might ostensibly be "self-indulgent" are to me fruitful exercises in his singular, genius style. to each his own, though.

Kevin Keller, Saturday, 1 November 2008 21:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

mr snrub, that's "our singer", S+E's closer

Kevin Keller, Saturday, 1 November 2008 21:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/2009/02/the_spin_pavement_reunion_at_t.php

four-fifths of Pavement reunites (not really) for Bob N.'s wedding

dmr, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 17:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

was spiral stairs not invited? harsh.
i certainly wouldn't mind seeing Pavement play live again, but all of the hubbub and hype that would accompany a potential reunion would be dreadful, I'm sure.

tylerw, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 17:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

I was listening yesterday and noticed for the first time that the twangy bass (or guitar?) that opens Greenlander also shows up toward the end of Shoot The Singer

a roomba of one's own (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 12:12 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Great snapshot of pre-S&E Pavement -- summer 1991 show at the Middle East just popped up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Cd56fHNFg

city worker, Friday, 26 October 2018 13:30 (three months ago) Permalink

some good gary young content here

devvvine, Friday, 26 October 2018 13:46 (three months ago) Permalink

I saw a teenager this summer at a grocery store in my small, middle-of-nowhere home town wearing a red S&E t-shirt and it pleased me greatly.

joygoat, Friday, 26 October 2018 14:04 (three months ago) Permalink

Wonder where he found it. I don’t get why ‘90s indie bands haven’t been able to cash in on the retro T-shirt craze... I feel like there should be Sebadoh tees at Hot Topic.

greta van vliet (morrisp), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:28 (three months ago) Permalink

(Also — I didn’t know that Bob was playing with them that early on.)

greta van vliet (morrisp), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:30 (three months ago) Permalink

It's been so long since I listened to Pavement that when I was watching a bit of that I heard a song I half recognized and thought, hmm, where do I know that song from? And then instantly realized, oh yeah, it's a Pavement song.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 October 2018 14:37 (three months ago) Permalink

google search shows that red s&e t shirts are available on the walmart website.

wmlynch, Friday, 26 October 2018 17:35 (three months ago) Permalink

!!

(...it says "Out of Stock," but still!)

greta van vliet (morrisp), Friday, 26 October 2018 17:39 (three months ago) Permalink

BandTees.com has a few classic designs (Another Pavement t-shirt that has been upgraded to a super soft fitted cotton t-shirt for an extremely comfortable and great fitting official Pavement experience.

greta van vliet (morrisp), Friday, 26 October 2018 17:41 (three months ago) Permalink

over on walmart.com

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/ab6b861c-51c5-4ebe-b7ab-630f38fd7d0c_1.e41e3a84c7f155a757b2ed966c4aad5d.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF

The Velvet Underground pose with their old pal Nico in Warhol-inspired color bar portraits on the front of this soft black t-shirt. Pairs nicely with shiny boots of leather. 100% cotton.

tylerw, Friday, 26 October 2018 17:42 (three months ago) Permalink

boooootleg band t-shirts are p easy to find

flappy bird, Friday, 26 October 2018 17:42 (three months ago) Permalink

i mean it's also on amazon and pavement's merch site, but yeah walmart.

wmlynch, Friday, 26 October 2018 17:44 (three months ago) Permalink

MorrisP Industries only supports officially licensed merchandise from which a 25% cut goes directly to Gerard Cosloy's bank acct.

greta van vliet (morrisp), Friday, 26 October 2018 17:45 (three months ago) Permalink

I saw them in Glasgow a month prior to that video and I'm racking my brains trying to remember if Bob was in the band then.

MaresNest, Friday, 26 October 2018 18:58 (three months ago) Permalink

I had a tan-colored tee with "Pavement" in cross stitch style, it was ugly af and I LIKED it

the dutiful and the banned (rip van wanko), Friday, 26 October 2018 21:03 (three months ago) Permalink

related to the t shirt discussion:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2cwqzkm.jpg

wmlynch, Friday, 26 October 2018 21:33 (three months ago) Permalink

I think I had the sunny side up tee as well, but in blue

the dutiful and the banned (rip van wanko), Friday, 26 October 2018 23:53 (three months ago) Permalink

is that a britpop dude?

the dutiful and the banned (rip van wanko), Friday, 26 October 2018 23:53 (three months ago) Permalink

I would love a tee w/just the Wowee Zowee cover art

greta van vliet (morrisp), Saturday, 27 October 2018 00:11 (three months ago) Permalink

"Pavement asked me to paint their album cover for Wowee Zowee and it was absolutely incredible to have that happen because I'm so into their music. A few days later, I painted a bunch of stuff on paper for them to pick out which one they wanted. They had been doing all sorts of funny scribbly drawings and stuff on their previous album covers so I thought they were just gonna take my art and kind of chop it up and make a collage out of it like their other albums. But they basically just straightforwardly took one of the things that I painted and then they stuck the words on top of it. I painted about 20 or 30 different covers. I can't remember. A bunch of stuff. One of our friends, she was very into Middle Eastern studies and she eventually started teaching Arabic literature at college. But she was a friend of Stephen's. There was a Middle East vibe in the air. Everybody ate falafels like crazy back then. I just thought, 'I'll try some of this out,' with an old-time, far-away Middle Eastern look. Back then Middle Eastern was less specific then it is now. Twenty years ago it was just exotic."

huh, no mention of this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UaDPzpj1L.jpg

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 October 2018 02:18 (three months ago) Permalink

Well the painting is totally unrelated

Οὖτις, Saturday, 27 October 2018 02:22 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah he even says “they stuck the words on top of it.”

greta van vliet (morrisp), Saturday, 27 October 2018 02:33 (three months ago) Permalink

That self portrait of Sarah Lucas will be hot forever.

I went to Steve Keene's workspace once and he had loads and loads of paintings in bins that he was just giving away. We got a bunch of wood cuttings that oddly looked like me and my dude and gave him a couple of twenties.

Yerac, Saturday, 27 October 2018 02:56 (three months ago) Permalink

rip if you were being serious, there's more info on the photo here: fried eggs

wmlynch, Saturday, 27 October 2018 03:42 (three months ago) Permalink

that live set was awesome.

wmlynch, Saturday, 27 October 2018 03:43 (three months ago) Permalink

thanks. i am either unfamilar or have forgotten about sarah lucas but i enjoyed learning about her

the dutiful and the banned (rip van wanko), Saturday, 27 October 2018 04:44 (three months ago) Permalink

I went to Steve Keene's workspace once and he had loads and loads of paintings in bins that he was just giving away. We got a bunch of wood cuttings that oddly looked like me and my dude and gave him a couple of twenties.

About ten years ago I bought a set of five randomly selected paintings off his website for like $25, and he sent me twelve, all on wood. One of them was of Pavement at the Hollywood Bowl.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:41 (three months ago) Permalink

Just saw Mark on the street, he looked like he was showing some hipster reporter around the neighborhood, gesturing here and there

calstars, Sunday, 4 November 2018 21:18 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Any headz out there know what "Sebadope" was?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SdaZgok0IH0/U5BwPPJVdQI/AAAAAAAAGCc/yFxaaJWPjQ0/s1600/img299.jpg

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:06 (four weeks ago) Permalink

(I guess same q for "Living Excuse"...)

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:07 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Ah yeah, I know that from "Stuff Up the Cracks"...

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:09 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Def. a 1993 show... I saw them 2x on that leg, I'll try to find the recording!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:10 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Sweet!

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:11 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Apparently "Living Excuse" was a working title for "Cut Yr Hair" from my source...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

"Sleep" is Fillmore Jive

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

"MT" = In The Mouth A Des(s)ert

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

"Loretta's II" = "Elevate Me Later"

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:16 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Interesting to know they were playing a few CR, CR songs in '93.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:17 (four weeks ago) Permalink

That was Gary's last tour, maybe even one of his last shows.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:19 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I didn't get to see him play with them until the reunion show in Berkeley... that was really cool, something I thought I'd never get to see.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:21 (four weeks ago) Permalink

"sebadoh" came out on the CR deluxe as "all my friends"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6JK4p_vnqo

tylerw, Friday, 25 January 2019 21:33 (four weeks ago) Permalink

That's a great song! I never made the connection w/the early version on Stuff Up the Cracks.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:36 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I'm gonna one up Tyler W (as this is a rare chance to) but "Sebadoh/Helen Stones" first showed up on the Gold Soundz b-side "Exit Theory":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag-C3_xQjW0

The unabridged version came out on the CR Deluxe as "All My Friends"

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:56 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Wow! I have that 7"... and again, never noticed it was the same song.

I wonder why they originally called it "Sebadoh"... it doesn't really sound like Sebadoh? Or maybe it does a little, I dunno

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:59 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Because...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3xqJ0O64Aw

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 25 January 2019 22:27 (four weeks ago) Permalink

xxp haha that's right! i remember hearing that snippet back in the day and thinking it was pretty cool sounding ...

tylerw, Friday, 25 January 2019 22:28 (four weeks ago) Permalink

xp -- !! Talk about another connection I would have never made...

i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 25 January 2019 22:33 (four weeks ago) Permalink

holy shit, "All My Friends" is one of my top 5 Pavement songs and I still can't believe they didn't put it on the album
I would KILLLLLLL to hear them play it live

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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