Songs sung in the voice of an unreliable narrator

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
"Idiot Wind"? ("I can't help it if I'm lucky")
"The Girl is Mine"?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

And what of the exaggerations of gangsta rap?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick Cave's "The Mercy Seat" uses an unreliable narrator right up until the last line.

Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"Central Scrutinizer" by Frank Zappa

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Unreliable Narrator" by They Might Be Giants.

JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Mind Playing Tricks On Me - Geto Boys

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"Buenos Tardes Amigo" by Ween

Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Space w/ Cerys, "The Ballad of Tom Jones"

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Alice Cooper "Ballad of Dwight Frye"
Ratt "I'm Insane"

dave q, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"Listen To Me Lie" by Gene Simmons (not that Gene Simmons). (Or that Jean Simmons, for that matter.)

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

robbie fulks, "i told her lies"

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Pretty much every Randy Newman song ever written, e.g. "Rednecks" and "Short People."

Lots of Elvis Costello, too.

mike a, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"Walt Whitman's Niece"-Billy Bragg & Wilco (lyrics by Woody Guthrie)

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Pretty much every Randy Newman song ever written, e.g. "Rednecks" and "Short People."

but the narrator of "short people," for example, is completely reliable. he may not accurately represent the feelings of the songwriter, and he may be the result of sarcasm, but within the world of the song, that narrator is consistent and reliable and completely telling his own truth. what isn't reliable about that?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Devin the Dude - "What"

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Black Sabbath, "Fairies Wear Boots"

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Smiths, "Girlfriend in a Coma"

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Smiths, "Girlfriend in a Coma"

ooh, really? It only recently occurred to me that I maybe shouldn't take those lyrics at face value. But what's going on then? Is he just getting the silent treatment?

JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Bon Jovi: 'Blaze Of Glory'
- "I'm a cowboy/ Ridin' a steel horse", wtf?

Jay Kid (Jay K), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"Why I Love Country Music," Lloyd Cole and the Commotions
"El Paso," Marty Robbins (the Sunset Blvd. of country songs)
"Planet Claire," the B-52s
"Little Old Country Boy," Parliament
"Evil Will Prevail," the Flaming Lips

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

It only recently occurred to me that I maybe shouldn't take those lyrics at face value. But what's going on then? Is he just getting the silent treatment?

There was actually a thread about this (lyrics discussion toward the end):
The Smiths - "Girlfriend In A Coma"

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Pretty much every Randy Newman song ever written, e.g. "Rednecks" and "Short People."

but the narrator of "short people," for example, is completely reliable. he may not accurately represent the feelings of the songwriter, and he may be the result of sarcasm, but within the world of the song, that narrator is consistent and reliable and completely telling his own truth. what isn't reliable about that?

I think "Sail Away" was the Newman song you were looking for....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed's Redeeming Qualities, "My Friend Bob."

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Henry Rollins, "Liar"

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

R.E.M. - "Diminished" - one of Stipe's better lyrics, written from the perspective of a clearly guilty defendant (How do I play this? Jealous lover, self-defense, protective brother, chemical dependence? I have never hurt anything. Is the justice wavering? Does she know I sing?)

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 28 October 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The Fall to the thread.

Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

That "Not Yet A Woman" song by Britney.

Kim (Kim), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

'Detachable Penis'- King Missile

cdwill, Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I disagree. Who is to say that the narrator of that song doesn't actually have a detachable penis, that the song takes place in a universe where such things are possible?

Probably any Black Sabbath song counts -- can you rely on a narrator who thinks that sweet leaf "introduced me to my mind"?

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Rick Springfield - 'Jessie's Girl'

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd pay more than twenty (?) bucks to get my own penis back, though.
And I wouldn't haggle over the price...

cdwill, Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

You have a point.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Eminem "Stan"
Biggie - "Gimmie The Loot"

Sympatico (shmuel), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Probably any Black Sabbath song counts -- can you rely on a narrator who thinks that sweet leaf "introduced me to my mind"?

...'specially when you take into consideration the memory-impairment side effects?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

From 'Trust Me, I'm A Doctor' to 'I Ate A Girl Right Up' or 'Heliogabalus' -- in fact just about everything else ever written by that Momus fellow...

Some say even his internet posts are written in the voice of an unreliable narrator, which begs the question 'Just as there's a 'moronic-ironic' mode of speech which consists of putting invisible quote marks around everything you say just so you never have to commit yourself to meaning any one clear thing, might there be a 'moronic-unreliable narrator' mode which consists in never meaning a thing you say or sing?' And 'Does using an unreliable narrator mean never having to say you're sorry?'

A tentative answer to those question might be, 'Well, those moronic-ironic people, are they finally less or more vulnerable because of all the invisible air quote marks? And the moronic-unreliables, are they finally more protected or more exposed because of the postures they allow their narrators to strike? And I'd say that the increased protection fiction gives you -- saying 'This is a character saying this, one you shouldn't trust' -- is offset and balanced by the increased exposure to risk that mask-wearing brings, because it emboldens you and tempts you to experiment, to find 'other yous', even taboo yous.

In the end, what I find so useful about unreliable narration, especially satire voiced by an unreliable narrator, is that it allows things to be discussed in a fuzzy, fizzy, non-judgemental space. Things are often at their most interesting when you don't know what you think about a subject, take more than one position on it, and dramatize it with more than one voice. 'What if I take the judgement out of this ultra-judgemental form, satire? What's left when I split myself into a lot of little characters and turn all satire's aggression, usually focused strongly by the ego on something outside it, against these new, dramatised micro-fragments of myself, my fantasies, my heroes, my enemies?' The result is a sort of 'fuzzy puppetry'.

But don't trust me, I'm just the narrator.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Kylie-Turn It Into Love!
See, because her angry ex-boyfriend is threatening her with a gun, she's flipped out, and all she can do is spout psychobabble at him.
Also, I've seen Moby cite I Can See Clearly Now, also for reasons of psychobabbling.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Most Lou Reed songs

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a better example of a Stipe "unreliable narrator" on the same album as "Diminished" - "The Apologist."

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there's some confusion on this thread between third-person narration and unreliable narration. Anyway, I nominate the potential paedo-perv narrator of the Kinks' "Art Lover."

briania (briania), Thursday, 28 October 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Will Oldham/Alan Licht - "Don't Cry, Driver"

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

The Pet Shop Boys - A Different Point Of View

Atnevon (Atnevon), Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i've got a vague notion forming here that unreliable narration isn't really possible in the majority of pop lyrics (although there are some notable exceptions above) because they're mostly fragmentary and never usually lay any claim to being a particular "truth", but ... naah, that's probably bollocks. and it's a long time since i wrote an english lit essay.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

What does an unreliable narrator's voice sound like? Is it all wavering?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"Don't Trust Me," Jim Lauderdale

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 29 October 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

thirteen years pass...

O Superman

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 05:54 (eight years ago)

I nominate half of the TMBG catalogue

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:28 (eight years ago)

Rilo Kiley - Does He Love You?

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:37 (eight years ago)

faith no more - RV

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:53 (eight years ago)

Gnarls Barkley - Crazy

bhad bhabie...you gon' hurt your bhack (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:06 (eight years ago)

Drive-By Truckers probably have dozens.

Used To Be a Cop

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:09 (eight years ago)

"Possum Kingdom" - seems pretty clear we're supposed to infer that all the proclamations of harmlessness, so help me Jesus, are not to be trusted. Not really "narrated" insofar as it's a second-person address but it feels close to the idea.

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:20 (eight years ago)

Richard Marx, “Hazard”. Promoted and marketed as such.

breastcrawl, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:41 (eight years ago)

"Deacon Blues."

fleetwood machiavellian (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 21:11 (eight years ago)

Bruce Springsteen - Atlantic City

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 21:27 (eight years ago)

Does a self-deluding narrator count? If so, "Bright Future in Sales."

SlimAndSlam, Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:31 (eight years ago)

Basically all of Jim O’Rourke’s more song-oriented material?

spastic heritage, Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:32 (eight years ago)

Oh yeah duh I don't know why I didn't think of that before. Yeah, everything.

flappy bird, Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:06 (eight years ago)

Although some of the songs have obvious characters/stories, a lot of them sound like they're from the perspective of an all-seeing crank or something (Memory Lame, Insignificance, Ghost Ship in a Storm, Movie on the Way Down, Therefore I Am, Life Goes Off...)

flappy bird, Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:07 (eight years ago)

lotsa paranoid and hopeful mountain goats songs

lowercase (eric), Thursday, 19 April 2018 01:21 (eight years ago)

spastic OTM!

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Thursday, 19 April 2018 06:46 (eight years ago)

kornrulez, I've been thinking about that song lately. My wife suggested that the protagonist wants her dressed up so that they can have one last nice time. My reading is that he wants her dressed up so that she can be used as eye candy or sexual bait in a con or other potentially violent mob-flavored situation.

as god is my waitress (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 20 April 2018 15:45 (eight years ago)

JOR really spells out his lyrical M.O. on “All Downhill from Here”—

“Don't believe a word I say
Not that you would anyway
I may be insincere
But it's all downhill from here

If I seem a bit remote
You'll feel better if you say I'm a misanthrope
Or whatever floats your boat
As for me, I'd rather sink my own

Even though I'm here, you should feel all alone
Maybe the point of this you've just outgrown
There are names for me that are better known
Just draw a line and I'll add my own”

spastic heritage, Friday, 20 April 2018 22:31 (eight years ago)

Surprised "Somebody I Used to Know" didn't come up

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 20 April 2018 22:57 (eight years ago)

I've always assumed that the protagonist of Peter Gabriel's "Big Time" is a fantasist:

My parties have all the big names
And I greet them with the widest smile
Tell them how my life is one big adventure
And always they're amazed
When I show them round my house, to my bed
I had it made like a mountain range
With a snow white pillow for my big fat head

Vast Halo, Friday, 20 April 2018 23:04 (eight years ago)

xp which one? Elliott Smith or Gotye?

flappy bird, Friday, 20 April 2018 23:06 (eight years ago)

Gotye was the one I meant.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 20 April 2018 23:54 (eight years ago)


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.