who / what is gravenhurst? (December 2014 edit -- RIP Nick Talbot)

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LP looked interesting in the shop but then noticed it was on Warp and haven't been in the mood for twee idm or anything too 'difficult' this side of the (excellent) Dead Texan album so passsed on it. Gimme the lowdown, if you will.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 29 October 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

er i think its like some dude strumming along pointlessly to a guitar with maybe some electronics going on a bit. acousticy stuff? prob. some thing that 10000345 people have done before?

not that sure. i have heard that its crap though.

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Kind of the missing link between Bert Jansch, Aled Jones, Kevin Shields and George Romero.

Twee IDM it is not.

From http://www.silentagerecords.co.uk/gravenhurst/

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'Black Holes in the Sand', a mini album of all new material will be released November 1st. It features six tracks and clocks in at over half an hour.

'Black Holes in the Sand' marks a significant progression for Gravenhurst. The sonic elements of 'Flashlight Seasons' have been magnified, the undercurrent of lyrical dread intensified, yet the title track is more immediate and approachable than anything on the previous album. Typical methods of emotional manipulation - pedal steel; harmonica - have been completely abandoned and replaced with squealing feedback, crashing drums, distorted organs and extended droning passages.

‘Still Water', a beautiful, strange song evoking images of lost civilisations and cultural entropy, quickly collapses into a Velvets-inspired wig-out complete with shredding Telecasters, tambourines and shaky Moe Tucker percussion. The ruralist elements of the previous album are stretched to breaking point with the epic, Jansch-esque 'Flowers in Her Hair', then turned on their head with a transgressive cover of Hüsker Dü's 'Diane', reinterpreting a punk classic as a folk murder ballad.
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I can't flipping wait, meself.

Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

absolutely - twee idm it certainly is not. turgid pompous bollocks is certainly what it is. obviously someone's good at pr though.

rabbitman, Friday, 29 October 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah that description totally makes me want to hear it

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 30 October 2004 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I like a lot of Gravenhurst! They are sorta how you would imagine Jandek sounding if he signed to Sony and went into a studio.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 30 October 2004 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

it's very Drake crossed with sublte electronic backgrounds (less of that on the record though actually). The album is very good.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

The first thing I said to myself was strummy-folky guitar on WARP??? I was totally wrong and I think it's enormously good. Kyle is right about the subtle electronic backgrounds. and I'm glad it didn't become some IDM glitch-nottica piece.

burnt apple cider, Saturday, 30 October 2004 05:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i reviewed it for the new nme. love gravenhurst. nice guy and knows his music. here is an interview:

http://www.poptones.co.uk/interviews/qod_nick_talbot_gravenhurst.htm

doomie x, Saturday, 30 October 2004 06:46 (nineteen years ago) link

The electronic bits are there but I doubt anyone would feel the need to mention them if he wasn't on Warp and they felt it neccessary to justify this to themselves for some bizarre reason. The new one is pretty good but the proper album is better. It has songs called 'Damage I' and 'Damage II' which I like

DJ Mencap0))), Sunday, 31 October 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I reviewed "Flashlight Seasons" for Stylus:

The opening track on Flashlight Seasons begins and already I’m reaching for the liner notes. Is this really the hot new talent on Warp? I check again – yes it states quite clearly “Warp Records 2004”. So…this must be a different Warp Records than the Sheffield label that brought such electronic staples as Aphex Twin, Autechre and Boards of Canada to the fore, right? Wrong.

So no—no robo-drill cut-up mayhem, no samples of next door’s dogs fucking, no post-rock algorithms and no three-hour re-contextualised ambient workouts. Instead a mere sapling of an acoustic guitar picks its way through the first bars of “Tunnels” and then a broken voice is heard to murmur “1, 2, 3, 4”.

Said voice belongs to West Country singer/songwriter Nick Talbot, a man who would have made Nick Drake look like Henry Rollins on an intravenous steroid drip. A DIY approach to recording and mastering means he doesn’t need to leave his bedroom and y’know, do exercise and nasty rough things like that. Recently joined by drummer Dave Collingwood and multi-instrumentalist Paul Nash, Talbot specialises in haunting pastoral acoustica that hangs in the air and chills you like the softest of autumn breezes.

But why am I so surprised that such a record exists on Warp? After all, the label has been releasing “rock” albums by acts such as Tortoise, Broadcast and Vincent Gallo for ages, so it should follow that Flashlight Seasons be released about now. And yet it doesn’t. Whereas the latter three acts fit in with the, errr... “warped” sensibilities of Warp, Gravenhurst are all roll-neck sweaters and sensible haircuts—gentle folk balladry for the Audi generation. There is little here to mess with your head, and while the music isn’t exactly AOR, there is a pervading feeling that this could have been recorded out of the Beautiful South on one of his darker days.

It’s a bit of a shame that more wasn’t made of these songs, though. Talbot is by-and-large a talented songwriter, evoking ghostly Dickensian images of twilight encounters and early-morning mischief in the English woodland, but the minimal production is not as liberating as he may lead himself to believe. Each track features Nick’s light falsetto vocal backed by fingerpicked guitar, a smattering of synth-work and the very gentlest of drumming. As a self-confessed maximalist, I’d like to have seen these spectral tales taken to another level—I want a full orchestra, backing choir and an accompanying DVD documentary of brutal killings on the moors. As it happens, Gravenhurst’s current musical approach does little to hide the fact that it’s all, well, rather wussy to be honest.

My major complaint is Talbot’s voice, a reed-thin nasal whine that cuts through the atmospheric synths and does little to evoke the true sentiment of his songs. “The Diver”, an otherwise excellent track, is destroyed by Nick’s earnest simpering to the point where every in-breath sounds like a nail on a chalkboard. The wussiness ensues, and I find myself having to rewind on track 3, “I Turn My Face to the Forest Floor”, because he actually sings the words “murdering fuckhead” to unintentionally hilarious results.

However, there are points where Gravenhurst come into their own. “Damage II” features some especially pretty guitar work, breaking from the rather monotone strum’n’pick of the rest of the album. Elsewhere, the instrumentation on “Bluebeard” hints at what Gravenhurst will likely achieve on later outings, a slight production that builds and builds around whimsical synths and harmonica.

Everything on Flashlight Seasons is well-meant, but it just lacks that certain punch that will take the band into the darkly romantic world they wish to inhabit. Perhaps with Talbot’s newly-joined bandmates, and a little more cash at their disposal, the songs will come into their own. Till then, mucking around with 8-tracks won’t cut the mustard for Gravenhurst’s vision.

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 31 October 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

stylus.com reviewer missing the point non-shocka'...

doomie x, Sunday, 31 October 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

what is the point?

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 31 October 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

homework for tonight: play 'ballad of a thin man' thirty times over.

doomie x, Sunday, 31 October 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

haven't got that one.

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 31 October 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

okay, so i heard it now. what has this got to do with Gravenhurst, doomie?

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 1 November 2004 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Not much like Nick Drake, not terribly folky, although the Bert Jansch comparison does make sense, & there is an instrumental track halfway through the album which reminds me a good deal of John Martyn's 'Small Hours'.
Think of the Smiths' 'Back to the Old House' or 'Stretch Out & Wait' plus some Smon & Garfunkel harmonies.

bham, Monday, 1 November 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

his lyrics are terrible, so disastrously awful they spoil the whole thing for me. good guitar player though.

debden, Monday, 1 November 2004 09:57 (nineteen years ago) link

love the new Gravenhurst mini lp .. not sure i could stand a whole album .. but for 30 mins on a dark night its seriously appropiate.

mark e (mark e), Monday, 1 November 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

He did a great version of Husker Du's "Diane" at Ashton Court this year.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 1 November 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

thats on the new ep/minilp .. tis weird .. such sweetness sounds matched against such nasty lyrics ..

mark e (mark e), Monday, 1 November 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Ohh All fair points made about Nick & G'hurst...
only one thing is freaking me out.
He's not from the West Country more specifically Bristol
He's from Surbiton in Surrey.
Fact- virtually no one in Bristol who is an artist/musician or creator of any description is actually FROM Bristol, few exceptions
escape this.

Carla Edwards (Effing Nora), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

aspects/bronze age fox - bristol people through and through - or not ?

mark e (mark e), Monday, 1 November 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Jesse Morningstar is Bristolian. Aspects, Bronze Age Fox, Hacksaw, Bucky...

Grant out of Massive Attack born in Brislington, you can't get much more famous Bristle than that (even if it is South Of The River). Shall I mention Gary Clail?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 1 November 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

ahhh .. gary c .. there were rumours recently that he had returned to the town.

i chased for interview/lunch hour pint .. but never heard back

mark e (mark e), Monday, 1 November 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Most of the Flying Saucer Attack and related bands were proper Brizzle weren't they? What does it matter anyway?

DJ Mencap0))), Monday, 1 November 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think she said no one ever in the history
of the world was from Bristol.
He's to mass dissection!

Effing Nora (Effing Nora), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
So... "Fires in Distant Buildings"?

Would you like a dash of, ooh... Mogwai with your Simon & Garfunkel, sir?

A rather splendid sliver of krautyfolknoisepop. "The Velvet Cell" is bloody gorgeous. Yeah, "See my Friends" maybe goes on a bit too long for what it is, but still, the rest of it is pretty fine.

I've seen them three times in the last six months and they really are a super live band. They have a great, propulsive drummer, and they move from big noise wig-outs with all the pedals on eleven to beautiful minimal melancholia at the drop of a hat.

Ranking Rupert (Ranking Rupert), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

how have they progressed since flashlight seasons?

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 4 November 2005 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

saw them support Mark Stewart and the Mafia recently, have to say the newer stuff didn't really do much, it came over as fairly normal indie styled post rock, quiet-quiet-loud-fucking loud-quiet. repeat. but i suspect that on record its got more going on in the mix, as their mini-lp was a real grower.

mark e (mark e), Friday, 4 November 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm fairly taken with the new record, but the two really long tracks don't do nearly enough to justify the 20 minutes or so of the CD they take up

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 4 November 2005 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

The new album has a couple of really great tracks: the single (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8dJJl1n1Zqc -- terrible video, all their videos are terrible) and the cover of Farewell, Farewell by Fairport. Latter in particular sounds great and can be streamed on Bleep: http://bleep.com/?bleep=WARP157D. UK/Europe tour starts in a couple of weeks.

caek, Monday, 1 October 2007 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I picked up Distant Buildings a few years back, bcz of the Kinks cover "See My Friends" being used in climactic scene of the second season of Veronica Mars...only listened to that one song...only tonight am I giving it the full listen it deserves...I hear a lot of Donovan in here as well as S&G...the album is undeniably padded out..."Velvet Cell" is one of the stronger songs, but the reprise is kinda pointless...right now I'm listening to "Song from Under the Arches" I kinda like it, but I've never rly listened to Mogwai before, so I suspect I'm prolley a little more surprised & thilled by the outta-nowhere psych-noise portions than I rly oughta be...

it's nice but I'm not sure how much I like it. prhaps if my stonerhood went from "non-practising" to "full-fledged" I wd dig it more.

googling 'Ineedagirlfriend.com' (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 07:42 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

there are lots of days when this is my favourite band.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

First album in 5 years out at the end of the month.

I'm excited anyway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U4n5NG3VgAg

groovypanda, Friday, 20 April 2012 08:56 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4n5NG3VgAg

groovypanda, Friday, 20 April 2012 08:57 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Astonished by the cruel hand of fate -- just this Monday Warp rereleased some of his oldest albums as well as previously unreleased songs. Today they have just announced that he has passed on:

http://warp.net/records/gravenhurst/nick-talbot/

"We are shocked and saddened to share the news that Nick Talbot aka Gravenhurst has passed away aged 37. An immensely talented singer-songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer and journalist, he will be hugely missed. Nick's family and friends request privacy at this difficult time"
- Warp Records

"I am utterly devastated to confirm that Nick Talbot, also known under the performing name Gravenhurst, has passed away aged 37. The finest, most extraordinary and inspirational songwriter, singer and performer, and a remarkable producer and journalist, Nick’s work has deeply affected so many people all over the world. Outstandingly intelligent, compassionate, fascinating and witty, Nick was the dearest friend and his absence brings indescribable sorrow"
- Michelle Hilborne, Manager

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link

Shit this is horrible, the last two albums are so great and usually get a lot of play in my house around this time of year.

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link

He was due to be touring the UK this week...

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:37 (nine years ago) link

ugh, what a bummer! RIP.

tylerw, Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link

damn, "The Diver" is a great song. I loved Flashlight Sessions but it seemed to come from someplace dark.

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link

Lovely post at the Quietus, where he often wrote:

http://thequietus.com/articles/16843-gravenhurst-nick-talbot-rip

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link

wow this is just awful, I knew him slightly from my Bristol days. A really interesting guy and Gravenhurst were/are sorely under-rated.

Ratt in Mi Kitchen (Neil S), Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link

not the biggest fan tbh but fuck, this is some sad news

sosmix klopp (NickB), Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link

right in the middle of a tour too by the looks of it

sosmix klopp (NickB), Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:37 (nine years ago) link

or on the eve of one at least

sosmix klopp (NickB), Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:38 (nine years ago) link

Wow. Just listened to a remix he did that was released the other day. Hadn't really thought of him in ages, either. I am a little shocked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ykBvsyfAI

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link

i did love this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKVSnLEzdfg

sosmix klopp (NickB), Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link

What happened?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link

i don't think that's been disclosed

sosmix klopp (NickB), Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link

it hasn't

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:03 (nine years ago) link

he was an incredibly smart guy. i didn't know him very well, but i did make him laugh once with a joke about aubrey beardsley and i remember being very proud.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link

:(

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link

what the hell happened? this is awful. those gravenhurst albums were very overlooked.

akm, Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link

this is a great cover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QfuAbJSMK8

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link

RIP

didn't know him at all really but going on the few glimpses I got of him outside of the music he released, he was genuinely insightful and on point about stuff. never heard anything but good things about him

he also did a very funny cartoon about William Bennett from Whitehouse going to the cinema

proper maoist (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:30 (nine years ago) link

That's sad to hear. Listening to the Velvet Cell (reprise) right now.

I am using your worlds, Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link

RIP

don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Thursday, 4 December 2014 21:09 (nine years ago) link

Fucking fuck.

Massive Gravenhurst fan and was going to see him next week in Bristol. Genuinely shocked and saddened by this news.

RIP Nick

groovypanda, Thursday, 4 December 2014 21:42 (nine years ago) link

still fuck

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 December 2014 05:43 (nine years ago) link

thanks caek, that was a nice piece

sosmix klopp (NickB), Friday, 5 December 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link

RIP.

Welcome To (Turrican), Thursday, 11 December 2014 04:22 (nine years ago) link

I think there needs to be some kind of official word on how he died. It's very unusual for the cause of death of any kind of well-known person not to be made public. RIP.

rising stones cross (anagram), Thursday, 11 December 2014 09:35 (nine years ago) link

genuine question : why does it matter how he died ?

if the family want to keep the detail to themselves, then who are we to demand the information.

mark e, Thursday, 11 December 2014 09:50 (nine years ago) link

indeed

Ratt in Mi Kitchen (Neil S), Thursday, 11 December 2014 09:55 (nine years ago) link

there doesn't 'need' to be an official word on how he died.

Nixon head is essential. (stevie), Thursday, 11 December 2014 09:59 (nine years ago) link

Well, a death (like a birth) is not a private matter but a public matter. A death certificate, for example, is a publicly available document.

rising stones cross (anagram), Thursday, 11 December 2014 10:26 (nine years ago) link

He wasn't a particularly well-known person and no one needs to know how he died just because they liked his music, the wishes of the family are more important here.

Matt DC, Thursday, 11 December 2014 10:52 (nine years ago) link

seriously

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 11 December 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link

Really lovely extended pair of remembrances here at The Quietus:

http://thequietus.com/articles/16895-nick-talbot-obituary

Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 December 2014 12:41 (nine years ago) link

A few weeks ago in a stupidly intransigent fit of depression I wiped 100,000 or so email conversations from my gmail account at random and even though the action initially felt liberating it soon revealed itself to be a mistake. And then last week when I received the utterly unwelcome news of Nick’s death, it revealed itself to be colossal mistake. I’d had hundreds of lengthy email exchanges with him about all kinds of subjects… subjects that he talked about with ease, wit and eloquence, whether they were concerning politics, comics, philosophy, pirate radio stations, tobacco, architecture, synth pop, psychogeography or depression. As odd as it sounds he could talk beautifully about depression - perhaps the flattest and most featureless of subjects there is to discuss. And so I found myself thinking just yesterday, ‘I’m depressed because my friend has just died and I can’t even go back and read the illuminating conversations we had about depression on email because I’ve deleted all of them. And I did that because I was depressed. Nick is the only person I know who would appreciate the irony of this. He’d find it really funny. I should drop him a line and...’

And of course I can’t. And so it goes. And so it goes.

Of course what makes it worse, is an email from Nick wasn’t just an email. It was a letter. It was correspondence. He was an epistolarian of uncommon skill. Had he been born in a slightly different age, anyone who received letters from Nick would have kept them in a sturdy wooden box, tied carefully with string or ribbon, waiting for the day - when the time was right - for them to be read and savoured and pored over again. Nick put more effort into writing an email than a lot of people put into most things they do in life, myself included. In a over-cluttered, hyper-stimulated existence, an email from Nick was the only thing in my weekly routine that demanded I shut down all the other windows on my desktop, turn off facebook and twitter, turn my music off and concentrate on what he had to say. He both demanded and deserved, your entire attention, no matter how busy you were. And this is not to say that I think Nick was a man out of step with his time I really don’t think he was at all; I just think he had brought some old values along with him on a modern trip.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 December 2014 12:42 (nine years ago) link

Two beautiful pieces.
It's a shame that I never got to see Gravenhurst live, it sounds like he was such a nice guy.
John Doran should consider editing 'The Collected Emails of Nick Talbot' (maybe as the next Quietus book?) - it's definitely something I would read.

ArchCarrier, Friday, 12 December 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link

i knew i had seen gravenhurst live, but i could not recall why/where/when.
this thread cleared the fug ..
(note to self : record more live experiences on ILM as they help the grey cells reconnect)
and yes, that tQ piece is very special.
i never met nick, and have only a fraction of his catalogue, but damn, i welled up several times reading that.

mark e, Friday, 12 December 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

TO UNDERSTAND THE KILLER
I MUST BECOME THE KILLER

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 08:35 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

I caress where my lover once lay by my side
Before I turned inwards
And forced her to fly.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 21:53 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

Listening to The Western Lands. Damn what a record. It's probably grubby to ask but did a cause of death ever come out for Nick?

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 23 October 2021 16:43 (two years ago) link

I always assumed suicide but what do I know

akm, Saturday, 23 October 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link


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