Did John Peel have any radio enemies in his long career?

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As the late, great John Peel seemed to have garnered massive amounts of humbling respect from music artists, contemporaries and listeners alike, was there any one within the industry that Peel didn't take a shine to - and why?

I heard this Chris Moyles fellah got on his wick a bit, and maybe some of the other past Radio One jocks of their time. Could he have had his enemies; could this have been true????

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Erm, have a read of 'The Nation's Favourite' by Simon Garfield and you might find a few, rather amusing answers.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Which is to say: DLT & Edmonds.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

But probably quite a few I'm forgetting.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this book still in circulation, as I know Garfield has written a few music books. Is he a credible source?

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

It's probably still about. The book is composed mostly from interviews with key players at Radio 1 from the mid to late 1990s, and is just a great read generally.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Cheers mate! It is sometimes difficult getting things like this from Australia, but I'll suss it out somewhere. Are you recording all the Radio retrospectives off Radio One by Lamacq, Nightingale, etc, and how is the playlist of the past week - are the jocks really dragging out Peel's gems and giving the playlist a shake-up as I'm hearing?

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed the Thursday one. Playlists here, though Thursday's is oddly missing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/tracklistings/peel_tracklistings_2003.shtml

(Wednesday's isn't linked off that page, but it's here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20041027)

Ballboy have been played on all three nights so far.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Bates

Bumfluff, Sunday, 31 October 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The Simon Garfield book is excellent and very,very funny. I'm very tempted to check out his new book based on the Mass observation project. He reminisces about Peel here.

As for Moyles, well according to his show on Wednesday morning, he claimed that Peel had pinched his arse and said 'you're not a bad lad really'.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 31 October 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: Moyles If it's true that he responded to listeners saying "enough Peel already!" with a "Go screw yourself - we feel like we've lost a member of our family", then he's not a bad lad really. Not 100%, anyway.

Re: Garfield I trust him entirely. Expensive Habits is even better than The Nation's Favourite. I think he understands how to do composite oral history - hence the MO book.

Acme (acme), Monday, 1 November 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

john birt

nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 1 November 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

also there's alot more to the Moyles stories, but I heard them 2nd hand.

btw - I can confirm he was 65% through the biography

nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 1 November 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Danielle Dax (remember her?) had, errrrrrrrrrrr, things to say about Peel - kind of "If you do this, I'll play your record on my show" - or so the rumour goes. Julie Burchill.

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Julie Burchill!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick K - was that how much he'd written by the time of Sonar or did he get a chance to do more, or did you speak to C4+ L3dg3r to find out?

suzy (suzy), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

He had a feud with Tony Blackburn (who he used to snidely call Timmy Bannockburn) in the 60s/70s. Peel doesn't come well out of the story. Blackburn was a typical middle-of-the-road, permagrinned, housewives-choice Radio 1 DJ with a commercial radio background. He had delusions of musical ability (he released a couple of dire records). He was garrulously enthusiastic, genuinely good-natured but a bit dim and psychologically fragile.

Peel started it with a few nasty comments informed by a hippy's distaste for an MOR sellout playing commercial rubbish. Given that "Bannockburn"s main love was Motown and soul and Peel was championing The Third Ear Band and similar, Peel's contempt for the other's taste isn't so easy to defend retrospectively.

Partly as a result of Peel's hostility Blackburn was kidnapped and threated by a bunch of nutters who wanted "good" music played on Radio 1.

Peel was always apologetic (and I suspect more than a little ashamed) about this episode later in life - he also ackowledged that Blackburn had actually been playing much better music than he was at the time.

Frankiemachine, Monday, 1 November 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

has Burchill ever presented on radio tho?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 1 November 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

C4+ L3dg3r - aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

stelfox, Monday, 1 November 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

re Danielle Dax, the story I heard was that her and Karl Blake had turned up unannounced at Peel Acres in the days of the Lemon Kittens and made a bit of a nuisance of themselves.

S

Soukesian, Monday, 1 November 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Partly as a result of Peel's hostility Blackburn was kidnapped and threated by a bunch of nutters who wanted "good" music played on Radio 1.

!!! when was this?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

After reading that Guardian article I wonder, does Julie Burchill like ANYTHING?

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Burchill's ex tries it.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Parsons is so wide of the mark there, it's ridiculous. It's simply one of the worst pieces of writing I've seen for a long time.

I'm sorry to hear he's never enjoyed anal sex: maybe he should try relaxing his sphincter a bit.

bham, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

So he thinks Peel played U2 and didn't play soul music... err, OK.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure he played a lot of Millie Jackson in the 70s. He certainly played Johnny "Guitar" Watson and Parliament/Funkadelic. However I'm supposing he didn't play too much soul in the late 60s/ early 70s.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The late great Mike Raven was yer man for soul on R1 round about that time. As was Emperor Rosko.

Blackburn really just played Motown and Philly - otherwise he stuck to the candyfloss MoR of the time; Pickettywitch, New Seekers, Brotherhood of Man, etc.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Emperor Rosko - yep, of course!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm sorry to hear [Paul Morley]'s never enjoyed anal sex: maybe he should try relaxing his sphincter a bit."

Maybe it's because he's already so far up there himself that there's no room to accomodate anyone else?

And while we're on the subject....

"Blackburn really just played Motown and Philly - otherwise he stuck to the candyfloss MoR of the time; Pickettywitch, New Seekers, Brotherhood of Man, etc."

Do you remember how he used to slag off reggae? Starting to play reggae versions of a song then ripping them off after a few seconds and replacing them with a Motown (or similar) / MoR version of the same song, announcing that he was now going to play us that song "properly"? Twat.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I certainly do remember that. Once Blackburn played "Sex Machine" by JB and faded it out early, saying: "All that grunting, good Lord man, go to the chemist's and buy some syrup of figs, that'll sort you out."

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

When his wife left him and he went bonkers - now that was funny

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Tesssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

That was radio for rubberneckers, that was. Every day he would play nothing but ballads about lost love and plead for Tessa to come back, interspersed with rants about the miners and Harold Wilson and threats to commit suicide.

IIRC his big song of the time was "You Were The Summer Of My Life" by Simon May; that song always got him crying.

(kids, if you've never heard "You Were The Summer Of My Life," consider yourself very lucky - it's episode four in the 279-part series "Why Punk Was Necessary")

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

You ever hear his medley of "All My Loving" and "We'll gather lilacs in the spring again"? If so, you listened to Radio 210 Thames Valley and the DJ was Mike Read.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

It was really a very odd episode in broadcasting history - a slow-motion nervous breakdown taking place before your very ears. Was this around the time Hughie Green was doing his Stand Up, Stand Up, Stand Up For Britain stuff? (xpost)

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

More or less the same time.

Ah, Hughie Green and his massed squaddies doing "Stand Up And Be Counted" in the same studios - and in the same week - as the Pistols on Grundy.

I found a copy of the single in MVE for 30p and clearly couldn't let it lie. It is beyond ghastly. "For God's! Sake! Britain! - WAKE UPPPPP!!!!"

I mean, Mike Love's also a right-wing nutcase but at least he TRIED to understand The Kids with "Student Demonstration Time." Sung through a megaphone, no less.

Oh yes, and let's not forget Pete Murray on Open House on Radio 2, May '79, Thursday morning of the election:

"A vote for Labour is a vote for Communism. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL IF YOU VOTE LABOUR."

The show was cancelled shortly thereafter.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The 70s was mad

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually saw Tony Blackburn and Tessa Wyatt slumming it in restaurant The Calcot Hotel (which as everyone knows is less than a mile down the road from the HQ of Radio "Fab FM" 210 Thames Valley) a few years ago.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

does Julie Burchill like ANYTHING?

Cats, abortions, Girls Aloud and Margaret Thatcher, as far as I can tell.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

... and Stalin

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Dunno about Radio 210 Thames Valley, but I remember "Fab" 208 Radio Luxembourg being unduly keen on the "We'll Gather Lilacs/All My Loving" medley, even putting it in their top ten, whereas in the national chart it got to 49 or something.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Pat Sharp used to come into my old local occasionally when he was at 210.

http://www.lemony.co.uk/B3ta/Page%20images/patsharp.jpg

Absolutely ludicrous haircut of course but a pleasant enough guy I suppose in a slow, dull, vacuous, bovine kind of way.

Really didn't have either the slightest interest in or the first fucking clue about music 'though.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Pat Sharpe was on 210? (I think the last time I listened was Mike Read's last prog)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm sorry to hear [Paul Morley]'s never enjoyed anal sex: maybe he should try relaxing his sphincter a bit."

Er, it was Tony Parsons who said this wasn't it?

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost x 2)

As well you know, not necessarily a prerequisite for being a DJ - cf. DLT and "Noelie" possessing no record collection. When Bob Harris went bankrupt Bruno Brookes tried unsuccessfully to impound his record collection (BH said it counted as "tools of his trade" and thus couldn't be seized by the bailiffs) on the grounds that "DJs don't need to have record collections - radio stations have libraries, don't they?"

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm sorry to hear [Paul Morley]'s never enjoyed anal sex: maybe he should try relaxing his sphincter a bit."
Maybe it's because he's already so far up there himself that there's no room to accomodate anyone else?

It's Tony Parsons we're talking about - not Morley.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)

Pat Sharp began his broadcasting career at 210 if I'm not very much mistaken; long before Mike Read, around the time they managed to pull themselves back from the very brink of oblivion by somehow managing to get "Diddy" David Hamilton and sell his show to (it seemed) just about every other independent radio station in the country.

Incidentally, he may have been the station's saviour in financial terms but I think it's fair to say Mr. Hamilton was not exactly a popular man with the rank and file at Radio 210.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Read (and Steve Wright) were two of the original lineup when 210 started.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooops sorry guys, yes, Tony Parsons.

Inexplicably managed to get two entirely different anally self-inserted former '70's / 80's NME hacks muddled up for a second then.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.mpce.com/sharp.htm

(You look. I'm not)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

All hail the Tiger and his chums

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mike Read (and Steve Wright) were two of the original lineup when 210 started."

Really? I remember Steve Wright but not Mike Read.

I've never really listened to 210 myself to be honest but had - uh - let's say "other connections" with them for a while in the early '80's.

Come to think of it 'though, I really should have known that Mike Read was at 210 back then because of his Trainspotters connection!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.radioclydereunited.co.uk/Time%20Stevens2.gif

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost: Ah, the bleak magnificence of Tony Blackburn's breakdown years, when manifest loneliness and desperation seeped through his every utterance; even the lame jokes and crap quizzes ("Name That Town") had a kind of manic, trying-too-hard quality. Albee or Miller couldn't have scripted anything finer.

Other tracks in which he wallowed ("Just listen to the words of this one"):
The Jackson's "Dreamer", Patrick Juvet's "Just Another Lonely Man", and England Dan & John Ford Coley's "Love Is The Answer", which he once played twice in a row.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(Radio Clyde xpost)

They missed out "I wanna hear...Dougie Donnell-Y!"

And Bryce Curdy - that'll teach him to play Ornette and Beefheart on a Friday evening, won't it?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I always get worried that Church/Maja/Koons is the blogging equivalent of Blackburn on Radio 1 in the mid-'70s.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.radioclydereunited.co.uk/photogallery/photo4150/Mike%20Riddoch2.gif

Sorry girls, he's married etc etc

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops

http://www.radioclydereunited.co.uk/Mike%20Riddoch2.gif

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

We were on a visit to Glasgow in the mid-'80s. Sonic Youth were doing an instore appearance at RAT Records in the Virginia Galleries (to promote Sister, so it must have been '87). Thurston Moore asked me whether there were any hip local DJs, and I gave them the names of Frank Skerrett and Mr Abie, and the number of Radio Clyde's switchboard, and told them to get in touch.

We saw them again in the Covent Garden Rough Trade shop 18 months later. Moore gave me an extremely puzzled look, as if I'd just accidentally run over his hedgehog with my lawn mower.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Him and Mr. Abie fell out when Mr. Abie said "Black Beings" by Frank Lowe would have been improved by the presence of Christian

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

... I should explain that Christian and that guy in Porridge were the only black people in Scotland in the 1970s

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Christian (or Chris McClure as his bank manager calls him) used to own (probably still does) a club in East Kilbride called Alice In Wonderland. He once booked the Jesus and Mary Chain in their very early days and sent them packing about ten seconds into their act. "We have a lot of nice, quiet people who come to our club who don't like to be disturbed," he told the Hamilton Advertiser at the time.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Tony Blackburn's self-reivention as some kind of champion of soul music in the '70's must be one of the most successful acts of re-branding ever achieved.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

About as successful as Peel's re-invention as an anti-Prog rocker

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, yes, I suppose.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"That was radio for rubberneckers, that was. Every day he would play nothing but ballads about lost love and plead for Tessa to come back, interspersed with rants about the miners and Harold Wilson and threats to commit suicide."

Is that actually true? I remember the Smashy and Nicey sequence about that, but I didn't realise it was based on Blackburn...

jim (jim5et), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

100% true

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but the kidnapping thing...

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost: Ah, the bleak magnificence of Tony Blackburn's breakdown years, when manifest loneliness and desperation seeped through his every utterance; even the lame jokes and crap quizzes ("Name That Town") had a kind of manic, trying-too-hard quality. Albee or Miller couldn't have scripted anything finer.

in fact, a stage-play drawn from the actual transmissions themselves would be wonderful...

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Partly as a result of Peel's hostility Blackburn was kidnapped and threated by a bunch of nutters who wanted "good" music played on Radio 1.

!!! when was this?

Um, don't know, sorry. I was hoping someone else could chip in some more details. I know the story is true though, it was a pretty big news event in the UK (and obv on Radio 1) for a few days.

frankiemachine, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Pat Sharp began his broadcasting career at 210 if I'm not very much mistaken

Radio City, Liverpool, I believe. Got a picture of him with a tiny Sally somewhere.

Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops. My bad. 80's DJ confusion with Paul Jordan. I'll get me coat ...

Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Could everyone please stop talking about Radio Two One Oh? In the primary school playground, this was the station that was recommended to me as an edgy alternative to Radio One. Years of confusion (establishment = BBC /= commercial imperative = establishment) followed.

People that must have listened to 210 at some point: Kenneth Branagh, Ricky Gervais, Sharon Davi(e)s, Lenny Henry, Bill Hiney.

I admired their brand perserverance in the shift from Radio 210 MW to the meaningless Two Ten FM, though. Well, I say "admired".

Stevie, if I do that stage play, you can have two tickets on opening night.

Marcello: Koons/Blackburn is not worthy of reply. How dare you!

Oh, go on, then, all of you. Talk about Two One Oh some more.

Acme (acme), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Did I mention Mike Read did the first and only punk/new wave top thirty, there?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

TESSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

that should be your title.

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)


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