Pazz and Jop.

When it comes to the "media landscape," I mean. Mostly I live in a 1972 time warp.

Glenn, upthread, thought they would start earlier this year, but that hasn't happened.

I bowed out of tabulating, so I no longer have any inside info on when, how or if this is going to happen...

There's talk that it's coming.

Of course, I just realized that earlier this year I deleted the Hotmail account where my ballot used to be sent.

did some searching and found ballot dates for the last 5 years, looks like it kept getting earlier til now

12/27/12
12/11/13
12/10/14
12/4/15
12/2/16

Yeah, as far as I could squint into my ancient and apparently almost bottomless inbox, got the same impression. There have been several years when ballots showed up after Xmas, pretty sure. If nothing by New Year's Day, let's post out lists here, okay?

Otherwise, all that work for nuthin!

glenn - does that mean furia.com/pjs will stop updating w/ 2016? :(

We gotta see if we can find pre-2008 data and have him do previous years

I would donate to a Kickstarter for that

Yeah, as far as I could squint into my ancient and apparently almost bottomless inbox, got the same impression. There have been several years when ballots showed up after Xmas, pretty sure. If nothing by New Year's Day, let's post out lists here, okay?

― dow, Sunday, 17 December 2017 20:01 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ILM's 2017 End of Year Tracks & Albums Poll / NOMINATIONS THREAD

I'm a sucker for pop-music cannons; I hope Pazz and Jop hasn't died as an institution.

We gotta see if we can find pre-2008 data and have him do previous years

I would donate to a Kickstarter for that

― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, December 18, 2017 5:02 PM (five hours ago)

totes. that site is a tremendous resource. i refer to it at least once a couple times a month, sometimes more.

A lot of info pre-2008 data is available in the Wayback Machine. I would donate to just have someone mine that data to make it useful for furia. Glenn should come up with a dollar amount to make doing that worth his time

would fund

while we're doing this can i also slip my 2011 ballot in there that i sent to VV but they did not count

I'm told the film poll is still happening this year, so I see no reason this wouldn't continue.

End of Net Neutrality, time to dust off the printer and find the big stapler, and look to way the old changing way, brothers and sisters---cue Richard Thompson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRCzvMNIZqg

And come along typos

i've used wayback machine to look thru old p&j data, some years are easier to go thru than others and for a good number of years it is basically impossible to get a full/comprehensive look at all the data (b/c wayback didn't archive some critics' ballots, for example). i would also fund any effort that would successfully reobtain all (or even a good portion of) this data tho!

iirc if you look closely you can also find some tabulation errors that were not caught prior to the published ranking or even fixed on the website's ranking (in the 90s and early 00s especially)

“Some Dude “ is tweeting that Pazz & Jop is dead. Has an official statement been issued by anyone at the Village Voice?

But someone tweeted back on the 20th at him that ballots are going out next week.

Oops, this week.

I'm told Pazz & Jop is happening; ballots going out this week

— Zach Schonfeld (@zzzzaaaacccchhh) December 20, 2017

One like on that Tweet

Ballots sent out this morning. Due 12 noon wed. January 3, 2018

Is anybody else unable to log in? Not sure if I got the wrong ID or what

wonder if the deadline is a typo, it's normally midnight IIRC

Okay, voted. Let's see if I ever receive a confirmation email...

I'm also unable to log in. Looks like some people are getting through. I've emailed the site, but nothing happening so far.

Update. Was finally able to log in thanks to a email reply from the Pazz & Jop people. A new ID number did the trick.

My login isn't working; I've emailed.

ditto

They sent me a new ID number and I voted. Always curious how many albums I'll be the only voter for. I think my record is 6/10.

I just now logged in, no prob, but while I was entering my first single, suddenly got taken to the confirmation of submission page. Went back a page, there was my ballot where I left off, so finished, hit submit, got confirmation again. So sent a query if they got the whole thing, or do I need to re-submit, with new ID? Hope they're still minding the store tonight.

i’m dreading bodak yellow’s win

It's not so much the lionization of a boring "I'm rich/fuck you" song; it's the pretending that it's so much more than that just because it's coming from a Latinx woman.

I love I’m rich fuck you songs it’s just not an especially creative or interesting one

it's the pretending that it's so much more than that just because it's coming from a Latinx woman

lol ok

ppl keep saying such bizarre things here to detract from "bodak yellow"!! it's funny y'all disliked lorde so much when she broke through b/c half of these ridiculous reaches y'all are coming up with could have been lifted directly from "royals" lol

i didn’t like that either but okay

To be clear I don’t agree with unperson. Lol

The song sucks bc it’s the same basic uncrearive derivative bs New York gets behind every year and everyone forgets about one year later

They took a beloved celeb & had her do the 30th no flocking freestyle over Asap ferg “work” beat & gave it a million dollar rollout which is more than they’d invest in any female artist famous for u know creativity or style or innovation or anything beyond charisma & the masses of lames who get their rap marching orders from rap caviar decided it was the best female rap record ever made or something. Boring

I don’t even think the song itself “sucks” really, it’s effective and well executed, it’s “fine,” but it’s fine in such a boring way & the hyperbolic overreactions are 👎🏻

I really wish more ppl had heard the Rapsody album

also agreed W D40 that NYC's thirsty trend hopping is really sad and pathetic, like one suspects Cardi, Desiigner ABoogie wouldn't even make a dent without the industry push off people wanting wanting someone who's nominally a "New York rapper" to pop.

not surprisingly, since the city is so moribund the only good rap is 40ish year (Griselda crew being younger as the exception) old practitioners of the lost art, but basically taking the Sean P (RIP Decepticon Sean)/MF Doom mode of doubling down on commerically unviable 90s styles, but pushing them even farther into dark back alleys, lost in multisyllabic rhyme scheme gun talk hall of mirrors, cooking down the most cryptic and morbid elements of The Infamous and Cuban Links into Spartan nearly drumless heartbeats (Ka and Roc Marci especially), scraping together enough dough through moderately attended club dates and 5k guest verses on songs by lyrical nobodies in the Midwest. If hip hop is dead, they are the Templar knights forced to guard the cup of Herc for all eternity

booming posts deej

I really wish more ppl had heard the Rapsody album

Seconded.

To be clear I don’t agree with unperson. Lol

This has been crystal clear as long as we've both been on ILX, don't worry. Merry Christmas!

got my login sorted out, now time to figure out if any of the songs I liked this year were singles.

'hyperbolic overreactions' where? here? i am one of like three users on ilm that i have seen admit to having a positive impression of the song, and i have yet to see anyone gush over it (the way lex probably would if he still posted here). if you mean elsewhere/the year-end lists then sure i guess.

it's the pretending that it's so much more than that just because it's coming from a Latinx woman

i actually want to respond to this in more detail instead of just being flippant and mean about it as i was above, because i think(/hope) there may have been some point intended that is more nuanced than what was actually communicated.

obviously, cardi's persona and what we as an audience know and don't know about her are inseparable from what we think the song ~means~ when we hear it. a line about not needing to strip might come across as condescending unless we believed that to be part of cardi's past (as it is); braggadocious rapping often feels more viscerally thrilling when it's delivered by someone who's emerging from hardship or obscurity*, etc. etc. anyone with any sense of how opportunity structure tends to bend along the lines of race/class/gender (i.e. any american who is honest with herself) will naturally tend to read more into the lines cardi delivers based on her identity as black, latinx, and a woman, sure. but to suggest that these aspects of her identity have shielded the song from criticism (they certainly haven't here!) or somehow put it on the Canonization Fast Track is, uh... well, it's an argument i'd sooner expect to see on /mu/ than on ilm.

(* side-note, i don't buy deej's contention that cardi b was a celeb before this song -- social media celeb, maybe, but even today that means nothing in the grand scheme of things. and maybe i'm just naïvely buying into pr stories here, but fancy video aside, i'm not even sure if this song's launch was actually aggressive by major label standards? it didn't even seem like her team was sure if it would be 'the hit'.)