"Spoken Like A True MP3 Blogger"

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This is an exchange from the comments box on my blog:

I should probably mention that I'm not totally into everything on the Gwen record, though I pretty much adore the entirety of side a (up through "Luxurious") and I like "Serious" and "Crash" a lot too.

Matthew

Oh now you backpedal. Fuck you spazz. Your ardent, near blood-curling defense of her album which amounted to super-moist praise beyond ejaculation and the vociferous attack on the "pro" reviewers who blasted it make you sound like the biggest ass. Ironic since you go after these people for similar reasons. Your conclusions about their dislike of the album is exactly the type of hyperbole crap that makes up most record reviews when a writer likes to find a neat angle and hear themself talk. You are no better than them and your condescending attitude is for shit. You are overlooking one very simple reason for the negative reaction to this album: it fucking sucks.

Earl

Not really, Mr. Vitriol. I tend to judge records on averages. I would rate half of the Stefani record as being excellent, one fourth of it as being very good, and the rest as being good but not great. That's waaaaay better than most records, and I hear a whole lot of them. Either way, I'm not so hung up on records being consistently great. I'm pretty forgiving of filler, since I simply elect not to listen to those songs and focus on the stuff that I do enjoy. To me, an album with only one or two really amazing songs is a LOT better than a record made up of consistently so-so material, even if the rest of the record is very bad.

Matthew

Spoken like a true MP3 blogger. See, that's exactly the problem with your ilk these days. There's a total lack of appreciation or even understanding about what makes a good ALBUM. You have no attention span and instead get fixated on the one or two songs you can DJ from your iPod, put on a mix list, or post on your blog. But hey, if it makes you feel cool then keep on rockin' it.

Peace out...or whatever the fuck you people say.

Earl

I definitely appreciate albums, I just recognize that not everyone makes really solid records, though quite a lot of people are capable of making excellent songs. It seems really dumb to shut out good music just because the artist isn't consistent enough to fill out an album with non-stop quality.

Matthew

So what do you make of this Earl guy? Old fogey rockist, or a guy with a real point?

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

again, I care not.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Clearly Earl is a bit of a jerk - he called you a 'spazz' for God's sake. And it's hard to tell if he has a point as he didn't give any criteria for what makes a good album himself - I suspect it would only be vague mystical mumblings about Pet Sounds and Sargeant Peppers. So yeah, kind of rockist, certainly rude Oh, but he is OTM about Stefani, though.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

My guess is that talking about songs as opposed to talking about albums *on average* leads to more sudden peaks and valleys in your descriptions/reactions. This is not always the case, but just by the nature of how many songs one can talk about in the span of a week compared to the number of albums in the same timespan, it seems like you'd have more opportunities to talk about something you *really* liked or *really* didn't. I'm guessing people accostomed to reading about records aren't used to that.

Which is to say, I guess I agree w/your defense to this guy, Matthew.

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

mp3 bloggers say peace out?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

well matthew you say in the comments that the record is really bad yet in yr write-up you lambast critics for giving THE ALBUM a bad review... do you see the contradiction there? the glossy critic isn't being asked to highlight the good song or two, he/she is being asked to give a buy/sell recommendation on the thing, basically. and that stefani albums needs to be SOLD. as for your critique of david browne, i will only say that he is a good critic, and ew are one of the most forward-thinking mainstream publications around.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that guy definitely wrote those comments from a place of insecurity (esp. when he says stuff like "if it makes you feel cool.."), but I wonder if maybe there is a downside to the way that I process music now as a result of doing the blog. Basically, I go through lots and lots of records looking for good songs and barely spend time with anything that doesn't grab me right away unless it's by an artist that I have a history of liking. (For example, if Around The Sun was recorded by anyone other than REM, I probably would have never listened to it more than twice.) The upside is that after about three years of consuming music in this way, I have a much happier relationship with music in general, I'm more open to a wider range of music, and I've found a LOT of great songs by artists who I probably wouldn't have ever bothered with if I focused on the old album-must-be-solid model of listening to records. Normally, I don't feel as though I'm missing out, but I don't know, maybe I have.

Yancey, I never at any point said that the Gwen album was at all "bad"!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

and, hate to say it, cloaking a half-hearted defense of a record in claims of rockism and sexism seems almost to be an admission of defeat. why dress up your argument in superwords that immediately put you on the good side and everyone who disagrees on the bad side? unless they come with elaborate explanations, it would be smart to avoid that sort of language, i think, matthew.

and none of this is meant to be an attack on you personally or even you as a critic (i dunno if you even consider yourself one, come to think), but while earl's arguments are k-lame, yours aren't k-great either. (this comes from someone who has absolutely NOTHING at stake in the subject of the argument -- gwen -- but gets annoyed with tiffs like these.)

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oh shit yr right. i completely misread this part:

"Not really, Mr. Vitriol. I tend to judge records on averages. I would rate half of the Stefani record as being excellent, one fourth of it as being very good, and the rest as being good but not great. That's waaaaay better than most records, and I hear a whole lot of them. Either way, I'm not so hung up on records being consistently great. I'm pretty forgiving of filler, since I simply elect not to listen to those songs and focus on the stuff that I do enjoy. To me, an album with only one or two really amazing songs is a LOT better than a record made up of consistently so-so material, even if the rest of the record is very bad."

apologies, matthew.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that your way of enjoying music is perfectly legitimate, Matthew (I can't imagine what an illegitimate way of listening to music would be), and if anyone's suggesting that you have to sit through the crap tracks to listen to the stuff you love, then I think they're crazy.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

As for David Browne and EW, I really like EW and I agree that it's a very forward-thinking pop publication. It's the only magazine that I read regularly. I think that's part of why I was surprised by Browne's really weird, out-of-touch comments about the Gwen record - he's usually a lot better than that. I respect that he doesn't like the record, that's not really the problem.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I do regret building my defense of the Gwen record on a sexism/rockism argument. I stand by what I wrote yesterday, but I think that it probably wasn't the best way to write about the music. I probably should've just stuck with the money/nouveau riche angle and left it at that. But y'know, I don't have an editor, and I try to keep a daily deadline, so sometimes the more wrong-headed but passionate review wins out over something more polite and considered. A lot of it had to do with me getting really into the record and thinking "oh man, I bet everyone else is loving this as much as I am" and then reading about five or six pretty rough reviews in one day. I got defensive.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

no need to apologize matthew, and i'm sorry if what i wrote rankled you.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

No worries. I'm just a bit rankled in general today.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

and, hate to say it, cloaking a half-hearted defense of a record in claims of rockism and sexism seems almost to be an admission of defeat. why dress up your argument in superwords that immediately put you on the good side and everyone who disagrees on the bad side? unless they come with elaborate explanations, it would be smart to avoid that sort of language, i think, matthew.

Definitely have to agree on this one. This is bad mojo all around, and I haven't liked many similar examples of its ilk.

Arguing for the love of a song is no bad thing at all, which you of course know implicitly. That said, while I see your point about how an album with a couple of spectacular songs can trump a generally indifferent one, I think there's no reason why you can't just simply say, "Look, ditch the album, just keep these couple of winners" instead of trying to defend the album format as such in that case. I would NEVER go around saying that the Beyonce album was great just because "Crazy in Love" was spiff, because I thought just about everything else was draggy, dull and useless. The presence of "Crazy in Love" doesn't make the album automatically better than, I dunno, any album I've heard by Springsteen, it just means that there's a really great song to hear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I am an advocate of both using 'peace out', as well as at least half of the Stefani record.

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't even imagine wanting to interact with this guy. Responding to that kind of bile seems pointless; let it sit there like the sadsack aggression it is. Just look at the comment, say "wow! a hater! cool!" and move on.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't even imagine wanting to interact with this guy

ok well, I can IMAGINE, I just mean that from my current standpoint (1:20pm) it seems painful to do.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

and dude, "Superpowers," "Time Bomb," "Following Through," "You Are Invited," and "Back And Forth" are gonna bite you on the ass one day. Have you listened to the D-Plan since getting into Travistan? I'd bet you'd like 'em a lot more now, especially you'd be attuned to Travis's lyrical style.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

See, that's exactly the problem with your ilk these days. There's a total lack of appreciation or even understanding about what makes a good ALBUM. You have no attention span and instead get fixated on the one or two songs you can DJ from your iPod, put on a mix list, or post on your blog.

Oh, bullshit.

Some of us enjoy music on a per-song basic - end of story, and the internet has nothing to do with with it. I was buying seven- and twelve- inch vinyl in junior high school because I knew bloody well that I didn't need a whole damn album of most of the artists I liked. Technology has just made the wheat-from-chaff-extraction process easier.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I like "You Are Invited" a lot, Anthony. Not nearly as much as the best songs from Travistan or "A Life Of Possibilities," though.

Oh man, do I ever love "A Life Of Possibilities."

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Christ! What the fuck is wrong with Earl?!?! Did he buy the Gwen album on your recommend or something?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Miccio is right. People like that deserve absolutely no response other than "fuck you dickhead" or something similar. They're not going to listen to reasoned replies because they don't care enough to discuss things reasonably.

Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Earl HAS to be a failed writer.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Aren't we all.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

(sorry - I mean that in a loose, possibly meaningless way)

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, Earl did post a final thing and it was sort of amicable:

"I follow you but you're patently wrong. But if what you provide here is a service that weeds out 95% of the crap from an album so that the rest of us know to just download the one song and not waste our money on the rest then thank you. Keep up the great work."

--Earl

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a winner, Alba.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually "bitter and jealous" is more accurated than "failed" for this guy. He definitely must bear some serious resentment towards the world for a) not recognizing his righteousness and b) changing on him.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I would say that it is true that maybe 50-60% of the time, my site does act like a filter that skims for good songs on otherwise unrecommendable records.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he will die a lonely death with a coherent album up his arse.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"ardent, near blood-curling defense" and "super-moist praise beyond ejaculation" = wow, has indie music-crit got a lot to answer for.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I would say that it is true that maybe 50-60% of the time, my site does act like a filter that skims for good songs on otherwise unrecommendable records.

sshhh!!! that kind of self-awareness is gonna get you in trouble!!!

but seriously, while I myself would probably do the same thing if I was hosting mp3s, if someone really loves a track they'll do some exploring even if the person who shared it doesn't like the rest of the album. They're not going to take your word as gospel, so don't worry about it.

indie music-crit got a lot to answer for

Oh it goes back to the Noise Boys, at least.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Blood can curl?

(I'm assuming that he meant "curdling" but who knows.)

Anthony, I normally just avoid talking about the albums that songs come from unless I have something that I want to say about the record as a whole (so Travis Morrison and Gwen Stefani are exceptions to the rule.) I don't want to discourage anyone from buying a record and making up their own mind about the quality, especially when it comes to artists who need all the sales help they can get.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"Fuck you spazz. Your ardent, near blood-curling defense of her album which amounted to super-moist praise beyond ejaculation and the vociferous attack on the "pro" reviewers who blasted it make you sound like the biggest ass ...You are no better than them and your condescending attitude is for shit. You are overlooking one very simple reason for the negative reaction to this album: it fucking sucks

...Keep up the good work."

Hahahaha. YOU SUCK MATTHEW PLEASE PUT MORE FREE MUSIC IN MY PALMS K THNX BYE.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I normally just avoid talking about the albums that songs come from

I've noticed and it's commendable. I don't think I'd be able to avoid shrieking DO NOT BUY THIS ALBUM!!! HERE, TAKE TRACK 8 AND RUN AWAY!!!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"Blood can curl?"

Even if it could curdle it would be a very poor metaphor.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a winner, Alba.
-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), November 30th, 2004.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/sexymollusk/winner.gif

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems both matthew and earl are insecure and angry young men. matthew is just more passive.

and i suspect matthew was anticipating/hoping for a response like earl's by, as yancey said, putting anyone who doesn't like the record on "the bad side". i hereby declare matthew perpetua the george w. bush of bloggers.

shut up, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh lord.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i suppose the dislike of gwen & pop = misogyny angle is asking for it.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"It's political correctness gone mad!"

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

hey! curb that anger!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Hold me back, Matos!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i hereby declare matthew perpetua the george w. bush of bloggers.

see instead of debating, you can just let a pull quote speak for itself! it's fun!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

plus italics allow you to emphasize the absurdity of a statement in a way that seems classier than repeating what the person said in a high pitched, nasal voice.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

why do you guys hate my freedom?

shut up, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

why do you guys hate my freedom?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Italics sound like Don Pardo!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

But if what you provide here is a service that weeds out 95% of the crap from an album so that the rest of us know to just download the one song and not waste our money on the rest then thank you.

talk about seeing the glass as half empty! i believe matthew's "service," if you want to call it that, is to celebrate songs that are great. it's pretty much as simple as that, isn't it?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, I think there's something in this comment:

I wonder if maybe there is a downside to the way that I process music now as a result of doing the blog. Basically, I go through lots and lots of records looking for good songs and barely spend time with anything that doesn't grab me right away

About 5-6 years ago my personal pattern of music consumption was to go down to the record shop once a fortnight, get a stack of all the new 12"s and listen to them all. I'd play each one for between 2 and 16 bars, discarding any that I instantly hated, or that were boring then listen to the shortlist again, picking out the ones that had some sort of instant hook. Never listened to albums, never bought cds.

And most of those records never brought me any long-term joy. I had to revisit that period years later and find all the good records that hadn't had that instant impact.

So I know what you mean - if you browse very quickly through large quantities of music looking only for an immediately perceptible punctum you can miss out on a lot of things that are slower to make an impression, but that you can really grow to love.

Maybe it's a necessary evil of having to sift through the vast quantities of music out there, but I think it does prejudice consumption towards the "smack you in the face" school of music rather than the "tickly you under the chin" one.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)


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