I should probably mention that I'm not totally into everything on the Gwen record, though I pretty much adore the entirety of side a (up through "Luxurious") and I like "Serious" and "Crash" a lot too.
Matthew
Oh now you backpedal. Fuck you spazz. Your ardent, near blood-curling defense of her album which amounted to super-moist praise beyond ejaculation and the vociferous attack on the "pro" reviewers who blasted it make you sound like the biggest ass. Ironic since you go after these people for similar reasons. Your conclusions about their dislike of the album is exactly the type of hyperbole crap that makes up most record reviews when a writer likes to find a neat angle and hear themself talk. You are no better than them and your condescending attitude is for shit. You are overlooking one very simple reason for the negative reaction to this album: it fucking sucks.
Earl
Not really, Mr. Vitriol. I tend to judge records on averages. I would rate half of the Stefani record as being excellent, one fourth of it as being very good, and the rest as being good but not great. That's waaaaay better than most records, and I hear a whole lot of them. Either way, I'm not so hung up on records being consistently great. I'm pretty forgiving of filler, since I simply elect not to listen to those songs and focus on the stuff that I do enjoy. To me, an album with only one or two really amazing songs is a LOT better than a record made up of consistently so-so material, even if the rest of the record is very bad.
Spoken like a true MP3 blogger. See, that's exactly the problem with your ilk these days. There's a total lack of appreciation or even understanding about what makes a good ALBUM. You have no attention span and instead get fixated on the one or two songs you can DJ from your iPod, put on a mix list, or post on your blog. But hey, if it makes you feel cool then keep on rockin' it.
Peace out...or whatever the fuck you people say.
I definitely appreciate albums, I just recognize that not everyone makes really solid records, though quite a lot of people are capable of making excellent songs. It seems really dumb to shut out good music just because the artist isn't consistent enough to fill out an album with non-stop quality.
So what do you make of this Earl guy? Old fogey rockist, or a guy with a real point?
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)
Which is to say, I guess I agree w/your defense to this guy, Matthew.
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Yancey, I never at any point said that the Gwen album was at all "bad"!
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)
and none of this is meant to be an attack on you personally or even you as a critic (i dunno if you even consider yourself one, come to think), but while earl's arguments are k-lame, yours aren't k-great either. (this comes from someone who has absolutely NOTHING at stake in the subject of the argument -- gwen -- but gets annoyed with tiffs like these.)
x-post
oh shit yr right. i completely misread this part:
"Not really, Mr. Vitriol. I tend to judge records on averages. I would rate half of the Stefani record as being excellent, one fourth of it as being very good, and the rest as being good but not great. That's waaaaay better than most records, and I hear a whole lot of them. Either way, I'm not so hung up on records being consistently great. I'm pretty forgiving of filler, since I simply elect not to listen to those songs and focus on the stuff that I do enjoy. To me, an album with only one or two really amazing songs is a LOT better than a record made up of consistently so-so material, even if the rest of the record is very bad."
apologies, matthew.
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Definitely have to agree on this one. This is bad mojo all around, and I haven't liked many similar examples of its ilk.
Arguing for the love of a song is no bad thing at all, which you of course know implicitly. That said, while I see your point about how an album with a couple of spectacular songs can trump a generally indifferent one, I think there's no reason why you can't just simply say, "Look, ditch the album, just keep these couple of winners" instead of trying to defend the album format as such in that case. I would NEVER go around saying that the Beyonce album was great just because "Crazy in Love" was spiff, because I thought just about everything else was draggy, dull and useless. The presence of "Crazy in Love" doesn't make the album automatically better than, I dunno, any album I've heard by Springsteen, it just means that there's a really great song to hear.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)
ok well, I can IMAGINE, I just mean that from my current standpoint (1:20pm) it seems painful to do.
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)
Oh, bullshit.
Some of us enjoy music on a per-song basic - end of story, and the internet has nothing to do with with it. I was buying seven- and twelve- inch vinyl in junior high school because I knew bloody well that I didn't need a whole damn album of most of the artists I liked. Technology has just made the wheat-from-chaff-extraction process easier.
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)
Oh man, do I ever love "A Life Of Possibilities."
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)
"I follow you but you're patently wrong. But if what you provide here is a service that weeds out 95% of the crap from an album so that the rest of us know to just download the one song and not waste our money on the rest then thank you. Keep up the great work."
--Earl
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)
sshhh!!! that kind of self-awareness is gonna get you in trouble!!!
but seriously, while I myself would probably do the same thing if I was hosting mp3s, if someone really loves a track they'll do some exploring even if the person who shared it doesn't like the rest of the album. They're not going to take your word as gospel, so don't worry about it.
indie music-crit got a lot to answer for
Oh it goes back to the Noise Boys, at least.
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)
(I'm assuming that he meant "curdling" but who knows.)
Anthony, I normally just avoid talking about the albums that songs come from unless I have something that I want to say about the record as a whole (so Travis Morrison and Gwen Stefani are exceptions to the rule.) I don't want to discourage anyone from buying a record and making up their own mind about the quality, especially when it comes to artists who need all the sales help they can get.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)
...Keep up the good work."
Hahahaha. YOU SUCK MATTHEW PLEASE PUT MORE FREE MUSIC IN MY PALMS K THNX BYE.
― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)
I've noticed and it's commendable. I don't think I'd be able to avoid shrieking DO NOT BUY THIS ALBUM!!! HERE, TAKE TRACK 8 AND RUN AWAY!!!
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)
Even if it could curdle it would be a very poor metaphor.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/sexymollusk/winner.gif
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)
and i suspect matthew was anticipating/hoping for a response like earl's by, as yancey said, putting anyone who doesn't like the record on "the bad side". i hereby declare matthew perpetua the george w. bush of bloggers.
― shut up, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)
see instead of debating, you can just let a pull quote speak for itself! it's fun!
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― shut up, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)
talk about seeing the glass as half empty! i believe matthew's "service," if you want to call it that, is to celebrate songs that are great. it's pretty much as simple as that, isn't it?
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)
I wonder if maybe there is a downside to the way that I process music now as a result of doing the blog. Basically, I go through lots and lots of records looking for good songs and barely spend time with anything that doesn't grab me right away
About 5-6 years ago my personal pattern of music consumption was to go down to the record shop once a fortnight, get a stack of all the new 12"s and listen to them all. I'd play each one for between 2 and 16 bars, discarding any that I instantly hated, or that were boring then listen to the shortlist again, picking out the ones that had some sort of instant hook. Never listened to albums, never bought cds.
And most of those records never brought me any long-term joy. I had to revisit that period years later and find all the good records that hadn't had that instant impact.
So I know what you mean - if you browse very quickly through large quantities of music looking only for an immediately perceptible punctum you can miss out on a lot of things that are slower to make an impression, but that you can really grow to love.
Maybe it's a necessary evil of having to sift through the vast quantities of music out there, but I think it does prejudice consumption towards the "smack you in the face" school of music rather than the "tickly you under the chin" one.
― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)