nina gordon - "straight outta compton"

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another way way way back upthread:

Mash-up artists should, by logic of the outrage of this cover, be completely railed as offensive then, because they often misappropriate gangsta culture by ripping the lyrics from their intended musical content and put them over non-gangsta contexts. Fuckers.

Mash-up artists should be completely railed as offensive because they're so fucking boring.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm a little confused as to why spencer's so offended by the 24hrpartypeople scene. even if (as ned pointed out) the song never existed in that incarnation, i thought it was a nice way of getting around playing a very familiar song exactly when the audience would expect it.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck 24hrpartypeople in the fucking ass. I mean, whatever, I liked it but playing up the JOY DIVISION SAD, NEW ORDER POP angle with a couple things there made me want to fucking reach for my revolver and I don't even HAVE one.

Fleetwood Mac are an offense unto themselves, I fail to see how DMX could ruin it for them.

Allyzay Highlights The Fallacy of Radiohead (allyzay), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't understand ally's beef either!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean the movie made a pretty big point of NOT portraying ian curtis as a saddo!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, they did put in that "Louie Louie" scene 10 minutes prior to showing him hanging himself for 5 minutes...

I just strongly disliked the way they portrayed the group's musical progression in the film.

Allyzay Highlights The Fallacy of Radiohead (allyzay), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i never heard that frente cover as ironic.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not. I mean, honestly.

If you play it too straight then people accuse you of "not having any right to sing it, because you can't feel the emotions/connect with the meaning/understand the song" and if you be funny and ironic then you're not giving the fucking touchstone the respect it deserves.

Fuck sacred cows, it sounds nice, get over it people.
(That goes for Nina's Compton and Frente's BLT)

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 21 January 2005 07:29 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, if it feels good, do it!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 21 January 2005 07:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Further: ICE CUBE DOES NOT CARE IF YOU DEFEND HIS, OR HIS SONG'S HONOUR. Ice Cube probably ALSO thinks Nina Gordon is hot.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 21 January 2005 07:40 (nineteen years ago) link

If you play it too straight then people accuse you of "not having any right to sing it, because you can't feel the emotions/connect with the meaning/understand the song" and if you be funny and ironic then you're not giving the fucking touchstone the respect it deserves.

Fuck sacred cows, it sounds nice, get over it people.

No. It doesn't. It sounds mediocre and bland.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Pussy

Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, if it feels good, do it!

You realize you're quoting a key line in the miserable 70s TV movie Superdome. (Which I only know thanks to MST3K.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, really, it sounds like something from a college open mic. Lets not bend over backwards to not be rockist here.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

nina gordon - "straight outta compton" (273 new answers)

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

you have a point.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

has anyone ever heard U2's version of "Got Your Money", with Edge doing the Kelis part?

ha ha ha, Frente did Got Your Money tonight on their reunion tour. (chorus only, and an interpolation. but still!)

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

If Nina Gordon had covered Bob Marley's equally troubled, but more peaceable "Redemption Song" nobody would be complaining about 'irony.'

If Nina Gordon had done a half-assed, disrespectful version of Bob Marley a lot more enlightened, liberal white people would be upset.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 21 January 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"disrespectful"

those white girls sure should know their place, and not disrespect any men.

I find it very funny that people are up in arms about Nina's 'language' on this when probably everyone on this thread (inc. me) owns a rap album with the word 'faggot' used unironically, and either doesn't care about it or actively defends it. I would think that in terms of offence Nina saying 'nigger' is similar to Ghostface saying 'faggot' (I have no problem with either).

carry on.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 January 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

seriously this thread has convinced me that a compilation called Lilith Fair Does West Coast Hip-Hop is urgent & key.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 January 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Or maybe it was me suggesting it to you over MSN last night that convinced you of that...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 January 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

reading the thread convinced me it was actually a really good idea as opposed to 'oh haha funny'.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 January 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Hrm. Any comp starting with Lilith Fair Does... is troublesome to me, although I admit I would laugh if there were one called Lilith Fair Does Dallas.

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 21 January 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

those white girls sure should know their place, and not disrespect any men.

Ah, yes. "Well, that's sexist!!!!" My reference was to Nina Gordon - not because she was the one who covered NWA, but because she is my stand-in for all white women on Earth. When I think 'woman,' I think 'washed-up alt-rock star.'

I find it very funny that people are up in arms about Nina's 'language'
Good thing I didn't refer to her 'language,' eh?

If Nina Gordon had showed even a tiny amount of passion for or interest in her source material, even if her song sucked, OK. But she didn't. She went for the cheap, lazy gag that's been done a million times before. And she purposely chose a genre, act and a song that continues to merit laughter and derision from her fan demographic, material and context laden with racial overtones.

It's not my fault she opened herself up to questions of unconscious racism. Maybe if her version wasn't stilted and boring, it wouldn't have come up.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 21 January 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

If Nina Gordon had showed even a tiny amount of passion for or interest in her source material, even if her song sucked, OK.

Nobody gets up in arms when someone does a lazy cover of a rock song. Why is NWA entitled to more "respect" just because they're a hiphop group?

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 21 January 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Nobody gets up in arms when someone does a lazy cover of a rock song.

I'm pissed when my time gets wasted if it sucks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 January 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Well then! I stand corrected.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 21 January 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

And how come it's "cheap, lazy gag" when a rock person covers a rap song, but not so when, say, a jazz group covers a rock song?

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 21 January 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

And she purposely chose a genre, act and a song that continues to merit laughter and derision from her fan demographic

The singer out of Veruca Salt has a fan demographic? Fuck!

DJ Mencap0))), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Because jazz is complex & shit, man! Turning a pop or rock song into jazz takes fucking WORK! YOU try vamping on "Come As You Are" w/out preparation! But, y'know, it's fucking cake to go "la la la" and strum a few chords and then hit RECORD once you're done clipping your toenails. Also, anyone with some snot between their ears can totally intuit the amount of effort exerted (or not exerted) by a performer, so, you know, fuck.

(This post brought to you by a scratched-up, unplayable copy of The Cooler and a fucking headache.)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I wouldn't claim that her phrasing is better than Cube's, but she makes some interesting choices.

Can we get a remix with two other gals taking Ren and Eazy-E's lyrics? Someone way up there gave Nellie McKay a shout, that'd work for one of 'em.

undeadsinatra, Friday, 21 January 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it is just time to stop asking why Spencer is so protective when it comes to New Order - it's just blind loyalty the likes of which few of us more fickle folk can aspire to!

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I watch NewOrderStory like once every few weeks! I even got a DVD version of the extened japanese Laser disc. I own a complete set of their collected works! I am a graphic designer because of Peter Saville. It's unhealthy I tell you!!!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

uhhhhhhh...it's healthy to have role models.

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link

THIS SONG IS SO GODDAMN BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, but New Order.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Nobody gets up in arms when someone does a lazy cover of a rock song.
"Why doesn't anyone get upset when Conan O'Brien does his drunken Irish interpretation, but boy, show up in blackface ONE TIME..."

Why is NWA entitled to more "respect" just because they're a hiphop group?
Strawman. No one said they're deserving of "more 'respect'" - respect, period.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 22 January 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

And how come it's "cheap, lazy gag" when a rock person covers a rap song, but not so when, say, a jazz group covers a rock song?
Strawman number two, actually try reading my other posts. Hint: rock people covering rap songs are spoken highly of.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 22 January 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I watch NewOrderStory like once every few weeks! I even got a DVD version of the extened japanese Laser disc. I own a complete set of their collected works! I am a graphic designer because of Peter Saville. It's unhealthy I tell you!!!

What's unhealthy is all these exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!

Allyzay Highlights The Fallacy of Radiohead (allyzay), Saturday, 22 January 2005 05:31 (nineteen years ago) link

jeez everybody, it's "just" a semi-amusing novelty song! i assume the disparity between the lyrics and the performer singing them is the intended "joke". i doubt nina gordon was trying to do anything more than that. y'alls are whiny bitchez.

the first church of latebloomer, friend of plebians and santa (reformed) (latebl, Saturday, 22 January 2005 06:42 (nineteen years ago) link

301!

donut christ (donut), Saturday, 22 January 2005 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link

For those wondering why Nina Gordon would cover "Straight of Compton", I think this thread is probably the reason why she did it.

Maybe she's got a new album coming out or was dropped by her label and is looking for another one.

"Nina Gordon, who?", many of us would've said previously. Now we've all gotten a big 300+ post reminder that she exists. Her work here is done.

Neener, Saturday, 22 January 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I think this thread is probably the reason why she did it.
Maybe she's got a new album coming out or was dropped by her label and is looking for another one.

"Nina Gordon, who?", many of us would've said previously. Now we've all gotten a big 300+ post reminder that she exists

i'm sure that argument will weigh a lot with sony.

Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Saturday, 22 January 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Not this thread specifically. Rather I mean internet buzz in general.

Neener, Saturday, 22 January 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Louise was better anyway, Grohl-shagging aside.

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Saturday, 22 January 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
http://www.iconscious.co.uk/theroadie/

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 12 February 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

personally i felt that aztec camera's cover version of "jump" by van halen took care of this whole thing once and for all.

Jim Fertile, Thursday, 17 February 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

This video just reinforces how ridiculous and over-the-top the lyrics are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6D5xpCgETk

Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link

That's actually pretty funny.

A brownish area with points (chap), Monday, 13 December 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link

The police in the video are more YMCA than LAPD.

Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Monday, 13 December 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link


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