C/D : Ian Brown's remake of "Where Angels Play"

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Haven't heard this new version of "Where Angels Play" yet, but apparently fan reaction is mixed. The original version of the song, which I think is one of the Stone Roses' best songs, was apparently never finished, and only released because their 'greedy' (as described by everyone involved in the band) record company emptied out the vaults to cash in on the Roses. I'm personally glad they did because it's a great tune. However, Ian Brown has never been pleased about the version that's out there. A lot of fans even seem to prefer the live version at Manchester 87, which has different lyrics and a slightly different melody, although I don't really like that one myself. Brown apparently wanted to set the "record" straight, so he re-recorded it as the B-side to his latest single "Time is My Everything."

So, has anyone heard this? Opinions? Also, can someone send a copy of this to my gmail account? I'm dying to hear this and comment on it.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I found that you can download a 1:00 mp3 of the new version here:

http://www.juno.co.uk/artists/Ian+Brown/

based on one listen, I'm not sure if I like this; the lyrics have been changed, in my opinion for the worse. And somehow it just sounds weird and wrong without the classic reverby Roses sound.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Sunday, 23 January 2005 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no. This is probably my VERY favourite Roses songs ever. I don't think I want to hear it messed with. Really this is like in my top 3 Roses songs, at least. I just can't bear hearing a "new" version.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 23 January 2005 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

at least he didn't cover another michael jackson song
I loved the stone roses first album,the second coming was patchy, and "if dolphins were monkeys" was pretty good,

why would he do this ?

ban irown, Sunday, 23 January 2005 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"ban irown" - I like that. "If Dolphins Were Monkeys" was indeed good. Must pull that album out soon.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 23 January 2005 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I got the full version of the song off Soulseek if anyone wants it. It's not very good, in my opinion. It's lost the innocence of the original, the lyrics are worse and less cryptic, and the ending is just plain bad. Yuck, he should have left this alone; it also sounds out of place in his current catalogue of highly produced eletronic tracks. I think remaking this was a bad idea.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised by the lack of interest in this

King Kobra (King Kobra), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

You've scared me off, in many respects. It's one of my favourite Stone Roses songs too. I'll get around to hearing it eventually, I'm sure, but I'm not in a big rush to hear one of my favourite songs ruined by one of its co-creators.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Listened to that one minute clip: I don't think its a horrible butchery or anything - the drums are punchier, the guitars less ethereal (and less interesting, IMHO). It doesn't seem as fluid or otherworldly as the original, but its good for what it is... dang, now I'm wishing I brought "The Complete Stone Roses" to work with me today...

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

after mulling it for a couple of days, I think it's safe to say that this song was slaughtered, perhaps badly enough to permanently taint it. it's weird how goddamn mediocre this song sounds in the new version; you'd never know it was a good song. yet despite hearing other people saying it was ruined, I still had to check it out myself.

maybe it is better not to hear it at all... but it's like watching horror movies when you're a kid; you know if you watch them you'll get nightmares and regret it, but yet some strange curiosity draws you in anyway.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think its a horrible butchery or anything - the drums are punchier, the guitars less ethereal (and less interesting, IMHO). It doesn't seem as fluid or otherworldly as the original

But that's exactly why it's butchery; it completely betrayed the feel for the orignal song, and turned it into some overproduced arena-rock shit. admittedly, it's largely the same song, but it's stripped completely of its otherworldliness, which I think is the whole point given the theme of the song. now it sounds like some boring bar band with "punchy" drums. and the lyrics are much worse now. And the guitarist sounds incompetent (but you'd have to listen to the outro, which isn't on that 1:00 clip).

King Kobra (King Kobra), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

This is by far my favourite Roses song - so I really hope it's not dreadful thus tarnishing any memory of the original. Have nagging feeling it will be. For god's sake, Brown!

Sarah Lambert, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone who still maintains any faith in the musical abilities of any of the Stone Roses as solo artists is sorely misguided. They are old, bitter men now.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

From that minute I don't think that sounded too bad, although similar enough to the original to make me wonder....why did he bother? The 'unfinished' element for me makes me wonder about the quite long instrumental coda on the original. Maybe the boy's got big plans for it. Either way - meh.

scotstvo (scotstvo), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw cmon... The feud between Ian Brown and Squire is a hundred times more entertaining than either a reunion or just not talking about the past (I'm looking at you Moz & Marr). Brown's solo career is filled with some terrible clunkers but I give him props for trying to do his own thing. Plus, he never really had any musical abilities, it was always more about the attitude.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It's dull this, but it does demonstrate very well the difference that subtlety can make in a song. It's basically the same thing, except it isn't as good by a mile. It'd be hard to put your finger on exactly why it's not so good. I don't really understand why Brown would consider it unfinished, especially given that little has been done to his new version. I mean, I understand being annoyed that Silvertone put it out, but it doesn't sound like it needs a lot more done to it.

I think it's fair to say about faith in the Roses' abilities, but I think it also goes to show the level of hope there was and still is, based on what was basically about a year of brilliance. It doesn't surprise me. Nick, I take it you're referring to Squire and Brown being bitter, I don't see any of that coming from Mani or Reni. Reni has in fact managed to keep his mouth shut in public for almost ten years now, which deserves a great big pat on the back.

KeithW (kmw), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The 'unfinished' element for me makes me wonder about the quite long instrumental coda on the original. Maybe the boy's got big plans for it.

Yeah, I thought that too, but no... he's left it alone, strangely enough. In fact, the new version seems less finished than the original!


They are old, bitter men now.

Squire is not a bitter old man, in my opinion. He is by far the more dignified and diplomatic of the two. Brown took shots at him in the press at every opportunity he could get since the breakup in 1995. Squire, meanwhile, didn't reply to those attacks for nearly 10 years! (Imagine yourself in Squire's shoes, where you're being publicly attacked, repeatedly by your former best friend) Instead of lashing out, which is what 95% of the population would do, he maintained a quiet dignity while Brown constantly fueled the fire of his inner rage and hurt in the press. It was only recently that Squire said anything, and even then it was not a savage attack, the likes of which Ian Brown is capable of. The "tuneless knob" comment that recently came out was also taken out of context. Here's the whole comment, taken from Q Magazine:

"When he [Ian] was stoned, he was at best a tuneless knob and at worst a paranoid mess. That made it very hard to make a record"

Anyway, I just think John is a quiet and agreeable person who is enjoying his life of doing his own thing (painting and playing the occasional gig), while Brown is the bitter one, living in the past and dragging both their names through the mud. Sure, Ian is by far the more commercially successful of the two right now, but his behavior is disgusting and unbecoming of someone whose songs talk so much about spirituality. In his own words:

"Forgive everybody and remember"
- Ian Brown, F.E.A.R.

So much for that.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

except that Squire's post-Roses work is totally execrable, whereas at least Brown seems to be trying a little harder, and with a sense of humor.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I think most people didn't give Squire a chance. His first album is quite good; I like it a lot, but it does not resemble the Roses in any way, shape or form. And his voice takes a little bit of getting used to, but I've grown to really like it. "Time Changes Everything" is probably my favorite of all the solo Roses stuff, and I've heard them all. I haven't really gotten into "Marshall's House" though.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)


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