Taking Sides: "Public Image" by Public Image Ltd. vs. "The Magnificent" by the Profesionals

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Alright, let's see if I can do this without starting off a torrent of embitterment and acrimony (see Taking Sides: "Southern Man" by Neil Young vs. "Sweet Home Alabama" by Lynrd Skynrd for those grizzly details). Similar to that thread, the latter of these two songs addresses both the singer of the former, the sentiments expressed in the song and --taking it one step further -- even mocks the style in which the former was executed.

"Public Image" was Lydon's vitriolic kiss-off to the sour ending of the `Pistols and riot act reading that asserted his own identity and independence away from both the conniving of McLaren and the increasingly narrowing margins of what had become "Punk Rock." Coupled with Keith LeVene's staccato guitar stylings, it was a bold departure from what Lydon/Rotten had been previously known for. Even his vocal style had become markedly separate from his familiar `Pistol snarl. An indelible shot across the bow and -- maybe some could get away with saying this? -- the defining blast of what would become Post-Punk.

The Professionals, by contrast, was Steve Jones' & Paul Cook's post-Pistol-project. Never as hung up on issues of conviction and integrity (or at least not in the same capacity as Lydon), Jones & Cook were happy to further tag along with McLaren's plan into its yawnsome death throes (see their participation in "The Great Rock'n'Roll Swinde" film, sinking into self-parody by perfoming with Ronald Biggs, etc.) Once that ran its course, Cook'n'Jones -- perhaps prompted by their cameos in "Ladies & Gentlemen,...the Fabulous Stains" (not sure which came first, honestly) -- formed the Professionals. More straight-ahead rock than squarely Punk or Post-Punk, the Professionals seemingly undersung debut album, I Didn't See It Coming, opens with "The Magnificent." Mimicing LeVene's choppy blasts of guitar, this opening salvo takes Lydon to task for his attack.

Who Put You On the Wall? Who's the One Who Has to Watch You Fall? Who Put You on a Pedastal? Who's the One Who Ends Up as the Fool?

Lamenting the fact that Lydon had been plucked from relative obscurity and brought to infamy and notoriety via the band they'd already formed, these Ex-Pistols bitterly fire back. It's a brilliant rock track -- perhaps not the ear-opening innovation that PiL would become known for, but a stand-up track nonetheless.

History would play it differently. Public Image Ltd. went onto further fame, where the Professionals pretty much sank without much of a trace. Jones went onto become a hired hand for many project (Chequered Past, Andy Taylor, Iggy Pop, etc. etc.). Cook leant his talents sparingly (Edwyn Collins, Chiefs of Relief), but both kept a much lower profile than their former frontman until the Pistol reuion tours in `96.

Anyway, let's hear it.

**PLEASE NOTE** By participating on this thread, you are entertaining the risk of me telling you that you suck for your opinion. This does not, however, mean that I genuinely believe you to be a studied practicioner of the subtle art of fellatio, but rather that I beg to differ with you on this particular subject. Thus, there is no need to consult your therapist or start wearing a black armband in protest.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, forgot these:

http://www.celebrity-pictures.net/images/lydon.gif http://www.cookandjones.co.uk/PROFESSIONALSUSLIVE_c.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

What the hell is Lydon doing? Throwing silver dollar pancakes in the air while saying to himself "I am so much better than this"?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Not sure about the context of that pic. I just thought it fit the concept here perfectly. "here's your filthy lucre!"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

'sank without a trace'? what about Neurotic Outsiders?

dave q (listerine), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I did say "etc. etc." (which covers Neurotic Oustiders pretty well, I'd think).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone heard Steve Jones' radio program? It's supposedly wildly entertaining.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's pretty good, what little I've caught of it. A more lucid Rodney (which might not be saying much, but still).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, not that it really matters, but Steve Jones also played on Kraut record or two.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 January 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

...and on "Love in a Void" by Siouxsie & the Banshees and Generation X's "Dancing With Myself" (his guitars were stripped from the mix when Island re-released it as a Billy Idol solo track).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 January 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Click here for Jonesy's Jukebox, 12-2PM Pacific Time, 3-5PM Eastern Time. I'm a fan.

Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the Public Image track is without a doubt a better statement song but the Professionals track rocks more.I wish the Professionals would have gotten a real singer but i guess after Rotten they were done with frontmen.
I saw the Professionals on their one & only U.S tour & they were absolutely amazing.I saw the Pistols here in Dallas also & the Prfessionals were 10 times better.Tighter,louder,better playing you name it.Jones & Cook just made this huge sound & Johhny Rotten or not i loved everything they did together.
As a matter of fact despite pedestrian songwriting i prefer the Professionals album to PIL's first.Now obviously the Metal Box album is the single greatest achievement of any post Pistols project by any of them & i would argue is the definitive post punk statement.
Once again though i think Lydon/Rottens involvement was okay but it was Levene/Wobble that created that amazing sound.Significantly nothing Rotten ever did again was even close.He was fortunate to work with the sonic architects he did early in his career.
So i guess i prefer "The Magnificent".But i really like The Professionals first single " Just Another Dream".
Tough question Alex & one that requires some thought.And yeah after The Professionals everything Jones did was hackwork.I do like Checquered Past's version of "Are You Sure Hank Done it This Way".It may be the last time Jones pulled out the standard issue Pistols guitar roar.My favorite Cook/Jones moment? Kicking into the solo break during " London" on Johnny Thunders solo album.Here Johnny is trashing the Pistols & out of nowhere comes that unmistakeable Pistols roar! Simply amazing!!!

evan chronister (evan chronister), Sunday, 23 January 2005 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i never really heard the professionals. PiL is awesome, tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha, I was about to say as much, although "awesome" seems like such faint praise in this case.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 24 January 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

whoops, i meant it as total praise. even the weak later stuff doesn't bother me that much.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 January 2005 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I knew you meant it as honest praise, I was just thinking that in contrast I could have easily written a very long hyperbolic post about how incredible it was and blah blah blah. But I don't have the energy right now.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 24 January 2005 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I admit I have never heard the Professional's, but I doubt I could like "The Magnificent" more than "Public Image".
"Public Image" was the first 'post-punk' track I ever heard, then leading me into Wire, Go4 etc. I could never openly diss PiL anyway. I love them a great deal.

Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Monday, 24 January 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Just listened to "The Magnificent." It's OK, but the vocal sucks. I can see why they entered obscurity fairly quickly. PiL by a mile.
Funny, I remember Steve Jones and Paul Cook had a gig in Newport, RI (?) the same night I went to see the Clash in Cape Cod in '82. Sorry I missed them, but obviously I made the correct choice.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 24 January 2005 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's true, Steve Jones is no vocalist.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 January 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
I'm watching a DVD with the video for "Public Image" and a few live versions of it, and I think it would win out in pretty much any Taking Sides.

Z S, Thursday, 10 May 2007 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

The "Stains" film had loads of "Professionals" songs. So I guess it came after the album. Although the album took ages to come out, so maybe it was 'during'...

Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:23 (nineteen years ago)

eight years pass...

New 3cd set, "The Complete Profesionals", is out and does what it says on the tin. Fun to have though three discs is a *lot* of Professionals and friends.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:42 (ten years ago)


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