“Punk has been co-opted, and this subterranean noise music and the avant-garde folk scene have replaced it.”

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“Punk has been co-opted, and this subterranean noise music and the avant-garde folk scene have replaced it.” Thurston Moore.

― Antonio DePietro, Monday, 24 January 2005 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

...c. 1983, right?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

booooooooooooooooring

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I slagged Devendra on my blog yesterday.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.spin.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=521

hey tim, you ever seen devendra live?

he's quite a character. now granted, i'm a bit over a bunch of the new weird folk america crap, but...

i think the quote above kinda speaks to where certain show going populace's spend their rock show dollars these days. actually, over the last few years really... many of the hardcore kids from the 90s have turned into noise fans in the 00s. (if they weren't already in the 90s.)

"bored of hardcore? haven't been to a "dangerous" show in years? well, here's noise! get pissed on and go deaf!"
m.

― msp (msp), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

seems like a fairly accurate description to me (ie, "the kind of people who were going to punk shows in the 80s now go to THESE shows"

I got a soft spot for Ol' Man Moore.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 24 January 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Devendra is the greatest. Sorry you don't dig him, Tim.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/9526/sonic-youth/pics/thurston4.gif http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/9526/sonic-youth/pics/thurston4.gif http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/9526/sonic-youth/pics/thurston4.gif http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/9526/sonic-youth/pics/thurston4.gif

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't heard Devandra but I enjoyed reading that, Tim.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Historically, noise music has been narrow in sound and appeal, and the genre’s biggest American names over the years—Swans, Live Skull, Unsane, Cop Shoot Cop—have been stiff and a bit humorless.

hahahaahahaahaha.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

buh? I always thought the Swans were full of humor. Come on, they're called the Swans for chrissakes!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 24 January 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

well those four bands are rock bands. that spin aricle is, of course, worthless.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

it's definitely a stiff book report.
m.

― msp (msp), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I was gonna say... I mean, those bands had songs and arrangements and trad drums-bass-guitar instrumentation and stuff.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 24 January 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

(I love a good slag)

xposts

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a stiff inaccurate book report!

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

“We’re good-time boys,” Olson says in a salt-of-the-earth Midwestern accent. “We could be intellectuals, breaking down everything we do, but we don’t really dig talking about shit like that. We’re like, ‘Dude, that rules—give me another slice of pizza.’”

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

was Cop Shoot Cop the band with TWO bass players? I can't remember...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 24 January 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ask alex in nyc!

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I would shit gold to read an article about noise bands that doesn't read like I Love The 80's no-wave/hardcore edition

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

and i don't really think of lightning bolt as a noize band either. but obviously there's enough overlap people- and aesthetic-wise that i'll let that slide.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 January 2005 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah... that's true... it's like the round of no wave that has happened in the last couple years... or the brutal prog... noise isn't necessarily what they are... but rock + some noise or misunderstood something.
m.

― msp (msp), Monday, 24 January 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

again it's a funny "history written by the winners" situation, so prevalent in the lazy rock crit world, where it's like something just comes outta nowhere, when NO, IT'S OLD AND DIRRTY.

or not even that old, but you know what i mean. slight uptick in popularity? sure. but most of what's going is people who have more in common with msbr or something than unsane (a great metal band!).

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 January 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

the terminology is troublesome if you think too hard about it. punk music & noise music are musics with traditions & any new stuff kinda fits in context. the important thing is the bit before that about the unmainstreaming

you can't hear my band

it's a secret

― autovac (autovac), Monday, 24 January 2005 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Thurston totally OTM abt the 'punkness' of the noise & freefolk scenes. DIY record production, distribution, touring etc etc etc. roger adultery to thread, obv.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 24 January 2005 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

little late but...
"booooooooooooooooring " - peter smith

hahahahahahahahahah

― earinfections (Nick Twisp), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, very punk: DIY record production, distribution, touring, ivy-league scenster audience, instantly approved by every major publication

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing interesting in the article really. I still maintain that Lightning Bolt is not a noise band.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

no one aruged with you fag boy

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The "meaning" of punk --> crunk
The audience for punk --> noise

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"Thurston! Watt! Thurston! I think it's ten thirty, we're calling from Providence, Rhode Island. Did you find your shit?"

― eman (eman), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

you're from the uk. You might as well talk about African pop music.

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh you meddlesome prankster you!

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

also: noise = old music scene! international!

punk = burned itself out by uhhhh whenever black flag broke up! mostly a uk / us movement in the original waves

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Buy the Scritti Politti "early" CD. Now!

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.collectorscum.com/8tracks/chipmunks.jpg

― eman (eman), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

why wasnt Weasel Walter or John Wiese interviewed for this article? where was the critical reporting on masami akita or MSBR or bastard noise or ex models or xbxrx or an albatross or friends forever? you people did a horrible job of representing the noise scene. i could shit better articles than this. have you ever even heard of hella? do some real research next time before you publish a piss poor article on something you have no clue about.

― DJ Mencap0))), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

ex models aren't noize.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

if all music is dance music.

then

is all music noise music?

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

slight uptick in popularity? sure.

But still no chicks! Noise = sausage-fest.

― Good Dog, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, punk's been co-opted?? why did no-one tell me? do you think this 'electro' music will take off pops?

― Miles Finch, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

SPIN just doesn't get it. Get the fuck out of our scene. Don't make it into a fashion extravaganza like you do to every other scene. Soon shows where 30 people was a good crowd are going to be infiltrated by fashion models. I don't ever want to see David Eggers at a noise show. I will throw my own feces at the man. Nor do I want Paris Hilton standing next to me during a Prurient set.

― DJ Mencap0))), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

But still no chicks! Noise = sausage-fest

Is this at all true for the US? I know where I am, the regular noise audience seems to be pretty evenly split between the sexes. And locally at least, there's a bunch of women involved in making noise, check out the whole Blood Stereo/Decaer Pinga axis for starters.

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Dunno about the US but it has always been a man thing in my experience . Girlfriends get dragged along obv. but conceptual/confrontational/gearhead music is very male domain, is it not?

― Good Dog, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Tags swallowed there. I'm talking about shows in NZ and Japan.

― Good Dog, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

conceptual/confrontational/gearhead music is very male domain, is it not?

In a general sense, I don't buy that at all (I swear, the first three things I thought of when I looked at that phrase were Throbbing Gristle, Lydia Lunch and Swans). If you're talking about a specific NZ-noise scene, well, I wouldn't really know about that (must find out w/ the heck is going on in NZ at the moment, I've sort of lost touch).

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, maybe a woman who likes noise might care to weigh in.

― Good Dog, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

... don't hold your breath

― Dadaismugness (Dada), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"but ~~conceptual/confrontational/gearhead music~~ this dorky music discussion forum is a very male domain, is it not?"

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, not to broach a tender subject, but Ian's ex and my ex comprise a noise band now....

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Skipping 11 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Yeah but LB is music with beats (sometimes even in 4/4) melodies and harmonies.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

How come Lou Reed doesn't have any children???

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Too busy sucking on his ding-dong.

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

How can he bee punk? He work a in the Brill Bldg?//
TECHINCALLY NOT PUNKS!

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah but LB is music with beats (sometimes even in 4/4) melodies and harmonies.

-- Hurting (Hurtingchie...) (webmail), January 25th, 2005 11:00 AM. (Hurting) (link

MEERK PUFFY IS MUSIC WITH BEATS. MERZBOW HAS BEATS. TONS OF "NOISE" HAS MELODIES AND HARMONIES. GET ONE CLUE, FOOLISH FOREIGNER.

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

HOW THIS BE RAP? THERE'Z MUSIC BEHIND THE MUSIC

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

So what defines "noise" then?

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like harry pussy; you know it when you see it.

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

IS FAXED HEAD'S COVER OF CALIFORNIA LOVE NOISE OR RAP? PLEASE TELL ME I NEED TO WRITE A WE ARE THE WORK COLUMN FOR P1TCHFORKMEDIA

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread needs more snarky UKers who are jealous of not getting in on the ground floor of a musical movement. Please stick to your Libertines and Belle & Sebastian, cornballs!

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

USA CORNERS MARKET ON BRUTE AUTHENTICITY ONCE AGAIN

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Its all the "no national system of healthcare" -- that's how we keep it REAL!

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Musical movement? Watch that citadel shake!

― Dadaismugness (Dada), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

a hopeful thought. but shit gets co-opted by the second now. it's an impossible race to win.

― Brad Seethe, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

What musical movement are we supposed to be jealous of - the subterranean noise music musical movement or the avant-garde folk musical movement?

― Dadaismugness (Dada), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Spin ruined noise for me guys, thanks a lot. I can no longer enjoy it knowing that ANYONE can walk up to a newsseller and learn about NOISE.

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"A company of porcupines crowded themselves very close together one cold winter's day so as to proft by one another's warmth and so save themselves from being frozen to death. But soon they felt one another's quills, which induced them to separate again. And now, when the need for warmth brought them nearer together again, the second evil arose once more. So that they were driven backwards and forwards from one trouble to the other, until they discovered a mean distance at which they could most tolerably exist."

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

various girl containing bands that play in that scene, regardless of whether they are actually avant folk or subterranean noise or whatever:

taiwan deth/tan as fuck/new faggot cunts
16 bitch pile up
crotch council
w-s burns
weird weeds
deerhoof
seven year rabbit cycle
fat worm of error
neon hunk
hans grusel's krankencabinet
crack: war (live especially with bass distortion to rival wolf eyes)
dead machines
metallux
unicorn hard-on
masonna
duotron
quintron and miss pussycat
jospephine foster (and her various incarnations)
plastic crimewave sound
cock esp
harry pussy
leslie q
murder murder
nautical almanac

etc etc etc.

obviously, the music nerd/rock band thing has ALWAYS been very male. there is certainly no conspiracy keeping girl groups down ...

i'm so tired of that discussion about the scene... whatever genre encompasses the scene. i think it's still the "punk" scene in that a sense that "anything goes" predominates... anyone can do anything, come show us what you got. come one, come all, bring yer jams down to the rock show.

calling it noise might just be a convenient catch all.
m.

― msp (msp), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i like indie noise, not all that mainstream noise.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay googling "women" and "Merzbow" brings up this great rant from ILM's very own geeta!
A snip:
I'll tell you what the most disturbing noise performance I saw recently was: a Double Leopards (faves of Keenan's, it must be said) show in a dank basement bar for five bucks. What I found shocking was the girl in the band. Her name escapes me, but she was sitting there on the stage, quiet as can be, with a box of effects pedals, and she was gently stroking them--in an almost motherly fashion--to provoke bizarrely contorted sounds. I found her gentle nature TEN TIMES MORE disturbing than all the dickwaving noise rock and the noise "canon" of Whitehouse/Merzbow/Masonna/etc/etc/barf that I've been privy to.

-- Good Dog (feather...), January 25th, 2005 7:38 AM.

haha:
For the curious: FINALLY, a picture of Roger Adultery, in a tuxedo, looking fat, and Wifey looking like a total sexbomb, as usual, OR, "What Do YOU Look Like, October 2004"

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

all music is dance music/all music is noise. (this was a halo perfecto song.) (super xposts to gareth.)

no one really considers lightning bolt a 'noise band' even though they play with 'noise bands.' pigeon-holing is for douchebags.

xpost: WIFEY IS NOT IN DBL LEOPARDS. and i think geeta was probably talking abt marcia? who is also in hototogisu and was in Un as well.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

When was the last time the NME had a girl on the cover?

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously the whole 'noise dudes hate women' thing is absolute 100% bullshit. get a clue.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

They did a "women's issue" a couple of years ago with Avril on the cover. Oh dear oh dear. Probably the girl out of the Zutons. Or some random grabbing Pete Doherty on stage.

― stew, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Probably the best "noise" show I've ever been to featured four groups, two were comprised solely of men and two of women. (the groups being Wolf Eyes, Brain Transplant, Metallux, and um Beep Beep, I think?) It dawned on me that the St Louis noise scene, at least, was pretty well gender balanced. And there were lots of women in the crowd.

― Trip Maker (Sean Witzman), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I've seen plenty of women at noise gigs, but you have to admit that much of the discourse surrounding the music is very macho. See Keenan getting very excited, using horrible words like "spurt". This is quite funny admittedly, but he does trot that sort of stuff out a lot.
The more annoying thing about the Noise scene, or writing about it, is the elitist attitude that "squares" don't get noise. Mind you, that's a lot of Wire writers' attitude to everything.

― stew, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

After all, owning the Merzbox doesn't make you a better person...

― stew, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

No, owning the Merzbox just makes you poor. And I hardly think much discourse surrounding the noise scene is any more macho than that surrounding hip-hop or dancehall, two other ILM faves. (Keenan does not speak for me, also.)

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

And I hardly think much discourse surrounding the noise scene is any more macho than that surrounding hip-hop or dancehall, two other ILM faves.

OTM X 1,000,000!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

is all music noise music?

read one john cage, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't see what's so wrong with just admitting that the music genre you happen to like is dominated by one sex over the other

― Rabbieismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

mindflayer is totally techno, dudes. or maybe dance music. either way, i dance to it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't see what's so wrong with just admitting that music is dominated by one sex over the other

{/larry fucking summers}

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

almost all musical genres are dominated by men, so the constant sniping about noise/sexism is very very tiring. xpost

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

what about the muse?

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

the ladies rule that lilith shit

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

though now this avant-garde folk bullshit and dashboard confessional are trying to rectify the situation

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

because, clearly, the two are the same thing.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i love how music that isn't remotely "folk" in any real sense is called "folk" these days.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

If a fan of the 'noise' scene walked into a room with a tape recorder, and there was a man vomiting his blood-slaked guts out in the corner whilst strumming a banjo, and a choir of nightingales singing outside the window, which would he record?

― Carel Fabritius (Fabritius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

why do you think they call it BEARDcore?

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Some are more dominated than others of course - but who cares anyway?

― Rabbieismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

anthony is a real zinger today

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems like weird timing to complain about gender representation in the noise scene NOW versus ten years ago- I mean it was way more of a sausage party circa the 80s industrial era when noise was heavily cloaked with uber-masculine fetishized Nazi / Jim Jones / Manson imagery and every other cassette had a photocopied image of a bound and gagged / decapitated / violated female body and lots of second and third rate TG clones stayed up all night thinking of ways to out-gore "Slugbait"'s lyrics about cutting open a pregnant woman's stomach. Comparatively, noise is saddled with a lot less of such blatantly gendered agendas/images, and it's certainly better for it, and not only in terms of being more inclusive. It winds up questioning some of the core assumptions of the earlier era of noise-making, namely that the main dynamic was about transgression and power dynamics.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Noise Against Fascism bill:

MIRROR/DASH (Kim Gordon/Thurston Moore) Chick, old folks

THE BELIEVERS chicks

METALUX Chicks

DOUBLE LEOPARDS chicks

16 BITCH PILEUP chicks

MONOTRACT chick

NAUTICAL ALMANAC chick

BUZZARDSTAIN (Nate Young/Twig Harper) no chicks, but dirty hair

CHRIS CORSANO/PAUL FLAHERTY old dude

TO LIVE AND SHAVE IN L.A. (Rat Bastard, Don Fleming, Chris Grier, T. Moore, Tom Smith, Ben Wolcott, Andrew W.K.)

old dudes, dirty hair

MAGIK MARKERS chicks

Noise music is the place for the old and the dirty and breasted, totally

― Goldslkull (Mermanky), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"subterranean noise music" - i think he's talking about Factrix and Flipper

― eman (eman), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

subterranean noise music is like the awesome bums on the subway who sing off key.

― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Seems like I totally missed the main thread of conversation here but to xpost way back to when someone said that noise is a place for kids that dug hardcore in the 90s, OTfuckingM. Both have the same DIY aesthetic, similar kinds of aggression, etc. Noise lacks a lot of the bullshit toughguyisms and scene politiking that practically characterizes hardcore now.

― thank god i ain't too cool for the safe belt (smile), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to harp, but the 'noise is a boy thing' is SO painfully off the mark, especially these days. Whatever, this thread is boring, kill yourselves.

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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