Bless you, Stephen Thomas Erlewine (and your reviews of the new Bright Eyes albums).

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When writing about Conor Oberst, the singer/songwriter who records with an ever-changing group of musicians under the name Bright Eyes, it is customary to state his age within the first few sentences of the piece. It is also not uncommon to read comparisons between this Nebraskan singer/songwriter and Bob Dylan, the best-known singer/songwriter to hail from the Midwest. This serves a specific purpose — to establish a context for Oberst's songwriting, to imply that he's some kind of "genius," not in the least for writing and recording albums at such a young age, particularly since he's been recording since the age of 13. And so many albums, too! Taking a page from the Robert Pollard handbook, he equates prolificness with profoundness, releasing multiple records each year, sometimes under different band names. All these pop critic cliches repeated ad infinitum in the new millennium's overheated media circuit settled into conventional wisdom not long after the release of his fourth proper album Lifted or the Story Is in the Soil, Keep Your Ear to the Ground in 2002. Positive reviews, all praising his ambition, endless lyrics and apparent sincerity, flowed in and a cult started to form around Oberst. By 2004, he was nearly inescapable, appearing everywhere from The OC — where Lifted was part of the Seth Cohen Starter Pack — to representing the younger generation on Moveon.Org's Vote for Change tour (which could be a reason why John Kerry couldn't motivate collegiate voters), culminating in Bright Eyes suddenly and surprisingly topping the Billboard singles charts with two singles. All this set the stage for the release of a pair of new Bright Eyes albums in the first weeks of 2005: the acoustic-based I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning and the electronic-inflected Digital Ash in a Digital Urn. The timing is no accident: big albums are rarely released in the musical graveyard of January, so Oberst had no competition for headlines this time around. He was in every magazine, from Rolling Stone to Newsweek, and the reviews were uniformly positive, trotting out all the familiar "gifted youth" and "next Dylan" boilerplate, but this time, there was a difference. Most reviews were written from the perspective that it was taken for granted that this kid sure was a genius, the next great rock & roll star. It was as if standing on-stage with Michael Stipe and Bruce Springsteen in the fall of 2004 was tantamount to Oberst inheriting their throne as rock statesmen, even if his music has little, if anything, to do with that of R.E.M. or the Boss, or for anything that could be construed as mass popular music, for that matter. Oberst comes from the post-ironic stream of indie rock, not quite emo but certainly not part of the arch, alternately ironic and bittersweet aesthetic that marked the style's heyday in the first two-thirds of the '90s. He's leapfrogged over Chris Carrabba in Dashboard Confessional to be the figurehead for how certain strands of modern rock is judged solely on whether it's a personal emotional expression or not, never taking into account such niceties as craft, in either music or lyrics, or in the sheer impact of the music. It's a million miles removed from the sprawling narratives of Springsteen, the jangled Southern mysticism of R.E.M. or, certainly, the poetry and roadhouse rock & roll of Bob Dylan, and nowhere is that clearer than on I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning, Oberst's first high-profile, straight-ahead singer/songwriter record. Last time around, Oberst shoved all of his interests into one long, overstuffed pseudo-epic, but with I'm Wide Awake and Digital Ash, he isolates the country-rock confessionals on the former and saves the messy modernistic indie rock for the latter, as if to counter the criticisms that he can't focus. I'm Wide Awake is designed as a nakedly honest singer/songwriter album, somewhat inspired by the classics of the genre in the '70s — he even recruits Emmylou Harris for some harmonies, hoping that some of the old Gram Parsons' magic will rub off — but its directness reveals that the emperor has no clothes. Stripped of the careening, dramatic, meandering arrangements of Lifted, Oberst's music seems not simpler, but simplistic, the plodding music acting as a bed for monochromatic melodies that merely serve as a delivery mechanism for all those words he's poured out on the page. Far from being the second coming of Dylan, Oberst is as precious as Paul Simon, but without any sense of rhyme or meter or gift for imagery, puking out lines filled with cheap metaphors and clumsy words that don't scan. Supporters excuse this as soul-searching, but the heavy-handed pretension in the words and the affectedness in his delivery — not to mention the quavering bleat that's halfway between Feargal Sharkey and the Dead Milkmen's Rodney Anonymous — give the whole enterprise a sense of phoniness that's only enhanced by its unadorned production. When Oberst was swallowed in the deliberate grandeur of Lifted, his drama queen theatrics fit the music, but here, they expose him for the shallow poseur he is. As the record winds down, it's clear that Bright Eyes is little more than a pretty boy in a sweater who's idea of being clever is appropriating Beethoven's Ode to Joy for "Road to Joy" — a move that makes you grateful that Billy Joel at least knew enough Beethoven to steal a lesser-known melody for "This Night" (and, being the stand-up guy that he is, Billy gave him a co-writing credit, something Conor doesn't do here).Digital Ash in a Digital Urn is designed to be the musical polar opposite to I'm Wide Awake, to be the ambitious, modernistic electronic record that stands in contrast to the sepia-toned, classicist acoustic LP, but it suffers from nearly all the same flaws as its companion. The production and arrangements may have changed, but the music still serves as little more than a vehicle for Oberst's tortured prose. Here, the lines are clipped instead of languid as they are on I'm Wide Awake, but instead of scaling back his words and sharpening his attack, he piles on even more words, littering the songs with awkward illusions and clunky couplets. While the music moves the words forward more here than on I'm Wide Awake, it's merely as punctuation for certain lyrical phrases, not for the song as a whole. Nevertheless, that variety in the music makes Digital Ash a more interesting listen than its companion, but only up to a certain point. Ultimately, it's hard not to feel that this album is little more than a blatant attempt to ape the Postal Service's Give Up, right down to Jimmy Tamborello's appearance halfway through the LP. Not that rip-offs are necessarily a bad thing — it's at the heart of pop music — but since Oberst lacks the most basic musical skill, which is to know how to make music sound good on a sheer sonic level, Digital Ash collapses in a mess of preening pretension. And don't chalk up its weakness to youth, either, or suggest that he'll get better with age. Paul McCartney was 22 at the height of Beatlemania. At the age of 23, Dylan made Bringing It All Back Home, Neil Young released Everybody Knows This is Nowhere and Jackson Browne cut his debut. Kurt Cobain was 24 when Nirvana recorded Nevermind, the same age Conor Oberst was when he released the pair of albums that prove without a shadow of a doubt that instead of reaching musical maturity, he's wallowing in a perpetual adolescence.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:xqc8b5b4xsqk~T1

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

goddamit, i forgot to close a bold bracket or whatever. argh. well, just read it for funny, bad shit.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"it's clear that Bright Eyes is little more than a pretty boy in a sweater"

you don't say

toothy philanthropist, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

wowzers. I met stephen, he's nice

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

That was awesome.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

-- B. Joel - L. v. Beethoven --

Ha ha! I remember that.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Bright Eyes was just on one of those MTV News "Under the Radar" things along with AYWKUBTTOD, haha.

bprofane (AaronHz), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, that's a lot of words. I usually just say that Conor Oberst can't write music worth a shit and needs to read more poetry instead of spending so much time puking his own uncrafted words onto the page.

Which is like, pretty much the same thing in far fewer words, right?

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Though sure... not as funny as when it's all written out above with more barbs and specific attacks on records.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

it's kind of funny how AMG was supposed to be the "guide for fans" where a four-star review of a whitney houston album didn't mean the reviewer meant it was equal to a four star review of a roxy music album. Now it's just another place for people to write long-ass reviews

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

for perspective

100 Alternative Press
A raw portrait of a 20-something disenchanted with his city, his country and his life. [Feb 2005, p.81]
100 Q Magazine
The finest alt-country album this side of Gram Parsons. [Jan 2005, p.129]
100 Drowned In Sound
It’s the closeness and the honesty which makes ‘I’m Wide Awake, It’s Morning’ a thing of awe.
100 Los Angeles Times
An album with the simmering glow of a masterpiece.
100 Stylus Magazine
Bright Eyes may well be on the verge of finally bridging the gap between his precocious talent and the maturity of an ageless songwriter.
91 Spin
An often-great set of songs about loneliness. [Feb 2005, p.85]
90 Uncut
Where Ryan Adams replicates old records, this is something new. [Album of the Month, Feb 2005, p.72]
87 Pitchfork
I'm Wide Awake weaves the personal and the political more fluidly than most singers even care to try, and the consummate tunefulness just strengthens those moments where he pinches a nerve.
80 Playlouder
The quality is high throughout.
80 The Guardian
Lyrically, he's never been better.
60 Delusions of Adequacy
I’m Wide Awake is an uneven product, full of everything there is to loathe and love about Oberst.
60 Village Voice
A handsome channel 13 complimentary tote bag of an album that polishes his image as the fantasy rebellious son who hangs at socialist bookstores and swipes your Gram Parsons records.

metacritic, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I notoriously instigated a 'hiring freeze' o'er thar

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

woah Stephen Thomas Erlewine otm

chaki in charge (chaki), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

why aren't the AMG scores included in your meta-score? Rupert Murdoch didn't annex you guys, did he? fair and balanced, indeeeeeed.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

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poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

littering the songs with awkward illusions and clunky couplets

heavy-handed pretension in the words

lacks the most basic musical skill, which is to know how to make music sound good on a sheer sonic level

There aren't any examples cited to illustrate these points as far as I can see (the closest is when he names "Road to Joy"). Kind of disappointing. I haven't, to the best of my knowledge, ever heard Oberst, and this doesn't really give me any idea of what I'm (not) missing, except that Erlewine doesn't like it.

W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm always surprised the STE is the all-music critic that goes the most gonzo, as he was the one with the original "reviews for fans of the artist" blueprint. Guess he's just got a let it out.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

thak you wery much, b. I hit butons on my keybord anid it make diffrent
sounds for difrent butons .one time i play drums like a biotch and beat
on trasdh and stuff too and i hit gutar too

charleston charge (chaki), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Longest AMG review evar?

AMG scores used to be included in the metascore.

sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this a new thing? I haven't visited AMG since the redesign, and I don't remember seeing him go OTT like this before.

W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i do, but that's cuz I read limp bizkit reviews. and some of his positive ones really ramble, like his one for QOTSA's Songs For The Deaf

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Pretty good, he nails everything boring and loathesome about Oberst's music. It was a nice antidote to the swooning Onion AV Club review that I read earlier today.

Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

these records are reviewed in this weeks issue of Time.

eman (eman), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Would it absolutely kill them to put in some paragraph breaks, though?

Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

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They really did stop using the AMG scores? What crap. I can't believe meta would ditch AMG but still use Amazon.com. I mean, they obviously don't have an agenda, right? What retailer would say, "Never has an album failed more miserably to live up to its hype. Don't buy this crap." ZURICH IS $TAINED!

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"lacks the most basic musical skill, which is to know how to make music sound good on a sheer sonic level."

As opposed to what, an olfactory level?

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Onion A.V. Club has been using para breaks for months now

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, you mean AMG. sorry. (Onion used to not have 'em, that's what I thought you meant)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I notoriously instigated a 'hiring freeze' o'er thar

Wait, what did you do?

Longest AMG review evar?

Not. Even. Close.

;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, that's a whole lotta Cult.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a pretty good collection! As I do say so myself. My follow-up for the *other* box set was shorter.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

nice review!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, thanks! :-) I never tried anything quite that length before or since for them but I figured, "Hell, it's a box set, might as well go all out."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

If memory serves me correctly, that's still nowhere near the longest AMG review.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

You could well be right. What is it?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Wish I could remember... but Thom Jurek would be a pretty safe bet.

Oh, and STE is totally OTM.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm Wide Awake is actually quite good...I was completely turned off by Lifted but it's become apparent that he's begun to lose his knack for pretentious posing, maturing into something to be appreciated outside adolescence...Stephen does a good job of phrasing his criticisms but does not give any examples to back them up...his assertion that Oberst relies on cheap metaphors is true if he means that they are not complex, but simplicity can be appealling if it comes across as sincerity...throughout I'm Wide Awake, there are several "high school journal" moments, but none that are more than Oberst expressing himself honestly...maybe its his personality that Stephen Erlewine is turned off by, but many artists have felt the backlash that Bright Eyes has and allowed themselves to be caught up in the struggle to silence the opposition...Bright Eyes, however, has made their first great album

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(um, I meant the STE one, Ned . . . )

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I'm still partial to Keith Harris' review in the Voice, but chalk one up to Erlewine for bringing on the vicious.

I'm totally turned off by Oberst's personality. Self-pity--coming from a guy who's seen incredible career success--is not only galling but rather unconvincing. And shame on Jon Dolan, who stood idly by while the tripe flowed from Oberst in the SPIN interview this month.

Also, I'm still waiting for someone--anyone--to explain the "Dylan of his generation" mantle. It's so preposterous that it shouldn't be allowed to appear in print.

don weiner, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

you have to remember a lot of people secretly think of Dylan as just a guy with a bad voice who writes long, lyric-heavy songs that fans cream over.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Very nice! If I recall, Stephen rips into Blur's "Think Tank" as well, but not quite as savagely as this.

David Bachyrycz, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

I'm not sure what the longest review is, but if Carl Carlton's isn't the longest biography, it's the most *inappropriately* long biography:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:13ri282c051a~T1

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the beatles one is (appropriately) about five times longer than that.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

am i the only person who thinks this kind of thing (whether or not I agree - frankly I've found every song off these albums I've heard near-unlistenable) goes against the grain of what the place is about? surely there's a lot of writers who actually enjoy conor oberst's shtick who could write reviews that would tell people which albums are the most enjoyable for people who like that kind of music.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean a fan saying "this is disappointing or mediocre" is one thing, but head-critic-on-high yelling "THIS IS BULLSHIT," well is this just another music mag?

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Miccio has a good point.

Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

since when did prolificacy become prolificness? horrid.

Rubberband Man (Rubberband Man), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Flux OTM.

don weiner, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(full disclosure: ex-copyeditor) Beatles bio is around 3000 words (that I actually remember, amazingly enough). I think the longest piece of writing I ever came across was about 6000. I'm sure that a little bird (and no not Ned) could run a script and figure out the longest review and bio quite easily.

I leave the debate on the merits of the review to you experts. All I'll say is any negative review of Bright Eyes is a good review.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(um, I meant the STE one, Ned . . . )

haha! But my ego! I must claim all happy comments for MEEEEEEE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

if/when there will be a critical turnaround on Oberst

Clearly this will happen when he STOPS SUCKING SO MUCH. Excuse my harsh language.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think it's as simple as that. It's not like Led Zep III sucked in 1972 and then all of a sudden was a better album in 1991. Ditto the Velvets, early hip hop, countless other examples...

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

um, there are already plenty of critics who give him raves. Desaparecidos got a 9 in Spin. Lifted got an 8 and four stars in rolling stone. If anything this is an atypical reaction to the album.

STE doesn't hesitate to announce how much cultural bile comes behind his negative rants, which is so ironic and sad.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

the quavering bleat that's halfway between Feargal Sharkey and the Dead Milkmen's Rodney Anonymous

Best part of the review, actually.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The funny thing is that a lot of this review could be about early springsteen

agree on the first quote you cite (which is observational), totally disagree on the second (which is subjective).

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The funny thing is I'd probably write a scathing negative review myself if I actually sat down and listened to both albums rather than trusting my immediatel revulsion towards random tracks. Just not this one.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

huh - didn't know that about RS and Spin (tho it makes sense - *someone's* gotta be propping this guy up besides a bunch of mopey college girls). The weird thing is I don't know a single person - either in meatspace or the internet - who likes this guy, so I've never really understood his audience.

Also - where are these bad lyrics people! Don't make me go a googlin...

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still a fan of Desaparecidos, his rock side-project (their album is my favorite of the decade so far). Bright Eyes is just aging poorly on me in a Boy Who Cries Wolf way.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

ironically I'm tempted to use google to find GOOD lyrics on the new album, which might inspire me to give a listen despite my immediate response to his warble.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I think its weird STE spends so much time describing how clunky and malformed the lyrics are, but cites no specific examples.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

without any sense of rhyme or meter or gift for imagery, puking out lines filled with cheap metaphors and clumsy words that don't scan. Supporters excuse this as soul-searching, but the heavy-handed pretension in the words and the affectedness in his delivery

Link to Springsteen's "Born To Run"

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, using "the emperor has no clothes" in a review??

I like to picture this Stephen Thomas Erlewine getting all huffy and puffy every time he sees a picture of Oberst. Stomping his feet and clenching his fists in a little tantrum. "I'll convince everybody... really I will... I have at least 50,000 more words I can write on the subject..."

I find the reactions on this thread to this review surprising, considering the amount of writers weighing in here. No matter how much you agree with Erlewine on the album or artist, it's a really poorly written piece, marked by a shitload of logic leaps and unsupported claims.

Chuckling at the Tomkat's Marquee (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM

W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the review opens well but goes downhill by the end... but I always appreciate it when people expose the inner workings of the critical machinery for the repetitious drivel they ofen are.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

never heard any of the music under discussion.
enjoyed the review, especially the opening.
one thing jumped right out though: the most basic musical skill, which is to know how to make music sound good on a sheer sonic level

this is just wrong.

also he seems to take for granted that Springsteen/Stipe/Dylan are better songwriters, or less precious than Paul Simon.......

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

His review is as uneven as Oberst himself: good lines (the Feargal Sharkey/Milkmen allusion) and awful ones and mediocre ones just pile up without organization or even commen sense. I had a similar reaction to "I'm Wide Awake...", which I bought yesterday.

Shouldn't STE get a word limit? Any decent editor does that. Does he have any idea how taxing it is to read this block of text?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the turning point in the review is when he starts making up words in order to construct a cute turn of phrase (ie, its not "profoundness", it's profoundity, doesn't this guy have an editor?)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't STE the editor?

Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

this is just wrong.

-- m0stly clean (mostl...) (webmail), January 26th, 2005 2:40 PM. (m0stly clean) (link)


OK DOUCHEBAG WHAT IS THE MOST BASIC MUSICAL SKILL

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

His review is as uneven as Oberst himself: good lines (the Feargal Sharkey/Milkmen allusion) and awful ones and mediocre ones just pile up without organization or even commen sense.

Ha, this is a pretty good point. (Though I've never heard/read an Oberst line that didn't make me cringe, but whatever.)

Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

basic musical skill = knowing when something sounds good

ha!

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, first time i've ever been called a douchbag on ILM.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

profoundness

n 1: wisdom that is recondite and abstruse and profound; "the anthropologist was impressed by the reconditeness of the native proverbs" [syn: reconditeness, abstruseness, abstrusity, profundity] 2: the intellectual ability to penetrate deeply into ideas [syn: astuteness, profundity, depth] 3: the quality of being physically deep; "the profundity of the mine was almost a mile" [syn: deepness, profundity] [ant: shallowness] 4: intellectual depth; penetrating knowledge; keen insight; etc; "the depth of my feeling"; "the profoundness of the silence" [syn: profundity] [ant: superficiality]

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it just me or is this review not that terribly long? It's kind of long for AMG, I'll give you that, but you're discussing it like he wrote a book.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Plus, Oberst's delivery is way worse than his (admittedly bad) lyrics.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

v. pwned, pwn·ing, pwns
v. tr.

To have or possess as property: pwns a chain of restaurants.
To have control over: For a time, enemy planes pwned the skies.
To admit as being in accordance with fact, truth, or a claim; acknowledge.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

And don't chalk up its weakness to youth, either, or suggest that he'll get better with age. Paul McCartney was 22 at the height of Beatlemania. At the age of 23, Dylan made Bringing It All Back Homeetc

That must be the second dumbest bit.

Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Depeche's Violator was at a one and a half for a while

Giving Violator a one-and-a-half is COMPLETELY beyond my comprehension!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

the most basic musical skill, which is to know how to make music sound good on a sheer sonic level

1) STE needs to quit using the adverb "sheer." It's gratuitous when he does, and it scans like an Oberst lyric.

2) It's engineers and producers who really need to understand and know the most about making the music sound good, not the artist.

3) I think the most basic musical skill is far more basic then how to write good songs or play well or whatever STE means by "make music sound good." I know kids who can play 3 chords on a guitar and are learning to sing and play at the same time, and I would likely grant that they already have "the most basic musical skill."

4) Further, I think the "most basic musical skill" isn't even on a [sheer] sonic level. First you learn how to play the instrument. Then you learn how to augment your playing to add more expression, etc. It's the second part where you spend the most time developing a "touch" or "style" that makes the sound unique, expressive or just "good on a [sheer] sonic level."

I agree with STE, and I think Oberst is as hamfisted a guitarist as he is a writer (of both lyrics and music), but unfortunately there are a couple chunks of that review which are equally heavy-handed and awkward.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow. Funny. "Prolificness." I think Erlewine and I were on the Michigan Daily arts staff at the same time.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Erlewhine has consistently been one of my favorite reviewers on AMG, and while I don't think that this is necessarily one of his best reviews, I still enjoyed reading it, and thought that he conveyed an engaging and believable point of view with verve. It does seem like he really had it in for Oberst though.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

haha "Erlewhine"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

How good can the guy be though, tossing stinkbombs at Courtney Love size targets and getting it wrong each time.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:40rsa9ygw23s~T1

danh (danh), Thursday, 27 January 2005 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

How does he get that Liz Phair review wrong? I think it's pretty spot-on, and I even think it's better writing than the Bright Eyes review that started this thread.

I dunno what you mean by "Courtney Love size targets" either. Surely you're not implying that Phair is the same kind of target. Phair has turned into a bad imitation of herself. Courtney at her worst moments is more like a parody.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 27 January 2005 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Because of her pop move, Liz Phair, as a target for lame criticism, spite, or hurt feelings, was just as big if not bigger than Courtney. And Bright Eyes is on the cover of just about everything right now. And in each review, though he says he wont, he proceeds to compare Bright Eyes to Bruce, Liz Phair to herself and surprise, surprise Courtney to her tabloid image.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:luabqjkwojda~T1

It's just kind of lazy.

danh (danh), Thursday, 27 January 2005 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

pro·lif·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-lfk)
adj.
Producing offspring or fruit in great abundance; fertile.
Producing abundant works or results: a prolific artist. See Synonyms at fertile.

[French prolifique, from Medieval Latin prlificus : Latin prls, prl-, offspring; see al-2 in Indo-European Roots + Latin -ficus, -fic.]

pro·lifi·ca·cy (--k-s) or pro·lific·ness (-k-ns) n.
pro·lifi·cal·ly adv.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 27 January 2005 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

I love the STE reviews where he gets so worked up that he can't censor himself and just starts going stream of consciousness on our ass. It's like the review tries to be friendly and free of an attitude but it quickly digresses. It's like "Here at AMG we do our best to be fair to the artists and the demographics that might enjoy this album and find this review and our site randomly on Google... - ...actually... wait, you know what? I'm sorry, I can't do this BS today I mean if I don't write a 2,000 word review where I talk about everything that bugs me about this album and singer I am going to put my fist through the wall so check the doors, make sure that mom and dad are sleeping and that nobody can read this review over your shoulder because hot damn things are about to get ugly up in this review..."

Another great example of this type of writing: his review of Lindsay Lohan's first album.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:d9foxq8sld0e

...So, there are songs that allude to her partying ways -- most explicitly on the lead single "Rumors," where Lindsay bats her eyes for the camera as she pleads to be left alone (it's inexplicably called a bonus track here, btw) -- and the music is a blend of old-fashioned, Britney-styled dance-pop and the anthemic, arena rock sound pioneered by fellow tween stars Hilary Duff and Ashlee Simpson. Lohan may be a better singer than Britney -- she's mannered, but her voice is fuller than Mrs. Federline's razor-thin squeak -- but her record feels a lot more cynical than the equally calculated and polished efforts by Hilary and Ashlee, and it all boils down to this: <<<<uh oh, here it comes Lindsay Lohan comes across as ridiculously oversexed and crass. On the cover, the starlet -- who officially turned 18 in July of 2004 -- looks like a thirtysomething porn star, and she has the heavy-breathing voice and double entendres to match ("I wanna come first" on "First," the lead song, or "I'm not above being under" on "Disconnected"); add to that, she's posed in nothing more than an unbuttoned dress shirt in the liner notes, while there's another picture of her with the word "sex" scrawled over it, twice. When paired with the loud, relentlessly ProTooled dance-pop and hooky but unmelodic songs on Speak, the whole thing is a slick, ugly nadir of 2000s pop culture -- the kind of thing that makes Blue Staters think that, gee, maybe the Red Staters were right when they said the U.S. is going to hell.

Who can forget a review like that?

Cunga, Friday, 21 August 2009 04:31 (sixteen years ago)

ThisKaty Perry review is a STE breakdown starting halfway through the first sentence.

The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 August 2009 17:12 (sixteen years ago)

...and then there was this oldie but goodie re: QoTSA. Maybe I've got some amnesia, but was there really that much of a fissure vis a vie "style" between them and the Strokes in 2002?

The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 August 2009 17:16 (sixteen years ago)

That's another favorite review, though he eventually listed Hot n Cold as one of his singles of the year.

Cunga, Friday, 21 August 2009 22:12 (sixteen years ago)

"the kind of thing that makes Blue Staters think that, gee, maybe the Red Staters were right when they said the U.S. is going to hell."

This is one of the best last lines of a review ever.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 21 August 2009 23:05 (sixteen years ago)

I love that Katy Perry review...

Dan S, Friday, 21 August 2009 23:10 (sixteen years ago)

awww i feel bad, some of my friends know kp and i'm told she's nothing like that.

call all destroyer, Friday, 21 August 2009 23:12 (sixteen years ago)

"she sinks to crass, craven depths that turn One of the Boys into a grotesque emblem of all the wretched excesses of this decade."

Another gem. I eagerly await the next oversexed teen-pop album to attract his ire: "A vile affront to human decency, symbolic of the bottomless depravity of the Great Satan, America. On the other hand, solid production from Max Martin."

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 21 August 2009 23:17 (sixteen years ago)

this one's a gem too: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:jvfyxqudldse~T1

Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Friday, 21 August 2009 23:44 (sixteen years ago)

"A vile affront to human decency, symbolic of the bottomless depravity of the Great Satan, America. On the other hand, solid production from Max Martin."

hahaha

Cunga, Saturday, 22 August 2009 03:01 (sixteen years ago)

loving "Montag monster"

batch-posting microscope-toting joyless rock critic motherfucker (some dude), Saturday, 22 August 2009 03:06 (sixteen years ago)

I eagerly await the next oversexed teen-pop album to attract his ire: "A vile affront to human decency, symbolic of the bottomless depravity of the Great Satan, America. On the other hand, solid production from Max Martin."

LOL, I'm imagining him sharpening his zings in anticipation of Leighton Meester's lp.

The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 August 2009 20:49 (sixteen years ago)

four months pass...

His OTM review of Justin Timberlake's last album articulated so many things that bug me about JT and his music:

http://tinyurl.com/yk3j4de

"Graceless he may be, but Timberlake is nevertheless kind of fascinating on FutureSex/LoveSounds since his fuses a clear musical vision -- misguided, yes, but clear all the same -- with a hammyness that only a child entertainer turned omnipresent 21st century celebrity can be. Timberlake yearns to be taken seriously, to be a soulful loverman like Marvin Gaye coupled with the musical audaciousness of Prince, yet still sell more records than Michael Jackson -- and he not only yearns for that recognition, he feels entitled to it, so he's cut and pasted pieces from all their careers, cobbling together his own blueprint, following it in a fashion where every wrong move is simultaneously obvious and surprising. There is no subtlety to his music, nor is there much style -- he's charmless in his affectations, and there's nothing but affectations in his music. At least this accumulation of affectations does amount to a semblance of personality this time around -- he's still a slick cipher as a singer, yet he is undeniably an auteur of some sort, one who has created an album that's stilted and robotic, but one who doggedly carries it through to its logical conclusion, so the club jams and slow jams both feel equally distant and calculated. There is, however, a flair within the production, particularly in how foreign yet familiar its retro-future vibe sounds."

His aint-I-adorable child actor mannerisms are also present in all of the talk show interviews and broadly acted comedy bits I've seen him do.

These bits are also great:

"Like the Arctic Monkeys deploring the scummy men who pick up cheap hookers in Sheffield, Justin has read about the pipe and the damage done -- he may not have seen it, but he sure knows that it happens somewhere, and he's put together an absurd Stevie Wonder-esque slice of protest pop in "Losing My Way," where he writes in character of a man who had it all and threw it all away...or, to use Justin's words, "Hi, my name is Bob/And I work at my job," which only goes to show that Timberlake lacks a sense of grace no matter what he chooses to write about."

"Each of the three opening songs has "sex" sandwiched somewhere within its title, as if mere repetition of the word will magically conjure a sex vibe, when in truth it has the opposite effect: it makes it seem that Justin is singing about it because he's not getting it. Surely, his innuendos are bluntly obvious, packing lots of swagger but no machismo or grace. They merely recycle familiar scenarios -- making out on the beach, dancing under hot lights, acting like a pimp -- in familiar fashions, marrying them to grinding, squealing synths that never sound sweaty or sexy; if they're anything, they're the sound of bad anonymous sex in a club, not an epic freaky night with a sex machine like, say, Prince. "

Cunga, Friday, 25 December 2009 23:43 (sixteen years ago)

who is poortheatre these days

bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Saturday, 26 December 2009 02:22 (sixteen years ago)


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