"That's because so little talent is required to become a rapper that for a few years the biggest selling rap song of all time was the 'Super Bowl Shuffle' by the Chicago Bears NFL team."

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Those darn fetishists!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure I wanna read this guy's take on rock bands and segregation.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The segregation one actually contains one really striking piece of analysis, explaining why Hootie and the Blowfish were popular: "[T]hey succeeded because they filled a market niche that the mainstream audience had evidently been waiting for. They were the first to put a resonant black voice in front of conventional white electric guitar rock."

But in the end he's just like "I guess people just grow up with other people of the same race. Dave Matthews Band is integrated cause they're, like, jazzbos who know how to play instruments, so they met later."

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

And the "Singer Songwriter Fetish" one kills rockists dead.

asl, Friday, 28 January 2005 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

But you do, Stence, you do!

For example, Hendrix was responsible for what seemed like 95% of the sound volume on his albums, with his white rhythm section puttering along in the far background.

Starting a rock band is often an excuse for trying to live out the male adolescent fantasy that you'll find a way to make a living hanging out with your buddies. That's also why rap groups tend to be absurdly overstaffed. Wu-Tang Clan has nine members, for instance. Similarly, NBA stars buy giant Lincoln Navigators to ferry around posses consisting of all their unemployable friends from junior high school.

The purpose of the article is more or less to praise the Dave Matthews Band for overcoming racial stereotypes and being so darned good.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - True, but at the same time he draws a clear line between Sinatra/Riddle and Spears/Martin.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

It really doesn't take any talent to have a fluke rap hit though. Whoomp? Rump Shaker? Etc.?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Tubthumper?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It really doesn't take any talent to have a fluke hit. By definition.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, man, that ride cymbal slashing was pretty loud too! poor mitch (or was that noel? no wait i think noel was the bassplayer).

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

This conservative music journalism is blowing my mind

sonicred (sonicred), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this the guy who really loves Spock's Beard? Or is that a different clueless rightwinger rockrit?

Austin (Austin), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

also "super bowl shuffle" was for charity, and during the bears' championship run, so his reason why it was a top-seller is pretty dumb.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It really doesn't take any talent to have a fluke hit. By definition.

I support this further clarification wholeheartedly.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve Sailer - do you seriously think i give a shit what any of you will says??

darin (darin), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

One insightful listener, however, thought he heard something that sums up Cobain far better: "I'm blotto and bravado / I'm a scarecrow and a Beatle."

Cobain, who blew his brains out in 1994, was indeed a blotto scarecrow.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 28 January 2005 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Best segue ever.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve Sailer was the drummer for the rock band Gay Dad.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoa, Nelly. I'd like to see a real citation somewhere that the "Super Bowl Shuffle" was indeed "biggest selling rap song of all time" "for a few years"? I mean, come on...even bigger than "Rapture"?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean "Ratpure."

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I do?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I know you guys aren't going to believe this, but right now is the first time I realized the song was called "RAP-TURE."

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Bless you, Jaymc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm I never noticed that either.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Sugar Hill Gang, "Rapper's Delight" rearranges to:

GIL RIDS GANGSTA RAPPER THUG HELL

Coincidence?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The incredibly prolific trio of Dozier-Holland-Dozier wrote endless hits for the Supremes, the Four Tops and others. Yet, they are little known today because they stayed behind the scenes.

Apparently.

briania (briania), Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"In his search for a nirvana where his teeming mind never again would perturb him, he turned to drugs and ultimately a shotgun."

umm, accurate? twisted? heartless? all three?

JD from CDepot, Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"By jove, but my mind perturbs me so. It is quite vexing, all these bloody thoughts & such that scurry about the cavernous recesses of my brain. Oh, well. Cheers!" *BANG*

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm doing some beats for the new Willie Gault album. We've got Timbaland and Madlib doing some beats too. RIP WPayton!

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 29 January 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I do?

The Ratpure

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The very first mp3 I downloaded from a p2p network -- you know, thinking, "I could listen to any song in the world right now!" -- was the "Super Bowl Shuffle."

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Djdee, overexplaining a joke that Mike already knew about isn't necessary.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Djdee, overexplaining a joke that Mike already knew about isn't necessary.

Actually it was.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 29 January 2005 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The very first mp3 I downloaded from a p2p network -- you know, thinking, "I could listen to any song in the world right now!" -- was the "Super Bowl Shuffle."

hahaha that's fantastic.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 29 January 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Smashing Pumpkins, for example, consist of three whites and one East Asian."
Fun Fact: Billy Corgan chose his bandmates for "Maximum Visual Impact"

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 29 January 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

IT's news to me that "Super Bowl Shuffle" was the biggest-selling rap single. In 1985-86 the Sugar Hill Gang deserved that honor - that is, until Run DMC broke later in '86 and "License to Kill" the following year.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 29 January 2005 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

who knew they cloned lamont dozier and killed off one of the holland brothers!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 30 January 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

One insightful listener, however, thought he heard something that sums up Cobain far better: "I'm blotto and bravado / I'm a scarecrow and a Beatle."

That was me (the guy who misheard, that is, not the one who's blotto).

Bloody Nile.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 30 January 2005 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"The band's first album, 1977's "The Clash," was as good as punk rock ever got, but that wasn't good enough for The Clash. With their notorious first single "White Riot," they had launched their career by imitating the power chording of The Ramones. These pathbreaking New York punks had developed an alternative to blues-based rock by stripping away most of the African-American elements of rock and roll, reducing it to its linear fundamentals."

I never realized that the Ramones were actually a music-cleansing offshoot of the Aryan Nation!

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 31 January 2005 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

He does have a leg up on most ideological critics, though, he's willing to praise and enjoy unabashedly left-wing media rather than write it off without a moment's consideration.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 31 January 2005 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I never realized that the Ramones were actually a music-cleansing offshoot of the Aryan Nation!

They were nazis, schatzi.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 31 January 2005 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

First rule is- The laws of Germany
Second rule is- Be nice to mommy
Third rule is- Don't talk to commies
Fourth rule is- Eat kosher salamis

miccio (miccio), Monday, 31 January 2005 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Johnny Ramone was famously right-wing -- not quite to THAT extreme, one hopes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually didn't find his piece on segretation so offensive, other than the claim that Hendrix's rhythm section "puttered along in the background," and the NBA player part. His theory is certainly a novel one for me, and honestly I don't find it so far fetched. Most of the bands I know are a bunch of people who went to high school or college together, and honestly most kids today still seem to mostly segregate themselves in terms of friends. I can think of plenty of exceptions of course, but it's usually a mostly-white band with one (or maybe two) asian, hispanic, or black guys. And it's true that jazz tends to be much more of a meritocracy than rock, hence more integration.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 31 January 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

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"The band's first album, 1977's "The Clash," was as good as punk rock ever got, but that wasn't good enough for The Clash. With their notorious first single "White Riot," they had launched their career by imitating the power chording of The Ramones. These pathbreaking New York punks had developed an alternative to blues-based rock by stripping away most of the African-American elements of rock and roll, reducing it to its linear fundamentals."
I never realized that the Ramones were actually a music-cleansing offshoot of the Aryan Nation!

-- milozauckerman (wooderso...), January 31st, 2005.

he's not making that up, a lot of the early punks actually were trying to strip the black blues/r&b influence from their music!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 31 January 2005 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

this guy IS a moron though:

Sir Elton John, looking like Mrs. Doubtfire on acid, officially welcomed rapper Eminem to the Celebrity Cartel by helping him perform his hit "Stan" at the Grammy Awards This is the tale of an increasingly deranged Eminem fan who, inspired by the rap superstar's fictitious songs about murdering his wife, locks his pregnant girlfriend in the trunk of his car and drives off a bridge.

The Academy gave Eminem three Grammies in Rap categories. Yet, in the grand tradition of the Grammies, it denied him the Best Album award, bestowing it instead upon those refugees from the Gerald Ford era, Steely Dan.

Both the malevolent gay-bashing rapper and the beloved homosexual has-been must have found their pairing somewhat demeaning. The craving for celebrity, though, often makes for strange bedfellows. In a world teeming with talented would-be celebrities, those few who've made it to the top try to constantly bask in each other's glamour to help them to stay on top.

The two took very different routes to the stage of the Staples Center.

Although never a musical innovator, Sir Elton was the most prolific composer of catchy pop tunes of the first half of the Seventies. Not long after his 1973 album "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road," however, he fell into a bit of a slump as a melody-writer. This slow stretch in his creative career is now entering its second quarter century.

Like a baseball pitcher who suddenly loses his fastball, Sir Elton has had to scramble to stay in the celebrity big leagues. He has done all the usual things: write songs for a Disney cartoon, compose a Broadway musical, tour with other nostalgia acts like Billy Joel, sing at a royal funeral, and raise money for fashionable gay causes like AIDS. All this hectic activity has helped him keep at least on the fringe of the limelight that he craves so much.

Eminem, in contrast, has become a hero and role model to white boys across America by showing that a white man can rap as agilely and as anti-socially as any black man can.

A diminutive 28-year-old originally named Marshall Mathers, Eminem appears to be a classic case of the Stockholm Syndrome. This tendency of victims to begin identifying with their tormentors is named after a notorious hostage taking in Sweden, where many of the captives fell in love with their kidnappers.

As a child growing up in tough Detroit neighborhoods, little Marshall was repeatedly beaten up by black thugs. In response, he started to identify with his tormentors. He became enamored of the worst aspects of African-American underclass culture.

Eminem is a writer of considerable wit and invention. As a lyricist, he resembles an undisciplined and repulsive version of Tom Lehrer, the Harvard mathematician and part-time musical satirist who wrote such brilliant parodies as "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park."

Eminem's tirades against male homosexuals grow out of gangsta raps' obsession with obscenities. Although middle-class Americans curse frequently, they've largely forgotten these phrases' anti-woman and anti-gay origins. For example, the popular expression "you suck" - which Bart Simpson taught first graders to use as a cooler version of "you stink" - actually has a quite specific meaning: "You willingly degrade yourself by taking on the female role of giving sexual pleasure to a man."

Eminem, who devoured dictionaries as a youth, explicitly spells out the disturbing roots of America's favorite obscenities. They stem from the ancient revulsion toward men who perform the sex acts favored by male homosexuals, such as, to pick a random example, Sir Elton.

Sophisticated listeners will generally get Eminem's jokes. He deploys three alter egos - Eminem, Marshall Mathers, and Slim Shady - to show it's all just a put-on. His self-awareness makes music reviewers wet themselves in excitement over his post-modernist irony.

The problem, though, is that Eminem also aims his songs directly at America's most dim, damaged, drunk, and drug-addled young men, the real life models for "Stan." It's a near statistical certainty that some of them will take his calls to violence literally.

Eminem is well aware of this, and responds by writing self-referential songs about it like "Stan." This drives music critics into further spasms of ironic delight. Yet, it does nothing to solve the problem that he's encouraging criminality.

Despite all of Eminem's verbal agility at deflecting responsibility, it's clear that songs glamorizing the thug life can induce some young men to act like thugs. The best examples are the gangsta rappers themselves. They don't seem to fully get their own joke. Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls were murdered, probably by other rappers. Snoop Doggy Dogg beat a murder rap, but Puffy Combs is still on trial for a nightclub shooting. And Eminem was recently convicted of pulling a gun during a dispute. He awaits sentencing.

Eminem's vileness, though, made him the perfect vehicle for Sir Elton's return to the spotlight. At age 53, when men in other careers are finally reaching their professional primes, Sir Elton is 25 years over the hill. His fame is so great that he could go on organizing celebrity bashes for AIDS for the rest of his life, but the buzz about him is fading. So, who better to glom on to than Eminem, this month's most controversial figure in world history?

Eminem, in turn, needed a politically correct blessing from a famous gay activist like Sir Elton to keep himself from being pilloried like loudmouthed Atlanta Braves pitcher John Rocker.

Yet, even more, Eminem needed Sir Elton's help in entering the ranks of Permanent Celebrityhood. Andy Warhol said that in the future everyone would be famous for fifteen minutes. Andy, however, has been famous for saying that for thirty years. In truth, the number of big stars who ever become so obscure again that they have to get a real job is minimal.

But rappers are the big exception. A few like LL Cool J have managed to hang around since the Eighties, but most have a shelf life of no more than five years. The field is swarming with upstart competitors. That's because so little talent is required to become a rapper that for a few years the biggest selling rap song of all time was the "Super Bowl Shuffle" by the Chicago Bears NFL team.

As the first great white rapper, Eminem has the opportunity to break out of the rap ghetto and reach those sunlit uplands where he can stay a star long after he dissipates his talent. And Sir Elton can always show him the way.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 31 January 2005 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait a minute. It's absurd to say that The Ramones had little or no r&b/blues influence. Their music was pretty much a close cousin of straight-ahead rock and roll.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 31 January 2005 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

do you wanna dance, under the moonlight,
kiss me baby and hold me tight,
oh baby,
do you wanna dance?

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Monday, 31 January 2005 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't really say that anything with a straight rock and roll beat isn't influenced by R&B/Blues.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 31 January 2005 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Now when you're in a mess
And you feel like cryin'
Just remember this little
Song of mine
And as you walk through life
Tryin' to reach your goal
Remember what I say 'bout
A little bit o' soul

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Monday, 31 January 2005 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

fashionable gay causes like AIDS.

This guy needs to die.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 31 January 2005 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah thats the part that had my attention.

maybe he should stop writing about fashionable things like music before he gets his fashionable head bust.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 31 January 2005 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know, raising money to fight AIDs certainly has more cultural cachet than, say, raising money to fight protate cancer.

Jen Spence, Monday, 31 January 2005 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

it's hard for me to believe that i am the first person to bring up this ol' thread in THIS thread.

or to post THIS picture:

http://www.allprodad.com/images/singletary.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 31 January 2005 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

So he likes/loves The Clash, Neil Young, (Dylan I think, he didn't make a comment for or against) and Kurt Cobain. All of whom are or have been extremely leftist.

He also came off kind of pro-union in the Shakey review.

Is this the definition of neo-con?

David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)


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