Bloody hell...Cocteau Twins are reforming for Coachella....

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And Bauhaus will be playing that same day!

― Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

fantasy set lists? anyone anyone?

― piscesboy, Monday, 31 January 2005 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The fact that Bauhaus keeps reforming is even more amazing to me than the Pixies getting back together.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

EVERYBODY, PLEASE STOP REFORMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

did bauhaus really "disband" after the last reformation though? when things like this happen w/out any animosity I just assume they're busy with side projects for the time being. I assumed they'd play again. CTwins I'm more surprised by.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it a one-off? Like are the Cocteaus and the `Haus just doing Coachella and then disbanding again?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The Bauhaus thing isn't even on the level yet! My friend H., who is Peter M.'s webmaster (webmistress, actually) talked to him last night after I heard about the LA Times confirmation. She got a hold of Peter and he said, "Nope, not unless they're getting Bowie in to sing or something! I'm planning for my solo tour." Then apparently David J said this morning, "It's no rumor, we're playing!" I have my doubts.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't care about 'Haus too much (is this the third or fourth time around?) but the Cocteaus?????

Please tour! Please!Please!Please!

― Jeff Cook (Bro_Danielson), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Agreed. It's the Cocteau Twins reunion that's really the big news here (as much as I love Bauhaus).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

there is no further word on the twins' touring according to the one person I know who would know about such things. but I can't imagine they would only do this show.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

iceblink luck
Know who you are at every age
bluebeard
tishbite
carolyn's fingers
heaven or las vegas
cherry flavoured funk
suckling the mender
...
errr

My truth, pitch the baby, Cico Buff

the memory fails

Violaine

― bb, Monday, 31 January 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I've seen the Cocteaus twice and the second time was a huge letdown, music sounded good but Liz was just not trying to sing at all -- more a random stream-of-consciousness yelping. This was 1993, mind you, so maybe everyone's in a better state of mind. The 1990 show was lovely -- Lush opened! 4AD craziness.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

EVERYBODY, PLEASE STOP REFORMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here, here.

― stevo (stevo), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, continue to sin instead.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah the heaven or las vegas show was amazing. I did hear the four calendar shows were not nearly as good. anyway at this point in my life i'd take a substandard cocteaus show over most anything else.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Bauhaus reforming isn't a big deal anymore. But when they did it the first time in the '90s, I was gobsmacked.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, I had a similar experience. I saw them with Dif Juz at the Royal Festival Hall in London in 1984, and I swear it was a life-altering experience. I saw them two years later in Nottingham and it was a terrible letdown -- still good, of course, but a letdown all the same.

― David A. (Davant), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe that's the industry standard. I saw them at the Beacon Theatre circa Heaven or Las Vegas, and all the sweeping hyperbole about cherubim and seraphim playing polo on a celestial field of purple crushed velvet was ABSOLUTELY FUCKING FACT! I saw them again at the Roseland Ballroom circa Four Calendar Cafe, and it was a lifeless, stifling, goin'-through-the-motions, rote affair.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 31 January 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Weird. I wonder if some of this is down to our individual mindsets. Like, when we lose our cherries or something. You see, I was so pumped and hyper about seeing them in 84 because I was completely in love with them (and their cherubim and purple velvet, etc, ha ha). And it seemed kind of breathlessly unreal. And Elizabeth was in fine form bantering with the "cockneys", and Festival Hall management were concerned about fans being out of their seats, etc., so there was this us-and-the-band versus stuffy-English-establishment-type-people going on. Later, I still loved the Cocteaus, but it just seemed like it would never measure up to that, and sure 'nuff it didn't (perhaps 'cos I told myself it wouldn't).

― David A. (Davant), Monday, 31 January 2005 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I'm so twee.

― David A. (Davant), Monday, 31 January 2005 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

My father saw Bauhaus in Philadelphia when they reformed.

It would be crazy for the CTs to do a one-off waay past the other side of the ocean.

I saw them with Dif Juz at the Royal Festival Hall in London in 1984, and I swear it was a life-altering experience.
I envy you.

― Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 31 January 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

That Bauhaus Live DVD from the reunion tour a few years back is swell.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 31 January 2005 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I envy you.

It was a high point, I gotta admit.

― David A. (Davant), Monday, 31 January 2005 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll buck the trend here - they were astonishing at the RFH in 1984 (May?), and just as astonishing at the Usher Hall in Edinburgh in December of that year.

But the Heaven Or Las Vegas era shows weren't as much fun, and later ones were almost average.

So I don't think it's a single show thing.

Next time I see Liz in the supermarket, I'll have to ask her how all this came about.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 31 January 2005 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw them with Dif Juz at the Royal Festival Hall in London in 1984,

Please tell me you didn't. ACTUALLY. SEE. DIF. JUZ. Good god, I would have traded 5 Cocteaus gigs for a crack at those guys. There is some live stuff of theirs from '85 going round on the 'seek that is the equivalent of aural heroin, though.

My memory of seeing the Cocteaus differs from what's told here. I saw them twice as well, the first on the Heaven Or Las Vegas tour, and they just didn't quite seem to have it together. As I've said before, Liz battled with a huge amount of stage fright throughout their career, but I do think the venue plays a big role in these things as well. Then I saw them on the Milk & Kisses tour and she seemed so much more at ease, everything was peachily ethereal and angels blew trumpets in the air above the crowd, 'the armpit of god' etc. etc.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

This reformation thing is getting seriously out of hand. Acts of yer whole punk/new wave/etc era would better off just stopping the back-slapping "you all still love us? Aaaaawww..." moves, and MOVING ON TO SOMETHING ELSE!!

Let's hope this show consists of Liz Fraser reciting recent motherhood-inspired poetry to a backing of stylophone and tuba, rather than attempting to recreate 1984 or whatever.

Alas, this would appear to be precluded by rock audiences (not so) secretly being the most conservative and nostalgic of all.

― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

EVERYBODY, PLEASE STOP REFORMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Seriously! It's so sad and cringeworthy.

― Leon the Fanboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

That was sorta my thought when the Pixies reunited but you know, they put on a good show. Now admittedly I hadn't seen them before so there was that, whereas I have good memories of CT and Bauhaus and New Order and etc. from past times.

I admit I'm intrigued by the Dead Can Dance shows too. If anything their music ages well with the performers, I'll bet.

But yeah, I'm more excited about seeing MIA. In a club, not at Coachella.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

thats part of the problem w/ Coachella. Alot of the bands you want to see, you might as well see in a small club for 20 some bucks rather than throwing down 200 bucks to see them on a massive stage or a sweaty ass tent.

― Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The Cocteaus reformation is rumoured to be more than just a one-off, but to actually include new material.

FWIW,

― Hector Savage, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Bimble, the part that is going to make you hate me is that I was pretty much there for the Cocteaus and din't really give DJ my full attention. It's only afterward, when I heard more of their stuff, that I kicked myself. But it wasn't a severe kicking due to the all round magicalness of the CT in that airy setting, and how electric the atmosphere was, etc. It was one of those Cocteau shows where Liz completely conquered her stage fright via a weird kind of audience empathy thing. It's hard to explain.

aldo, I got a hold of a cassette bootleg of that show, and the date on it is indeed 8th of May 1984. It was one of those you used to send off for from the old NME classifieds, so that doesn't necessarily mean it's accurate, but do you remember there was some kind of celebration (Queen's birthday?) of fireworks on the Thames embankment right after we streamed out of the hall?

― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be crazy for the CTs to do a one-off waay past the other side of the ocean.

Not if the price was right it wouldn't.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever happened to Liz's solo album? I heard she was working with Trevor Horn or was that wishful thinking on my part.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The fireworks after the RFH were brilliant, it's hard to believe it was just a coincidence. I didn't pay much attention to Dif Juz there either, though I enjoyed them much more at the Usher Hall.

Also, the December show at the Usher Hall was the loudest show I've been to EVER. Louder than Motorhead. Louder than prime-era Swans. Really.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Agreed that The Heaven Or Las Vegas era gigs were pretty poor. I saw Dif Juz, but I can't remember where. Once I nearly saw Dead Can Dance - they were supposed to be supporting The Fall (!) but cancelled and were replaced by the Membranes.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, i saw Dif Juz too - all i can remember is that at the end the guy playing the saxophone had to lean down to his sax mic to say 'thanks, goodnight' but the mic had been switched off - he persisted for about 20 seconds trying to say goodbye but nobody could hear him - he shuffled off looking a bit embarrassed.

― zappi (joni), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Allright: ideal Cocteau Twins setlist time!

Lazy Calm
When Mama Was Moth
Summerhead
The Hollow Men
In the Gold Dust Rush
Serpentskirt
Carolyn's Fingers
Ivo
Great Spangled Fritillary
Strange Fruit
Aikea-Guinea

Encore:
The Spangle Maker
Whales Tails
Road, River, and Rail
Musette and Drums

― Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, I saw that. *ducks brickbats* Actually not true, I'd remember "Musette and Drums" for one thing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Once I nearly saw Dead Can Dance - they were supposed to be supporting The Fall (!)

Good lord. What a strange double bill that would've been.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha, you can say that again. I'm not sure I would have been able to switch mental gears properly in time for the next band to come on.

he persisted for about 20 seconds trying to say goodbye but nobody could hear him - he shuffled off looking a bit embarrassed.

Poor guy! :(

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Great setlist, Ian! I'd throw "Hitherto", "Millimillenary" and "Seekers Who are Lovers" in there somewhere, though.

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

and "Sugar Hiccup"!

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 08:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, fuck, and "Lorelei".

(This will be an all-night set.)

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

That'll be the second encore, David!

― Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The scary thing is I can afford to fly over for this. And I would were I a more frivolous person! I dont like the idea of seeing either the Coc's or Bauhaus at a blinkin' festival, tho.

Having not seen them live, I have heard a lot of boots and I know what people mean about the shows being all over the place - the Albert Hall gig is great on my tape (if hard to hear) but that phase in the mid 90s where Liz went all crazy scat singing freeform jazz was a bit... unusual, to say the least.

Their updated electro "wax and wane" is awesome.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 3 February 2005 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

That'll be the second encore, David!

Yes!

― David A. (Davant), Thursday, 3 February 2005 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

NY Times today says the Cocteaus will NOT be reforming to play Coachella, as Elisabeth has declined to participate.

― Jon Hope (jarge), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Smart lass.

― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

ah fuck

― kephm, Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm GUTTED about this.

― piscesboy, Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Guess they could afford the tax bill after all.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Beware the venom spewing from the Cocteau Twins forum. People were planning on flying in for the show solely to see the twins....

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

woah! must see this

link please?

― piscesboy, Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cocteautwins.com/html/news.html

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

No, the forums please. ;-) (I was referred to check them out yesterday but had trouble accessing it.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

u can't get into the forums, yet there appears to be a load of actual registered active users on there under a thread called COACHELLA.

poor liz looked half-crackers about 3 years ago on that jeff buckley bbc 4 docu bless her.

― piscesboy, Thursday, 17 March 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

My good friend Stripey and I talked about this briefly last night, both being confirmed Cocteaus addicts -- we agreed what we had always thought, namely that the reunion sounded a bit weird to our minds, that what we understood of the breakup was its trauma for all concerned and that we'd rather have a happier Liz on her own than the band together again.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd like it if she's record something again

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 17 March 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"she'd", rather. anyway, that robert wyatt cover was a good start. she should do more.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 17 March 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

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