Over in the corner
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link
Yes, "Squeeze" is just fairly dull.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
Okay, I liked the docu & it was all well done and stuff but I'm not sure I prefer it over the BBC South Bank Show (1986) one that's on the youtubes
― StanM, Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:07 (two years ago) link
The worst thing about Squeeze, for me, that distinguishes it from, say, American Flyer or something, is how nakedly it apes some of the worst stuff on Loaded like “Lonesome Cowboy Bill,” as though that was the aspect of the VU that was worth perpetuating.
― New Zealand, with that hottie (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link
So where would American Flyer be on that list? And did George Martin produce every group with America in the name?
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:43 (two years ago) link
On that chart
Another annoying omission: Jonas Mekas (and others) went on at length about how exciting the various art scenes were in NYC in the early '60s, but no mention was made of Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman et al. Maybe a minor point, but that music was a major movement in NYC at the time, some of those artists were massive influences on the Velvets, and Lou said "Sister Ray" was his attempt to do in rock 'n' roll what Cecil and Ornette were doing in their area of activity.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:49 (two years ago) link
Yeah, and I seem to recall at least one member of Ornette’s band recording with Lou.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
Yep, Don Cherry worked with Lou at one point in the '70s.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:53 (two years ago) link
La Monte Young and Allen Ginsberg as well!
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
And no I am not talking about Tanya Haden’s a cappella rendition of Metal Machine Music.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:56 (two years ago) link
dammit JR I was so hoping that was real
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:58 (two years ago) link
Hah, sorry! Maybe we can find a way to request it.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:59 (two years ago) link
A lot of people don’t know I deliberately chose my screenname initials to match Jonathan Richman.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
Tanya already paid tribute to at least one artist on that graph, why not another.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 16:02 (two years ago) link
no I am not talking about Tanya Haden’s a cappella rendition of Metal Machine Music.
read this as Tonya Harding
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 October 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
XPS but everyone who did ended up contributing to the 'rejected jbr screennames' thread.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
Lol. Let me check.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link
Perhaps you are referring to this run: rejected JBR screen names2Warning: does not work in Zing.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link
One more iteration:Put Cherry on your shoulder
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 17:01 (two years ago) link
I have this bootleg on vinyl pretty fun
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/lou-reed/at-the-roxy-with-don-cherry/
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:09 (two years ago) link
the inclusion of Jackson Browne in this doc threw me for a loop at first. Had no idea he was playing w Nico etc.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link
Yeah, IIRC they had a fling - but after hearing her cover of "These Days" (beautiful cover too) it was less of a surprise when I read about it.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:22 (two years ago) link
Yeah limiting it to people who were actually involved with/playing with the group was key. We were spared Dave Grohl etc.
The one exception, of course, should be Cher, regardless of whether she's changed her mind or not.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:22 (two years ago) link
yeah he plays on Chelsea Girl! and wrote a song on it iirc
xxp
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:22 (two years ago) link
one hour until showtime!
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:23 (two years ago) link
He also wrote Fairest of the Seasons
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:24 (two years ago) link
Browne even get a short entry in Lillian Roxon's encyclopedia (1969), largely because of his Nico connection (also mentions songs of his on a Steve Noonan album, who I now want to hear).
― clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:31 (two years ago) link
yeah he plays on Chelsea Girl! and wrote a song on it iircxxp
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
(xxp) Berlin was more successful than Transformer in the UK, in terms of chart positions (it reached 7, Transformer got to 13). Transformer probably sold more though. You can thank David Bowie for both, I'd say.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link
thanks david bowie for both of them!
― typo hell 13: crypto in insidious, though (Karl Malone), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link
Love the story of Ian Hunter being disgusted by Lou’s microphone technique when Bowie brought him in to sing “Sweet Jane.” Probably read that in Trouser Press, who knows what issue./pvmic
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link
I love how Haynes finally got to work with Bowie in this film. Briefly and, on the latter's part, unsuspectedly.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link
Multixp Transformer had legs in the UK and was certified platinum in 2913, poor old Berlin stuck at silver.
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
2013 that is.
was gonna say, legs indeed!
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
McNeil?
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
This discussion has me increasingly interested in seeing the doc, despite familiarity w subject and the director's previous tendency toward gimmickry---speaking of Browne and Noonan, (from Jackson Browne - C or D? (according to something long ago in Goldmine---an epic trek into the early daze of BOC and Soft White Underbelly etc---Meltzer and classmates, one of whom was from Cali. seized control or some of it of the campus concert committee, so first East Coast shows of several Frisco bands and the Orange County Three, Buckley, Browne, and Steve Noonan---and Browne stayed around and hung out with Meltzer, Pearlman, and so on, eventually meeting Nico (I think that was it).
― dow, Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:23 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
(They may have been advertised as the Orange County Three, but sep sets on the same bill, I believe.)
― dow, Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:25 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Oh yeah, here's the 1968 Cheetah Magazine consideration of thee so-called Orange County Three:http://galacticramble.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-orange-county-three.html
― dow, Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:30 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Cover model Michael J. Pollard!
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:47 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Second two-page spread of that piece eerily foreshadows Yacht Rock
― baelien (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:56 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
birdistheword, I do find that attribute (that I might call plain-spokenness) in some of Browne's work, like The Only Child on The Pretender.
I've wanted to read the Paul Nelson compilation/biography, but haven't encountered it yet.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, February 6, 2021 7:23 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
XP ...and the final paragraphs provide a harbinger of Browne's asshole friends.
― "what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, February 6, 2021 7:26 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Ah, okay, here's Noonan, and some stuff about the "Three"'s origins, in Unterberger's liner notes for reissue of s/t debut: he and their high school buddy Greg Copeland wrote "Buy For Me The Rain," Top 40 Nitty Gritty Dirt Band hit. also, Noonan, very extensively quoted here, says that he and Browne wrote things first recorded by Tom Rush etc., attributed to JB only, and he mentions "The Fairest of the Seasons," which I know is on the Nico LP and I think is the one w typo, "Browne-Copland,"confusing me until I heard of Greg Copeland: with all them strings and the melodee, it had me wondering if based on something by Aaron C. Noonan mentions seeing boy Browne as accompanist for Nico and El Cohen (singing together, I hope): http://www.richieunterberger.com/noonan.html
― dow, Saturday, February 6, 2021 Noonan makes it clear that he fought w producer of first album, was not pleased w results (although claims that it has a following: which, why not, every album has some kind of following, as Internets remind us---might be good; some of the producer's ideas seem kind of promising)
― dow, Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link
I reckon Berlin was like Scott 3, people bought it on the strength of the last album(s) and were like, "Jesus, this a bit depressing, I don't think I'll bother with his next one".
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link
.. in the UK, that is, I assume nobody bought it in the US.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link
haha…the National Review movie critic is not impressed
Liberals hold to a fantasy of bold oppositional attitudes, so Haynes celebrates VU’s dubious revolution. The Velvet Underground indicates that what Bob Dole later called “the culture of depravity” has won. When Warhol actress Mary Woronov talks of “where the artist comes in, because he’s not with society, he’s different,” she recalls a different world from today. Yet Haynes ignores the fact that, 50 years on, and many pop evolutions after VU infected the culture, Millennial pop today tends toward compliance, conformity, and elitism. All those negatives that now accrue to VU’s legacy describe why Haynes’ tribute fails.
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:28 (two years ago) link
National Review movie critic = Armond White
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:32 (two years ago) link
To make Berlin, Lou subsequently had to deliver two 'Commercial' albums to RCA, which is how Sally Can't Dance and R'n'R Animal (and by accident, Lou Reed Live) happened.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link
Is Lou Reed Live just some more of the same stuff recorded for RnRA?
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link
I have cracked “The Murder Mystery”! It was the Libtards , in the New York Public Library, with the Lewis Allan Reed Collection.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
XP Yes, it's most of the rest of the show, and is most recently available under the title "Extended Versions". A couple more tracks were added to the R'n'R Animal reissue.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:15 (two years ago) link
Thanks. If I have never warmed up to RnRA would I like this one? I kind of prefer that album with, what are they called, The Tots.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:17 (two years ago) link
Probably not? There's a grooved-out "Oh Jim" jam that hits 10 minutes, plus a few Transformer numbers and a brief "Waiting For The Man".
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
I ended up watching that PBS Glam thing on YT last night, there's a cool live clip of Glam Lou doing "Vicious" in it.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link