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just wanted to shout to the world wide web my love for this track. its the first summer tune of the year innit

danny weed hold tight

― radioclit, Thursday, 17 March 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

*droooools* Do you an mp3 you can email out?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

on your way...

― radioclit, Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

me too please

― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Do I know this?

Could you send it to me please?

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay I will have to listen at home (no itunes here.) THANKS! I'll forward to you, Adam.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

noblemusic at gmail dot com puhleeze!! (alex or radioclit!)

― jermaine (jnoble), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't this on Rollin' Deeper though?

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

is this the one that er, "samples" that northern soul song?

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay done. I tried sending it to your email minus the (), Chris? Is that right?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

is this the one that er, "samples" that northern soul song?

right, that's what I was thinking.

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

IMO this track is kind of boring.

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

If it's the one I'm thinking of then I probably agree w/you.

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this on the suspicious "album" you gave me, Adam?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

yes

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand that "album" at all (esp. given how amazing the Roll Deep stuff on Aim High 2 and the various radio rips lately has been sounding.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Sometimes music just isn't good.

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Sometimes the best team loses.

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

etc

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand that "album" at all (esp. given how amazing the Roll Deep stuff on Aim High 2 and the various radio rips lately has been sounding.)

i agree. it's kind of mediocre. wiley seems to have made the fateful assumption that middle of the road = pop.

also, not enough riko, trim on the album and way too much wiley (isn't he releasing a solo album to boot?) and breeze.

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still not totally convinced that's the album that's going to get released though. I mean if it was I'd figure that it would be what they were doing on all these radio bits, right?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Semtex played out "The Avenue", the one on the Creeper rhythm, and the one about "back in the day" w/ the squeaky soul sample (yeah that narrows it down) as far back as October/November and said that they were from "the Roll Deep album".

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I agree that this is A Roll Deep album, but like I said I'm not convinced that this is what will actually come out. Don't you get the idea that if this was THE record, they would be supporting it more by actually doing stuff off of it on the air?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

^^^^^ not really judging by wiley's track record. his first album was mostly new material written expressly for the album as opposed to a collection of 12"'s. so instead of vocal versions of eskimo 1, 2, 3 , ice rink, etc. we got new stuff. so there's no reason to think that he's going to put on all the most recent underground beats (firefly, colder, dragon stout etc.)

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Fine. Rain on my parade. Haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Wiley didn't do much "on air" to support his album either.

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks to everyone who mailed this to me...i guess

― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, you get the idea that grime guys (Wiley, esp.) are not the uh savvy of businessmen. They ain't exactly taking on the industry Wu-Tang style.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

this song makes no sense - i am flabbergasted!

― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i swear if this album flops wiley's gonna have to retire. i fear for him.

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Well he could still produce great tracks, but yeah I get the idea that Wiley as MC force and crew focal point would be kinda over.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"Yeah, you get the idea that grime guys (Wiley, esp.) are not the uh savvy of businessmen. They ain't exactly taking on the industry Wu-Tang style. "

agreed, the kids want funky hard beats from their grime artists, not C-level faux-kanye beats.

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Hell that's what I want from my grime artists, too! And I'm nearly THIRTY haha!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

NOT ESKI

― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

this song has no discernable 'beat' at all unless you count the handclaps - whither the drums? its all "ew-ew-ew-ew" and i'm all "eww-eww-eww-eww".

― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

^^^ ya i know dude, it's hurting.

― captain easychord (captain easychord), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

So this is not the one that samples The Maisonettes' "Heartache Avenue"? That is brill.

― JoB (JoB), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, kudos to that one, which has ignited my love for the original "Heartache Love"

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

you guys are just crazy

you make me think of people who don't like robot rock

when are you gonna realise the only good tunes in grime are the looney ones? ice rink, serious thugs, stand up tall, helloooooooooo?

whatever i'll keep bumping this in my car with a big smile on my face

― radioclit, Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

the only good tunes in grime are the looney ones?

Do you not see the difference between this and the three tunes you just mentioned?

(not that I want to sound ungrateful to you for sending this, btw)

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that what people are saying on this thread is when you think how many tight MCs Roll Deep have and you know what kind of beat Wiley is (still) capable of producing, this seems a little...I don't know...second rate?

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess if wanting to hear grime that's actually errrr grimey makes me a purist, well then..

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU ARE A REGULAR TITCHY SCHNEIDER NOW ADAM!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

god I know

― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever this is, im into the roll deep not-grime thing.

i think wiley is still ahead of the curve. if this album flops, i still thin khe will remain at the epicentre of grime. what he does now will inluence what people do in the future. His exploration of completely different sound sources otuside of the normal palette is sometthing to rejoice at ratehr than bemoan, for me.

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree with you ambrose wiley is the king of grime

but this is not a wiley tune, i heard danny weed made it

― radioclit, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

emm aye arr kay dot pee why tee el aye kay at the gmail dot com please?

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 18 March 2005 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I just sent it to you, Mark. Is this really on the Roll Deep album? I must have repressed it. Yeah, it's um not terribly good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

my bad

i just have this sort of vision of wiley as the svengali of the whole thign, i cant see others breaking out of his spell, his influence on the scene. no one else seems to have the vision for grime that he does. he has plotted a route for it, and although things havent worked out the way he imagined (eg no one actually likes grime), he is stubbiorn enough to hold on to that vision. with a finger in every pie, and a knack of stirring things up to promote interest, and being diplomatic to the right people to keep the scene from total fragmentation, he is the major player for me.

I dont really have any evidence forr this, just what i see on tv, and what comes across on radio, tunes etc. Wiley always talks about "seeing beyond" grime, seeing beyond E3, and i think, despite otheres talking a similar talk, hes the only one that really understands what that means, and how it can be achieved. Ok so Dizzee did it, and I feel Kano can do it, but Kano will achieve personal success but won't influence the direction of the music.

ok thus ends the hagiography. also, my predictions are unerringly incorrect....

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

thank god for the remix. hold tight riko on that one...

― bogo (bogo), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I must here this remix (the Danny Weed one right?) Anyway got it to email?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

with a bit of conversion maybe, yes. check back later, will yousendit.

― bogo (bogo), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

recorded at a bus stop, so apologies for sound quality and cut-off ending. complete with logan's original chatter - my favourite part: 'scratchy d!'. http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1LEUPOTS6IW2Y09MY4YZIRIB0N

― bogo (bogo), Monday, 11 April 2005 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you! I will listen at home.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

bless Danny Weed. sow's ear, silk purse.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

ok i would defend the og a thousand times over than ever suffer this wack rmx again

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha we live in different worlds. This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than original it's not even funny.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

could someone email me the remix mp3 or yousendit it?

[email protected]

― radioclit, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ummm, there's a yousendit just six posts above this sentence.

― ---- (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

I hear this on the radio quite a lot recently. I know shit about roll deep, etc, but this track is unbelievably bad! WTF? If yr going to hang yer track on a sample as strong & memorable as that maisonettes' piece, you've got to bring something more that this to it!

― feeling sharp pains in my left tit (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 September 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Sharp pains in my left tit

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 7 July 2008 11:57 (seventeen years ago)

I can't remember why I used that as a username back then. Oh yeah, hang on it was a line from the record, wasn't it. It was a pretty ropey effort, I think? Got a lot of airplay nevertheless.

― Pashmina, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:02 (seventeen years ago)

Not as good as the original.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 7 July 2008 12:17 (seventeen years ago)

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