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Here's the first single, "Beverly Hills" :

http://www.albumfive.com/downloads/weezer_beverlyhills_bostonradio.mp3

I can't stop laughing.

The album is out May 10th.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Saturday, 19 March 2005 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it suppoused to sound fucked up?

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Saturday, 19 March 2005 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

some people call me the space cowboy...some people call me maurice

― 6335, Saturday, 19 March 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm... this is a poor song.

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Saturday, 19 March 2005 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

This album is going to be sold on TV through commercials that are run only on E! during the Howard Stern Show. It will be bracketed with Girls Gone Wild! adverts and 1-800-Hot-Leggs.

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Saturday, 19 March 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

this is so sad.....
are you sure this is the same band that did "Only in Dreams"?

― Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Well... I guess technically it's not...

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

what are the little female voices saying in the chorus?
are they asian females?

― Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure they are in the video...

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

this album is going to rule.

― charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

you can hear the rick rubin-ess in the drums

― charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

THE GOOD LIFE II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO!!!

Rivers is totally getting back to the Pinkerton lyrical style. Feelin' it! So excited.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

ooh I just hit the wah wah

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a little slow

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually its "Good Life" lyrically but "El Scorcho" musically. Hot diggity damn.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

kinda dangerous to make a song about how you don't want to be famous. america has a way of making your wish come true. Ask jakob dylan.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

this sounds nothing like "The Good Life" or "El Scorcho"

― Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh! and another thing....who told Rivers he could rap?

― Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm excited for this album. Big time. Karl (Weez.com webmaster) says this song was just made to please the label anyway, and considering it isn't THAT terrible, I'm pretty excited.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

he just as much on "el scorcho"

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

he rapped just as much, I mean

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it. It kinda reminds me of "I Love Rock 'n' Roll," musically. I can't wait to hear the rest of the album.

― John Fredland (jfredland), Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

fun.

― I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Terrible.

― Patrick South (Patrick South), Saturday, 19 March 2005 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The tune moves along as if it just took a bong hit. Hmmm.. makes me think those might have been some HAZY sessions. Weezer's "Sgt.Pepper" anyone??

― ZionTrain, Saturday, 19 March 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought they'd dumped Rick Rubin and were going to self-produce it?

― Nick H (Nick H), Saturday, 19 March 2005 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Rick Rubin didn't do the day-by-day but he worked on the pre-production, and oversaw from a far. Came back in for Rivers' final vocal performances. He's the guru.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 19 March 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG

it's like it's 1998 all over again. Kottonmouth Kings, Space Monkeys and Bran Van 3000 4 life!!!!

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

for the record, this is a good thing.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i expected somethig much worse. it is fun to marry steve miller with rap.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

this is greeeat.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Sunday, 20 March 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/tracks/05-03-22.shtml

This is such a stupid review. This guy is obsessed with college students and not much else. Is that all you need to get a writing job at pitchfork? Apart from the two words we get about the music "guitar solo" (for those who can't find them; it's hard i know) he just rants about the lyrics in a vaguely coherent manner. I happen to like this song (not love - but certainly not hate) and I love 'You Shook Me All Night Long' - in a decidedly un-ironic way.

What's worse - the kid that drinks beer, hangs carmen electra on his wall and probably listens to John Mayer. Or is it the guy that takes easy shots at people like our friend? At least the kid doesn't need irony to justify anything. He probably thinks it's ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife.

(NB: I know Nick posts here and I don't mean this as a personal attack at all - but man, that review sucks.)

"The only thing worse than this song's "ironic" 1-4-5, "ironic" lyrics, and "ironic" guitar solo are the people who genuinely like it all. You know the type-- he threw the party in Lowell House last week that had "Laid" and "Instant Pleasure" and "You Shook Me All Night Long" and "TNT" and "Baba O'Riley" on his Winamp playlist. He hung "Must Be 21 to Drink" signs on the walls between his Belushi poster and the inkjet printout of Carmen Electra wearing suspenders. He made a point of telling everyone he bought Smirnoff Ice "for the ladies." He wears flip-flops year-round, studies government, and at last count, has five different nicknames for his dick.

Actually I thought of one more thing worse than this song: all the L.A. kids smart enough to get Cuomo's joke, but still lame enough to quote the song's chorus in their AIM profiles when they really miss their big fucking houses and Harvard-Westlake proms and "animal-style" slabs of cowshit-- the world's most overrated sandwiches in the world's most overrated city. For Chrissake, somebody give Cuomo a star so we can forget about him again. [Nick Sylvester]"

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

yah thats a pathetic write up. sorry.

― charleston charge (chaki), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I was disappointed to find it was Nick Sylvester. I usually like his writing. But this is insipid.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

What in god's name is wrong with playing AC/DC and The Who and drinking Smirnoff Ice at a party? I've been to parties where all they had was Limp Bizkit and Coors Lite.

― I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i think someone stole the guy's girlfriend or something. preoccupied with all the totally unnecessary, bitter invective, he forgot to actually say anything of substance about the track. you know, to 'review' it...

― Lee F# (fsharp), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Woah, did Nick have a Shining moment there? The spirit of 20th century Pfork take over for a sec?

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean this song is their worst 'first single off our new album' by far, but christ 'GRRR I HATE PREPPIES,' wtf.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

That's easily one of the worst things I've ever read on Pitchfork. Insulting a band because of their fans is one of those things I can't stand about rock critics. Hey man, I play "Baba O'Riley" and "You Shook Me All Night Long" at parties too! It's like you're insulting ME.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

once again, Pitchfork is accurate in their rating, but the review sucks....re: the song, it's complete garbage, is worlds away from Pinkerton, and even Good Charlotte would be embarrassed to put out something this lame

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

This was even worse than their review of Arular. The whole time I was like, "Okay, when is he gonna talk about the actual songs?"

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The only thing worse than this song's "ironic" 1-4-5, "ironic" lyrics, and "ironic" guitar solo are the people who genuinely like it all.

Yeah, and they'll never EVER be as cool as you, you self-loving conceited git.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like the track. I like the drums in the verse with the handclap and Rivers rap-esque vocal style. I really like the breakdown with the "the truth is..." bit. Could have been SO much worse.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if Nick would dare tell us the type of black music fan he can't stand.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i have to say that i actually really like the song too.

but then i'm a cock rock frat boy and my dick has an identity crisis, so i guess i would.

― Lee F# (fsharp), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I've met Nick and he's a cool guy, but this is embarassing enough that I think it deserves being decried.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean this song is their worst 'first single off our new album' by far

..."Hash Pipe"?

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

hash pipe is one of the best songs ever you crazy fool

― charleston charge (chaki), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hash Pipe" blows this track away. He's an angry tranvestite prostitute through out the song! Sounds like a dope on the bridge of "Beverly Hills."

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"Beverly Hills" makes me worry about that in the near-decade since he last got confessional he's done nothing but take stupid pills.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

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no I'm saying that I used to have a similar way of dealing with opposing opinions and espousing my personal favorites.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

and catchy poppy yay is totally valid.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

oh Fever, I didn't mean to specifically pick on you, although that is kind of an unwinnable argument. (xp)

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I really should let sleeping threads lie and stop being a dick on here, but I'm spinning some of the tracks I don't plan to keep ("Perfect Situation," "This Is Such A Pity," and "Freak Me Out" will do me fine) and ok this ain't adolescent poetry shit this is BARNEY shit. "Pardon Me," "My Best Friend," listen to those lyrics and tell me you don't see a big purple dinosaur dopily leading children in some inane good manners yammer. Boston meets Barney. Feel it!

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

http://pbskids.kids.us/images/sub-square-barney.gif

When everything is wrong I'll come talk to you
You make things alright when I'm feeling blue

You are such a blessing and I wont be messing
with the one thing that brings light to all of my darkness

You are my best friend
and I love you, and I love you
Yes I do

There is no other one that can take your place
I feel happy inside when I see your face
I hope you believe me
Because I speak sincerely
and I mean it when I tell you I need you

You are my best friend
and I love you, and I love you
Yes I do

I'm here right beside you
I will never leave you
and I feel the pain you feel when you start crying

You are my best friend
and I love you, and I love you
Yes I do

You are my best friend
and I love you, and I love you
Yes I do
Yes I do...
Yes I do

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me, Anthony - should I be cowed by the majority of people who hate the record and assume that I'm wrong for enjoying the record? Am I wrong for engaging with music in the digital age, and I can just delete the songs I don't like, and focus more on the accumulation of good songs rather than insist than every record be an unimpeachable classic? Should I be totally unforgiving and unsympathetic to musicians, and demand that they always do exactly what I want and never go off on weird tangents that displease me as a consumer?

Sorry, but I'm not going to disagree with myself simply because a bunch of disappointed fans are hating on the record because it's not what they want it to be. (Maybe some of you would dig "Beverly Hills" more if the chorus was "Hot Asian teens, that's who I want to bone! / Stalking hot Asian teens!")

In ten years I doubt many people will think of Make Believe as being a classic, but I do think that a lot of Weezer fans will cool down and have some perspective on the record and maybe give the songs a fair shot because they won't feel so betrayed or whatever.

I really don't see how a goofy pop song about loving your best friend is any more or less dumb than a goofy pop song about going surfing because you don't like someone's face.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

the pitchfork dude was right about how "We Are All On Drugs" fits with the diarrhea song

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, he was.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

And thus poop unites the warring factions.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://pbskids.kids.us/images/sub-square-barney.gif

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The only "betrayal" fans seem to feel is that Weezer made what is by a fairly wide consesus a shitty album. Whether you enjoyed Maladroit or the Green Album is immaterial, and should be.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

(Maybe some of you would dig "Beverly Hills" more if the chorus was "Hot Asian teens, that's who I want to bone! / Stalking hot Asian teens!")

HI STRAWMAN!

I just wanted some decent Weezer tunes dude. I don't ask for much.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Weezer are the only band I know where there was tons of discussion about how the general consensus on each album's quality was discussed three times in a row (S/T [Green], Maladroit, and Make Believe), and that it was mostly negative... yet Weezer fans have not given up by now, not in the least. Most bands wouldn't even last a lukewarm album consensus, much less three negative album consensi. (or is that consenses?) (Matthew is the exception here, obviously.)

Pavement never went even through that degree of scrutiny (aside from Pavement dedicated forums, of course)... not even Brighten The Corners or Terror Twilight. But then again, they broke up before they had a chance to outdo Weezer in this specific instance.

(I think we all agree that a best-of Weezer is now highly craved and highly due in about a year or so)

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(I mean, this plagued Neil Young in the 80s, obviously, but I'm talking about the same generation of fans of a given band here.. by the time the 90s rolled around, Young's fanbase certainly amended new recruits..)

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(hmmm, i'm starting to think my original hypothesis is total bunk. Oh well. :( )

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Well it's probably also worth noting that The Blue Album and Pinkerton got tons of hate back when they were new records too. It was painfully uncool to admit to liking Weezer until at least 1999.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought lots of people liked Brighten the Corners....I did, at least...it's one of my favorites, actually. Am I outside the norm? Was it generally poorly received?

Terror Twilight doesn't get much love from anyone though.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't remember any Weezer hate back then.. but they weren't on a pedestal that they are on now, surely. I remember a back page review of a Weezer show from 1996 or so in the L.A. times, and it was terrible. The review went "Weezer are a fun 'average guy' rock band that has perfected songs for people who are average males!".

Certainly not a review they'd get now.

I won't comment on Pavement as I think Terror Twilight's their best album. I'd be SKWEWING WITH THE STATS!

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact, right around Pinkerton, Orange County CA (where I was living) got an influx of Weezer influenced bands, or even Weezer rip-off bands.. like Nerf Herder. (anyone remember them?)

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't remember any Weezer hate back then

Hi there! (I do agree that they weren't held in such high esteem then. Also, Nerf Herder were from Santa Barbara.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

that Van Halen song is rad, I don't care what anybody says! I got the CD single for a buck at Cheapo! YAY!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of people love Brighten The Corners. There's some people who don't like it (I know Gygax has been very consistent in expressing disdain for that album since at least 99 or so), but I think that it's a lot of Pavement fans like but not as intensely as the first three lps. I know that it's a big classic to me, but it's not quite on the same level as Slanted & Enchanted and Wowee Zowee. I think BTC is the pinnacle of Malkmus as a lyricist, and it's definitely a big turning point in his career as a songwriter. I think a lot of folks who don't enjoy his solo/Jicks music view BTC as the beginning of the end, but whatever.

I'm a big fan of Terror Twilight too, but I'd have to say that out of the five Pavement LPs and the three Malkmus records, it's my least favorite.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew this would turn into a Which Pavement Album Is Best? thread.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 12 May 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i know it's supposedly trouble to do so, but why is no one going at this from the angle of authenticity or sincerity? i don't know how it plays out but i have no trouble admitting that i prefer the first two records to the next three because (regardless of whether they have well-constructed songs or acceptable lyrics that can be taken as signs of cuomo's neuroses) they're ahem more 'real'. i'm sure one can argue that there are, like, all the usual (to the tradition of pop-rock songwriting) emotional and rhetorical contents in the songs on the third and fourth albums, but i had trouble hearing that through what seemed like a constant layer of distance, like 'THIS IS A POP ROCK SONG' prepended to every note. and not in the interesting way that calls attention to the artifact or the process or something like that. more like a sign of poor human development.

to take the records this way is problematic, i suppose, but i don't think it can be avoided if you go for the band on an album level as opposed to a singles level. those first two records went for -some- kind of authenticity of -something- even while leaving it out in the open that doing so was not without problems. (like: reappropriating kiss? etc.)

(i say 'next three' but i haven't heard the new one, just the single; i haven't seen yet from that why i would want to hear the whole thing, but i'll probably hear it eventually.)

(i have not read every detail of this thread, so apologies if this is out of place.)

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 12 May 2005 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I think its fair to say that this one will not undergo any Pinkerton-esque revisionism....people assaulted Pinkerton because it was more gritty and less immediate than the debut...people assault Make Believe because it is bland, lazy and cringe-worthy...Beverly Hills sounds like a Gap commercial,and the ballads are such an obvious ploy for a "hit single" that they sink from their own bloated expectation...Pinkerton had some childish lyrics but it came across as sincere, whereas MB just comes across as fake, in a very embarassing way....Cuomo is trying to mold the Weezer pattern into "catchy" (the same way that a commercial spot is "catchy" in that you cannot get the annoyingness out of your head) songs, whereas his first too albums created a Weezer pattern out of his own tortured insides...some of these aspects were cringe-worthy (such as the pre-pubescent japanese girl crush) but they were cringe-worthy in a sincere way...he's definetely (though I'm not sure he's doing it consciously) putting his fans on with this one, giving them something palatable that he expects they will buy, rather than creating something real...I'm not surprised Mathew likes this, as his taste usually falls for such pop music

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

something real

Please, never use this phrase again ever ever.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, I wish the new Joss Stone Gap ads sounded more like "Beverly Hills" and less like super Latte lameness.

I hate to tell you this, but Weezer has been catchy in the same way since 1994. You can't unfry things, dude. He can't be what he's not.

Yeah, I do love pop music! That's totally true.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"something real" = something not banal/uninspired/put-on/forced

Mathew - I didn't necessarily mean it as a put-down, you have popist views and from a pop-ist standpoint I can see your love for this album....however, it runs conradictory to my views and everything I believe makes great music

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

and I have no problem with pop music either...my criticism lies in your popist lack of quality control, the ambiguity of what you percieve as "catchy"...from your comments it doesn't seem that you have the ability to see-through the fake, commercial aspects of certain mainstream music...anything with a "hook" you can enjoy without being able to discern that which is made as a product (i.e. not art but a commodity) and that which is made as a true reflection of an artist...there's pop music that does this (Rivers Cuomo was once able to do this himself)...maybe its because I'm a musician and not a critic, but Make Believe reeks of a farce, a put-on stale tasting product, and you're buying into it

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

So what's your take on Avril Lavigne, then?

― Baaderonixx (it must be a camel) (Fabfunk), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

a stale-product as well, though she never even had the integrity that would inspire such fan-outrage

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, just wait til her fourth album.

My name has two t's!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

josh k otm.

I don't like the individual songs as much as you, Matthew ("Perfect Situation" is the one I -adore-), but the thing that stops me from even conceiving of this as a good -album- is what josh says. even if the number of good songs bumped above the 50% mark, i think i'd still prefer Pinkerton because of the way it mixed awesome punk-pop singleness -and- some good ole rock earnesty. i love bands that mix awesomely pure pop melodies with a little bit of heart and soul. (obv i'm not alone, and this is a fairly banal thing to say, but a lot of the talk hee has been about splitting into two camps - popist/rockist, love/hate MB, want 'real'/dismiss 'real, - and there's an obv middle way.) sigur ros's agaetis byrjun is like the bizarro version of pinkerton, albeit arted up.

avril's a perfect example! i love her last album, and it's got that same stupid emo genuineness that i love on Pinkerton (which Make Believe lacks). That doesn't matter at all on a singles level, nor would it if I thought MB was a super-awesome singles album (like Matthew does), but since I don't, the record's degree of disney-surf-rock distancing makes it much less compelling than Weezer's first 2.

I actually think it's pretty identical to The Green Album in terms of what it is.

― Sean M (Sean M), Thursday, 12 May 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The word "authenticity" should be srtricken from all ILM threads.

As for "Make Believe," guys, c'mon. Follow the Oscar Wilde dictum: an [album] is either well written or badly written; that is all.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 12 May 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The word "authenticity" should be srtricken from all ILM threads.

The real problem is connotative. My feelings for and against many pieces of music are incredibly authentic!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 May 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i am not unfamiliar with ilm's history with concepts like authenticity. but it remains that some people relate to some things in ways centered around concepts like authenticity, sincerity, and so on. it's appropriate to some music, for some people, in ways not easily dismissable with ilm truisms. (a lot of the controversy over 'authenticity', for example, has had to do with instances where the concept is used as a way to characterize 'good' genres against 'bad' ones. but its failure to achieve what some people would like it to in those instances doesn't also thus take it out of circulation, stop it from being at play.)

how else to try to understand the weird, lurching artfulness/artlessness of say 'across the sea' (the most japanese song off pinkerson)?

― Josh (Josh), Friday, 13 May 2005 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think a lot of the hate going Weezer's way is good in the long run as it will probably cause Rivers to go all self-conscious/breakdown again and make another record like Pinkerton, which many critics and fans want. It's a musical good cop/bad cop.

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 13 May 2005 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

This song is awesome so don't say anything else if you think it's bad you have horrible taste..

― Ciara, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

like Nerf Herder. (anyone remember them?)

I have some High School friends who worked with them on some tracks last year in Santa Barbara.

― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

we are weezer / we used to be kinda cool and eccentric / but now everything even remotely endearing about us / has turned to corporate bullshit

― richard wood johnson, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

'beverly hills' is my favourite weezer record.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

but people think they're being all ironic, which they aren't.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

but people think they're being all ironic, which they aren't.

which is odd, because a lot of people here are complaining about their lack of sincerity now!

― richard wood johnson, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

eleven months pass...

this album pretty much killed me
hold me was like the only good track

― ashley shey (stillearning), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

if only they'd simply break up and quit giving us all these crap not-even-good-cars-rip-offs!

all the fun has been misplaced

― edde (edde), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

dood the next album will be dark and difficult. doesnt anyone get it yet?

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

oooo!
see, now that sounds enticing!!!
like a glow in the dark cupcake.

― edde (edde), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Got to admit I only really ever listen to "Pinkerton" and the two self titleds nowadays. Still quite like "Beverley Hills" though.

― Nick H (Nick H), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

it's got a fine simple riff, but it always makes think of 'I Love Rock n Roll'...and i find that song better.

― edde (edde), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

weezer was killed in a bus accident in 1998 and replaced with a group of malfunctioning androids.

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

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