Alternative history -- IF Morrison, Lennon etc. wouldn`t die.

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If Jim Morrison wouldn`t die in 1971, the history would continue:
1972 -- 73 -- two Doors albums in more heavy rock way.
1974 -- Doors splits, Jim releases solo album with quite nice success.
1976 -- another Morrison solo with lesser success.
1978 -- Morrison tries a bit punkier sounds and flops.
1979 -- Morrison tries to return to commercial sounds but fails again.
1980 -- Morrison releases a novel.
1982 -- rumours about Doors reunion.
1984 -- Doors makes reunion shows and makes a new synth-sounding album with quite nice sales success.
1985 -- Doors takes part of Live Aid.
1986 -- another Doors albub which flops and band dissolves.
1988 -- Morrison first autobiography is released.
1989 -- another Doors reunion and tour.
1993 -- Doors reunion and releasing a rough-sounding album with surprisingly big success.
1996 -- another trip-hop and electronic music influenced album (with moderate sales success) and tour.
1999 -- Morrison dies after heart-attac.


Margus Kiis, estonian rock critic (Margus Kiis, estonian rock cri), Saturday, 19 March 2005 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Jim Morrison was a joke, a no talent fool. I wiswh he'd lived so we could have been spared all the myth making.

shookout (shookout), Saturday, 19 March 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

2000 -- Tours with Bill Duffy, Matt Sorum as The Cult Experience
2003 -- Plays halftime Frito Lay Super Bowl extravaganza, exposes left testicle
2007 -- Golden Globe nomination for understated depiction of Kim Il Jong in Oliver Stone's "Jong!"

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Saturday, 19 March 2005 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"I wiswh he'd lived so we could have been spared all the myth making"

Why do you care so much anyway? Just switch tv/radio channels if there's something on about the Doors..

J. Dublin, Saturday, 19 March 2005 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

1982: Emotionally violent breakup with Yoko Ono
1985: Beatles reunited on stage during the Live Aid concert
1988: Releases Jeff Lynne produced solo album. Massive sales, hated by critics
1990: Finally moves back to England, after the end of the cold war means he doesn't risk not getting back into the US again
1995: Joins Oasis onstage duetting with the Gallaghers on "I Am The Walrus"
1998: First Beatles album since "Let It Be", will also become the last, following George's death in 2001.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 19 March 2005 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

we are the music makers and the dreamers of dreams.

f--gg (gcannon), Saturday, 19 March 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Tito Puente:
2001: Rerecords "Oye Como Va" with Santana for charity album helping NYC firefighters.
2002: Dies at the age of 79.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

June 1980 - Joy Division records an EP with Martin Hannett. EP not entirely stellar but includes some good tracks. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" 12" single released, makes top of indie charts and barely squeaks into UK Top 40.
July 1980 - Closer released, hits top of independent charts and also barely squeaks into UK Top 40.
September 1980 - EP recorded back in June makes UK Top 40 and top of independent charts, critical acclaim is positive but not as enthusiastically so as was the case with Closer. Short UK tour ensues with a jaunt to Europe.
October 1980 - Ian and Deborah Curtis divorce. Collapse of relationship with Annik Honore leads to breakdown at Plan K - Brussels gig, spends next seven months recouperating. Decides that Joy Division should go more in a pop direction, inspired by a chat with Green Gartside back in May.
May 1981 - Joy Division return to the studio for a third album. It blends marries the sound of "Ceremony"-Movement-1981-1982 EP-Power, Corruption, and Lies with a more pop inclination and Curtis actually tries to sing, and in a higher register at that.
December 1981 - Factory finally presses the album and a single recorded during the sessions after spending all their money on A Certain Ratio's American tour.
January 1982 - Single released to overwhelming critical acclaim. Some argue that it might be a sellout but it sounds like the future of music to most and unlike anything else out there. Single hits the Top Ten and the whole of Britain is exposed to Curtis' dead fly dance. Schoolkids imitate the motion of his pinwheeling limbs from Dundee to Guernsey.
February 1982 - Single stays in top ten for a week, slips to the top twenty for two weeks, and inexplicably hits number five in the last week of February.
March 1982 - Single kept from top spot by Bucks Fizz and Showaddywaddy for the sole reason that their respective labels purchase their own records from the shops. Scandal is exposed but lack of public interest and general malaise keeps Joy Division from the top of the charts. Single debuts in the American Top 40 and the band flies over to the States (except Ian, who unrealistically boards a ship) to appear on American Bandstand. Dead fly dance is mimicked by school kids from Waikiki to suburban Des Moines.
April 1982 - Single stalls in American Top 30 and stays there for the next ten weeks. Single drops to the top 20 in Britain for two weeks then jumps to #8 as their third LP is finally released. The album receives mixed reviews in Britain because it doesn't live up to the promise of the single, hits #30, and over the course of eight weeks slides out of the top 75.
June 1982 - LP released in America to paradoxically unanimous acclaim, and even with minimal marketing it debuts at #15. Single quietly slides out of UK Top 75.
July 1982 - LP climbs into top ten in America and single peaks at #13. American tour ensues. Success is a bit too overwhelming for Curtis to handle as he's become much more modest. He cracks in the midst of an interview and photo shoot with Rolling Stone and disappears for six weeks in Cleveland.
August 1982 - LP stays in US Top 20 throughout the month, single slowly glides down into the US Top 40. Band members are concerned for Curtis' health. Details about Curtis' disappearance remain hush-hush.
September 1982 - Curtis found under a bridge over the Cuyahoga chewing granola bars. He says wants to go home.
October 1982 - Curtis moves to Portsmouth, wants a break from the music business, wants to write and open a bookstore. Band reluctantly agrees to put Joy Division on hiatus for the sake of his health.
March 1983 - Barney, Hooky, Steve, and Gillian hook up together to Ian's approval and record "Blue Monday". They go on in their eventual direction as New Order, but in a slightly varied manner than how we know it now. Curtis in the meantime quietly writes but never publishes anything, keeps up his bookstore, remarries in 1986, and lives a quiescent lifestyle up to the present day.

Quit glaring at Ian Riese-Moraine! He's mentally fraught! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Tito Puente:
2001: Rerecords "Oye Como Va" with Santana for charity album helping NYC firefighters.
2002: Dies at the age of 79.

What's wrong with that?

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(Never mind, my question doesn't make sense because I was assuming you were posting something that was actually true as an example of how things turn out. I should have remembered that Tito Puente didn't die in 2002, since their were already songs in his memory in 2001.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 19 March 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

1974 - Cass Elliot's Vegas show garners strong reviews among the older set, but her increasingly jazzy albums falter on the charts.

1976 - An album of standards fails to set the world alight.

1978 - An ill-advised attempt to be current, Make Your Own Kind of Disco, is her poorest charter yet.

1982 - Reunites with John Phillips and tours the nation with him and his daughter Mackenzie rehashing Mamas & Papas hits.

Oh, this is depressing.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Saturday, 19 March 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

1978 - Elvis Presley, whose last single "Way Down" bombed and flopped just like most of his other 70s singles, is on rehab, to get rid of serious drugs and overweight problems
1979 - Finishes rehab, a new and slimmer Elvis records a disco single and tops the Billboard list
1980 - Records health video that becomes an instant success
1982 - Elvis, now a vegetarian, quits the music biz and starts a vegetarian food chain
1983 - Doesn't show up at his induction into the Rock'n'roll hall of fame, as he is too busy with his health program and vegetarian chain business
1985 - Brief Comeback during Live Aid
1988 - Film comeback acting against Sylvester Stallone and Jane Fonda in a health oriented movie
1998 - Goes to court to stop American food chains from serving "Elvis Presley breakfast", as he doesn't want to be associated with that kind of food anymore
2001 - Comeback tour following the success with the remixed "A Little Less Conversation" and the "#1" album. The tour becomes a flop, as it becomes evident that Elvis is disinterested in talking tot he press about anything else than vegetarianism and losing weight.
2004 - Dies from health problems following lack of protein in his food

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Jimi Hendrix

1970: Unable to sleep, he wanders from his hotel to a London record store at 8 in the morning and, on impulse, purchases a copy of Black Sabbath's just-released Paranoid. A week later he will return to the studio, finally motivated to complete the various overdubs and final touches on his new album.

1971: First Rays of the New Rising Sun is released in February to lukewarm reviews, which cite Hendrix's "darker" guitar tone as disappointing, though the continued development into an R&B sound is hailed as "an interesting step". The album is not a blockbuster, but goes gold by the beginning of autumn. Shortly after the album's release, Hendrix will attempt to call George Clinton to arrange a Funkadelic/Hendrix tour, but the plans will fall through due to monetary and top-billing disputes.

1972: Reviews in Rolling Stone and Crawdaddy betray a sort of animosity towards rival guitarist Eddie Hazel: "'Maggot Brain', yeah, that's the kind of thing I just do every mornin' for practice. I could've put somethin' like that on Rays, but I didn't have room; I woulda had to cut a lot of songs for that [laughs]." This results in a restrained if heated media feud, which is only heightened when Hendrix -- who, after numerous label disputes, decides to continue his swing towards R&B music by signing to Stax -- covers Funkadelic's "Super Stupid" on stage at Wattstax with a performance so fierce it gets released as its own single and peaks at #12 on the pop charts.

1973: War Heroes -- featuring production by Isaac Hayes, backup vocals by Tina Turner and the Ikettes and uncredited keyboards by Stevie Wonder -- is released as a double LP, which is hailed by a Time cover story as "a concise summary of his turn towards funk" and "the best album of a young but promising year -- and maybe his long, established career". The album dominates both the pop and R&B charts for the year's first half, and will remain in the lower Billboard Top 200 for the better part of 12 years. It eventually becomes one of the most ubiquitous albums in college dorms and the weed-smoker's go-to album.

1975: After heavy touring in late '73, Hendrix will admit to being "kinda burned out" and begins to worry his friends when it is learned he hasn't logged any solo studio time or even written many songs throughout the ensuing year, though his session work for the Four Tops and Eddie Kendricks has kept him somewhat distracted. Late in the year, he will release a live album, then disappear to Jamaica. The liner notes of Funkadelic's Hardcore Jollies will refer to him as "Jimi Hindlicks".

1977: January has Hendrix moving to London, with the masters for From Babylon to Saturn in tow. The Stax contract having long since dissolved, he signs to Island and releases the new album -- which, while not highly indebted to reggae, does have several unmistakeable dub touches and features covers of Max Romeo's "Norman" and Junior Murvin's "Police and Thieves". The album also features two collaborations with Peter Tosh, one of which -- "Stepping Razor" -- becomes a punk favorite and is covered by the Clash for their debut album.

1979: An attempt to jump on the disco bandwagon -- the single "Crash Landing" -- fails critically but succeeds on the charts, and the ensuing album of the same title is a blend of driving, psychedelic disco (with a couple memorable solo duels with Dennis Coffey) and a handful of mid-tempo funk numbers. Bootsy Collins contributes, uncredited, to three of the tracks, which angers George Clinton and, some say, hastens the breakup of P-Funk.

1980: In a press conference at the end of the year, Hendrix will announce his retirement from touring and recording, citing Lennon's assassination as his primary motivator and adding that "the sounds comin' around nowadays, I just don't know what to do with." A close friend claimed that the real reason was that "he'd just heard Dirty Mind and figured he couldn't catch up". Hendrix will remain almost primarily a producer for the remainder of his career, though some claim that the solo at the end of Prince's "Let's Go Crazy" is really his.

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Saturday, 19 March 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, I'd give a kidney to hear Crash Landing!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 19 March 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Nate, that's a fantastic imagination you've got there. Nicely done. Too bad the Hendrix-Sly Stone collabo never happened ...

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Saturday, 19 March 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Well played, Stupornaut. But would Hendrix have not seen a kindred spirit in His Purpleness?

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 19 March 2005 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Conversely, would Prince have been so inspired by Hendrix had he not died early on and left a spotless oeuvre?

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 19 March 2005 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Hendrix does of course emerge on a surprise comeback in 1993, when he duets with Lenny Kravitz on "Are You Gonna Go My Way".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 19 March 2005 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to hear that cover "Super Stupid"...that would've been so awesome!

Let's keep the afterbirth and throw Ian Riese-Moraine away! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 20 March 2005 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Is anyone going to do counterfactual AC/DC?

AdrianB (AdrianB), Sunday, 20 March 2005 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, I think Hendrix had good possibilities to follow Sly Stone`s way: drug busts, courts, prison...
But anyway, really impressive alternative historys all. Why death is so easy...

Margus Kiis, estonian rock critic (Margus Kiis, estonian rock cri), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

IF Morrison, Lennon etc. wouldn`t die

Don't know if Sterling would have been all that interested in continuing to play with the reformed VU. Is Julian Lennon dead?

Dadrock Holmes (Dada), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to live in the world where schoolkids the length and breadth of the UK and the US spend their breaktimes perfecting their Ian Curtis "dead fly dance moves"; except that in my version Ian joins New Order on stage at Reading Festival in 1998 and at Finsbury Park in 2002 for a quick medley of old Joy Division songs.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

2005 - Robert Kilroy-Silk recruits Ian Curtis to help front Veritas' election campaign

Dadrock Holmes (Dada), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we could also mention some of the bands hendrix produces (and plays on) in this alternative history such as: red hot chill peppers (in response to g. clinton's effort), fishbone (kinda of obvious), lenny kravitz (debut album), arthur lee (1st album out of jail), sly stone (same as arthur), miles davis, primal scream, stones roses (makes 2nd comming the album it was meant to be), iggy pop (his best, hardest album since his seventies work), Phil Lynott (ok, so in this alternate universe phil doesnt die/od)and probably pearl jam as well

jb, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

2nd February 1979, Sid Vicious is rushed into hospital suffering from a heroin overdose.

With the support of friends and family he successfully undergoes therapy and treatment for his addiction.

Unfortunately, by the time he's recovered, no-one is remotely interested in a clean, boring and not remotely vicious Sid.

In 1982 he is unexpectedly chosen to replace Larry Grayson as host of The Generation Game - and even more surprisingly he is a huge success.

He subsequently continues to host a number of TV game shows, including Family Fortunes and Blankety Blank; and surprises everyone by revealing a keen amateur interest in philately, when he first appears as presenter of his own programme "Sidney's World Of Stamps" on BBC2.

Meanwhile he is also much in demand as a guest on other quiz shows such as Celebrity Squares, Never Mind The Buzzcocks, Have I Got News For You and Question Of Sport, as well as acquiring another regular job as commentator on the annual Eurovison Song Contest, when the previous host, Terry Wogan, suffers a horribly painful and violent death.

During the early 90's Sid attempts to resurrect his musical career, appearing at a number of punk festivals; although he is eventually forced to abandon this as his appearance on stage invariably manages to provoke a barrage of abuse and phlegm.

Having been approached to join a reforming Sex Pistols in 1994, Sid attends just one rehearsal before being rejected by the remainder of the band in favour of his predecessor Glen Matlock.

"Fifteen years later and he still can't play that bass" John Lydon is heard to comment.

Glen Matlock subsequently tells Lydon, Jones and Cook to "stick it up your arses" and the planed Sex Pistols reunion eventually goes ahead with Jah Wobble playing bass.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

1991: Queen's career continues to dwindle along with Mercury's health - 'The Show Must Go On' scrapes the top ten in a quiet week but 'These Are The Days Of Our Lives' falls short at #41 during Christmas week. Meanwhile the Prodigy celebrate 'Everybody In The Place' reaching #1 in the first week of the New Year but cause a headache for the BBC by still refusing to appear on Top Of The Pops.

1992: Mercury's health steadily improves against all odds and his friendship with Holly Johnson thrives in the process. By the end of the year they manage to record a couple of tracks together with Trevor Horn even lending a knob-twiddling hand on a couple of occasions. Somewhere in a Viennese bar Marc Spoon considers remixing 'Living On My Own' after hearing it on the jukebox but after another couple more weissbiers thinks better of it, suggesting to Steve Blame the next day on the phone that they should cover 'Born To Love You' instead. At least the re-released 'Barcelona' for the Olympics placates matters.

1993: the 'Born To Love You' remix fails to make the top 40, on account of not many people having MTV Europe or knowing who Steve Blame is. and, it's appalling. Mercury and Johnson's 'Life's For The Taking', produced by Horn delights all in reaching #1 for 3 weeks in the Summer, with storming remixes by Tony De Vit and Rollo Armstrong giving the duo new club cred. David McCalmont later admits it's what inspired him to write 'Yes' after accusations of ripping it off somewhat. Again the BBC are frustrated as neither Mercury and Johnson agree to perform the song in public having fallen out again over which Dr Who was best. Johnson returns to the pop wilderness once more. Mercury gets back in the studio with Queen to record a follow up to 'Innuendo'.

1995: Queen's 'Anatomic!' double LP tops the album chart but only for a single week as Britpop takes a hold on the charts. The jaunty, eponymous single stalls at #4 but some critics accuse Queen of being more like 'Quoen'. EMI are annoyed that the album takes a further thirteen months to recoup it's enormous costs, with Mercury having travelled to Zimbabwe and Madagascar to record half of the vocals in a shack on the coast. Album closer 'Holding Hands With A Lady' captures the fear Freddie felt as a tropical storm threatened to destroy his makeshift home during that difficult six months. However many agree that this is some of Roger Taylor's best work, and the video directed by Freddie himself was certainly 'interesting' (944 complaints to a jammed BBC switchboard following TOTP).

1996: Queen's 'Anatomic!' world tour rivals the Stones 'Voodoo Lounge' for it's scale and success. The band are still considered more uncool than ever before back in the UK but sell out Wembley in 4 hours. Freddie hints at a more electronic, experimental direction for the next album, after Bono played him back some of the 'Pop' demos following a chance meeting in Buenos Aires. Brian's not keen.

2000: A couple of 12"s surface rumoured to be the work of Mercury with Flood and Jez of the Utah Saints at the controls. 'I Am The Planet' features some quirky noodling, harking back to 'Another One Bites The Dust' and even 'Warm Leatherette' - but dancefloors aren't quite ready for this edgy revivalism just yet, Freddie's nasal scat at the end irritating everyone but the most tolerant fans of The Music.

2001: Elton John bitches about Freddie after the latter upstages him at his own birthday party by attending dressed as a curious hybrid of both Henry VIII AND Elizabeth I. Unfortunately Mercury catches a very bad cold in the Summer and sadly doesn't pull through this time. 'Bohemian Rhapsody' spends 6 weeks at #1 over Christmas as people mourn the loss of an unparalleled legend and seek familiar solace following the tragic events of 9/11.

2002: Ben Elton's 'We Will Rock You' a huge success, blah blah blah...

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Sid Vicious would have to go to prison coz evidences were too much against him.

Margus Kiis, estonian rock critic (Margus Kiis, estonian rock cri), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

What? For presenting the Eurovision Song Contest?

If that's an endictable offence, why is that pompous, complacent twat Wogan behind bars, eh?

Oh, you mean wrt Nancy's death?

From what I've heard there were far too many witnesses all with similar stories about Sid being too far gone to have done that / another unidentified man (drug dealer) being in their hotel room that night to be able to secure a conviction from any reasonably unbiased jury.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, that s/be "why isn't that pompous, complacent twat Wogan....", obv.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

to Stewart
You would tell it to the Jury. Most of members had definitely great desire to put the nasty punk behind the bars.

Margus Kiis, estonian rock critic (Margus Kiis, estonian rock cri), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to see alternate histories for Shannon Hoon, Wildchild, and the drummer from Lush.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Margus,

You're probably right in the real world: but this is my alternative reality, so what I say goes, right?!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

There actually was an issue of Guitar World a few years back containing an "interview" with the Jimi Hendrix who did not die.

Deluxe (Damian), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Kurt Cobain
1994 Kurt & Courtney divorce. Kurt make OD but doesn`t die. He goes to rehab. New album is postponed.
1995 -- Nirvana releases new album. Older songs are nice but new ones are loosing touch. Dave Grohl leaves and is replaced.
1997 -- Nirvana releases another album which is great disappointment. Band splits unofficially. Cobain tries career as producer but gets more into heroin habit and deep depression. Afterwards he`s rushed to hospidal after serious OD. He spends half a year in a mental hospidal.
1999 short-haired Cobain makes a solo album. Artistically good but gets lukewarm reception.
2001 Nirvana makes reunion shows and tries to start recording but conflicts between Cobain and Grohl halt it. Grohl wants more melodical music (like Red Hot Chili Peppers) , Cobain are inspired by new garage rock wave.
2002 Nirvana without Grohl records a new rough sounding album. Without great tunes it sells modestly but is greeted by loyal fans. Band makes succesful cash in US tour.
2003 Cobain and Grohl reunite and start to write new more melodical material.
2004 new Nirvana album is relased with some hits but critics say that there is nothing to do with old Nirvana.

Margus Kiis, estonian rock critic (Margus Kiis, estonian rock cri), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Elvis
1978 -- records 3 disco-influenced albums with usual success.
1979 -- supports Reagan`s presidental campaign. Records 2 albums and plays in a movie.
1980 -- returns to rock`n´roll coz it`s fashionable again and starts a endless nostalgia tour and records some LP-s in the same style. Some young rockarolla revivalists make collaborations with him but after supporting Reagan Elvis is a bit pariah.
1981 -- Elvis sells Graceland for his depths.
1982 -- Elvis records sunth-sounding AOR-album with nice succes and cover of Phil Collins` "In Air Tonight" becomes a hit. Also makes roles in sitcoms and othet TV shows.
1983 Elvis makes cameo appaerance in "This is Spinal Tap" movie
1984 -- records another AOR album with nice sales.
1985 -- supports Reagan again.
1986 -- not very popular in States makes nice cash in shows in Europe. But his health condition worsens and he have to make long pause.
1990 -- makes a role in "Godfather".
1992 -- start making smaller lives again.
1995 -- releases some remixes albums. Makes some "modern dance music" covers.
1996 dies after heart attac.

Margus Kiis, estonian rock critic (Margus Kiis, estonian rock cri), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

1981 - Having scored a #1 with "Starting Over" and Top 20 hits with "Woman" and "Watching the Wheels," Lennon announces that rather than embark upon a tour, he'll do just one free show in Central Park. It tops even Simon & Garfunkel's Central Park show in its crowd size and enthusiasm, and a sing-along of "Stand By Me" charts at #23 in late October.

1981 - "All Those Years Ago" is not written, to the disappointment of many.

1982 - Lennon returns to the quieter home life of the Dakota, assisting Yoko in financial/investment matters.

1984 - A political reawakening emerges and Lennon produces a number of PSAs for the Mondale campaign. Some are controversial due to their explicitness about the potential for nuclear holocaust. Despite these efforts, Mondale is trounced by Reagan in the election.

1985-1986 - John and Yoko embark upon their biggest campaign for peace yet, employing more "traditional" methods than their bed-ins of yore. They make the talk show circuit, they perform at benefits, they enlist the support of such others as Bruce Springsteen, Pat Benatar, Steven Van Zandt, and Dolly Parton. The "Imagine" Foundation fast becomes an unwieldy structure and an exercise in corporate overstructure.

1988 - Lennon disavows all involvement in the "Imagine" Foundation and announces that he'll be co-writing/co-producing a track on George Harrison's "Cloud Nine" album, his first return to the studio in almost eight years.

1989 - "Bluster," the first Lennon/Harrison co-write since "Flying," is a strange, whimsical blues number that sounds out of place on the album. Nevertheless, Paul notes his accolades in several interviews and expresses hope that he and John will write together on his followup to "Press to Play."

1993 - Reinvigorated by Clinton's successful presidential campaign, Lennon returns from a period of silence with redoubled activist efforts, performing at benefits for Earth Day and GLBT committees. He becomes the first het artist to be named to the board of the Human Rights Commission several months later, "All You Need Is Love" becoming for some an anthem for the GLBT movement.

1994 - "Lennon Unplugged" garners strong ratings on MTV and is nominated for two Grammys, one for Best Album and one for "#9 Dream" in the Best Male Pop Vocal category.

1995 - A day after the Oklahoma City building assault, Lennon is assassinated by a loner with very loose ties to Timothy McVeigh. Within weeks "All You Need Is Love" is re-issued as a single, with proceeds going to the families of those lost in the OK explosion.

1996 - George Harrison issues Lennon's unreleased collaborations with him on his own label under the title "Blue For You." It's a modest seller but wins a posthumous Grammy.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

With the best management, producers, songwriters and luck in the world, coupled with a wholly uncharacteristic determination to sort himself out, Sid could have been, well, Billy Idol.

But in No. 1 blue-black permanent instead of peroxide.

Soukesian, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

There actually was an issue of Guitar World a few years back containing an "interview" with the Jimi Hendrix who did not die.

-- Deluxe (autobahn7...), March 23rd, 2005.

oh man, if you're talking about what I'm thinking about, that was nuts. although if I remember it wasn't really an interview, it was more like what people are doing in this thread. it was really goofy too; collaborations with Miles Davis and Thurston Moore (!), and he befriends Kurt Cobain, who is assassinated by a jealous Eddie Vedder, which I thought was a really weird touch.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

To Stewart: One problem. Sid survives the heroin overdose, but is eventually sentenced to death for murdering Nancy Spungen anyway....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

1981 - Having scored a #1 with "Starting Over" and Top 20 hits with "Woman" and "Watching the Wheels," Lennon announces that rather than embark upon a tour, he'll do just one free show in Central Park. It tops even Simon & Garfunkel's Central Park show in its crowd size and enthusiasm, and a sing-along of "Stand By Me" charts at #23 in late October.

"Starting Over" wouldn't have hit #1 if Lennon was not murdered. It was already on its way down the charts.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

1984, March 31 – Marvin Gaye checks into a hotel room and doesn’t appear until a week later. David Ritz finds him a secluded apartment, away from his family. Before the end of the year, Gaye is declared bankrupt.

1985 – A last-minute Live Aid appearance turns into a triumph. CBS books him a studio and before the end of the year, Reborn is released. A David Foster penned ballad goes Top Ten R&B, but the album contains few highlights.

1986 – National concert tour with Anita Baker is a big success, with a few extatically received European dates. Show at L’Olympia is recorded for a successful live double album.

1988 – After aborted sessions with Jam & Lewis, Marvin is convinced he should go his own way. You And Me is a concept album about his inter-racial love affair with a Hollywood actress. Airplay is minimal, the album contains no hits but the reviews are positive

1989 – You And Me wins Grammy for best R&B album.

1990 – Marvin blocks the release of box-set with previously unreleased Motown recordings, felling “his best work is yet to come”.

1994 – Still no record from Marvin Gaye. CBS drops him.

1996 – Arista sings Gaye, where he records a new album with LA Reid & Babyface. First single “Offa the Block” features OutKast. In the video, Marvin looks healthier than ever. The song is a smash, and three more singles are taken of the album. Marvin performs at the closing of the Olympics.

1997- Relocated to Atlanta, Marvin lives the good life. André 3000 introduces him to Erykah Badu, with whom he duets.

1998 – All of neo-soul comes to get for The Soulquarian. Despite some hot collaborations, the album fails to live up to expectations. Marvin is almost sixty, it’s time to act is age. In steps Clive Davis.

2000 – Marvin Forever is a slick record featuring some choice duets, amongst others a completely unknown Alicia Keys.

2001 – Marvin returns the favor on Keys’ debut, with press agents furiously denying that two are an item.

2003 – Marvin Gaye realises his age-old dream and records his crooning album. Writers accuse him of jumping on Robbie’s bandwagon. Album is a smash, as is the tour/DVD.

2005 – Pitchfork reports that Marvin is working with Matthew Herbert, Cristian Vogel and Fat Truckers. Two days later, the news item is retracted.

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir,

Like I told Margus, this is my alternative reality, so what I say goes!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember reading that Hendrix article -- it was pretty entertaining. I can't remember the publication, but it was sometime in late '95.

John Fredland (jfredland), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

1959: Following a prolonged legal battle, Buddy Holly finally wins the rights to his recordings. Exhausted he takes time off to spend time with his young wife in New York. All the while he is writing, but perceived as a troublemaker, no record company is interested in releasing his work.

1961: Invigorated by the nascent folk scene in Greenwich Village, he starts performing solo under the name Charlie Hardin. Unaware of his background he soon becomes a major draw.

1962: He releases his first album, 'The many sides of Charlie Hardin' and tours with Bob Dylan. The media soon realise his real identity and the album becomes a major hit.

1963: Beatlemania sweeps the world and Holly is namechecked by The Beatles, he meets up with them on a tour of Europe and records a dozen songs with them at Abbey Road. Subsequently released as the 'Attic tapes' some year later.

1964: Following constant womanising he divorces and the public lose interest in him, favouring British invasion acts.

1966: He tries LSD for the first time and releases the proto concept album Charlie Hardin's Texan Troubadours, a song cycle about a fictional band, notable for it's use of feedback, tape loops and Indian music. It is a dismal failure, but soon becomes a cult item.

1969: Following a couple of years indulging in drugs and producing some of the new acts emerging from San Francisco he is persuaded to appear on a rock and roll revival tour with Chuck Berry, Sha Na Na and Little Richard. He appears at Woodstock and becomes the suprise hit of the festival with his feedback drenched version of Rave On becoming the festival anthem.

1972: Following a couple of years on revival tours, he goes into semi-retirement, but finds time to produce Lou Reed's sophomore solo album.

1977: Now a respected producer he relocates to England, enthused by the punk movement. He appears on stage at the Roxy the night Elvis dies, performing a medley of Elvis songs with the Pistols as his pick up group. Malcolm Maclaren quits in disgust.

1982: Now well into his 40's, he has an overdose after a particularly pure dose of Heroin supplied by Sid Vicious. After recovering he returns to Texas to clean up.

1987: Following his performance on Live Aid he is back in demand in Rock and roll revival shows but stubborn as always he records a country album with Peter Buck from REM.

1996: Following a series of Rick Rubin produced albums which are critical and commercial smashes he dies in a plane crash while visiting his old friend the Big Bopper.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys are forgetting the part where Lennon joined the Travelling Wilburys.

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

the alternate-Hendrix thing ran in New York Press and was reprinted in The Jimi Hendrix Companion, published by Omnibus.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Kurt Cobain:

1994: Kurt attempts suicide, but is rescued. Spends three months in rehab; comes out clean and files for divorce the next day.
1995: Relapse, back with Courtney.
1996: Rehab again, divorces Courtney for real. Nirvana boox set with rarities released as a stopgap.
1997: New album -- angry and rough -- released. It does not sell well. Nirvana announces breakup towards the end of tour behind the album.
1998: Rehab again.
1999-2001: Drops out of sight, works as producer. Publishes slim volume of essays, to lukewarm reception.
2001: Takes advantage of ten-year anniversary of Nevermind to release folk-influenced solo album, play reunion shows with Krist Novoselic. Both are successful.
2002: Rehab again. Remarries.
2003: Publishes autobiography, Pointedly vague about rehab, Courtney.
2004: Second solo album. Not terribyl successful, but at least he seems happy.

Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys are forgetting the part where Lennon joined the Travelling Wilburys.

-- Dominique (d_leon...), March 23rd, 2005.

Really I just forgot it! And Jeff Lynne would definitely produce album of quasi-Beatles Lennon, Lynne, Harrison & Starr.

Margus Kiis, estonian rock critic (Margus Kiis, estonian rock cri), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys are forgetting the part where Lennon joined the Travelling Wilburys.

I did at least mention his Jeff Lynne produced album

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

1971: Saved from an OD. Is on rehab while she sees "Me And Bobby McGee" becoming a US #1
1973: Following the success of "Me And Bobby McGee", she goes to Nashville to record an entire album of country standards, sung in her typical soulful fashion
1979: Tops US charts with disco single
1984: Dueting with Alison Moyet on her solo debut album.
1985: Performs "Mercedes Benz" and "Me And Bobby McGee" at Live Aid
1988: Becomes part of Traveling Wilburys
1991: Surprise comeback acting as a veteran singer in "The Commitments"
1993: Clean and sober, but still generally unhappy, a lonely and depressed Janis commits suicide

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

2005: Pantera re-unite, release lousy record, go on very successful tour of large clubs.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 24 March 2005 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

1980: "Back In Black" is never written. The world doesn't know anyway, and is happy enough about things to make AC/DC's album "You Shook Me All Night Long" a giant hit anyway.

1981: "For Those About To Rock" becomes a new giant hit, now also selling lots to those who couldn't stand Brian Johnson's voice

1983: Bon Scott comes out as gay. Kicked from AC/DC. Rob Halford of Judas Priest burns all of his AC/DC records as a protest against this.

1985: Releases solo album "Glad To Be a Gay Rock'n'Roller". Huge sales

1988: AC/DC's "Blow Up Your Video", featuring new singer Brian Johnson, fails

1990: Bon Scott rejoins AC/DC. "Thunder" with Bon on vocals becomes a giant hit.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

haha the phrasing of this question makes it seem like the asker is doing everything in his/her power to kill these people and they JUST WON'T DIE (i feel like this sometimes)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

January 1, 1953: The skies over Knoxville, Tennessee suddenly clear, allowing Hank Williams to catch his scheduled charter flight for a concert in Canton, Ohio that evening. An ailing Williams collapses onstage at the show and, after recovering at a local hospital, takes an extended break from touring and recording.

1955: Two years of recuperation and Bible study at his 400-acre horse ranch in North Alabama have restored Williams' health and spirit, but considerably slowed his commercial momentum. Released from his MGM records contract and still considered persona non grata by the Grand Old Opry and Nashville establishment, Williams begins a tentative return to the music world with several guest spots on Rev. Wickham Bigby's Apostolic Radio Hour on WGSV out of Guntersville. The subsequent release of several Luke the Drifter gospel sides on King/Starday records goes all but unnoticed outside of the religious community.

1956: Williams' return to secular music is impelled by legal and financial wrangling between the women in his life, Audrey Williams, Billie Jean Jones and Bobbie Jett. The one-time king of country music sees his assets divided among the three, with the farm going to ex-wife Audrey and their son, Hank, Jr. Forced to concede to prevailing commercial trends, Williams releases a decidedly rockabilly-oriented single on King. Despite Williams' distaste and unsuitability for the bop-cat material, the record is a moderate hit.

1957: Ever alert to the possibility of replacing the sales juggernaut he had with Elvis Presley, Sam Phillips signs Williams to Sun Records, and continues to steer him in a rock & roll direction. With 34 hard years under his belt, though, Williams is no teen idol, and the attempts fail. An entire LP's worth of recordings with Johnny Cash and the Tennessee Two is shelved, only to attain legendary status by the time it is finally released 15 years later. Williams' career stalls as Phillips concentrates his attention and assets on the still-ascendant Jerry Lee Lewis.

1958: Booked as a support act on Lewis' European tour, Williams finds that Jerry Lee's loss is his gain. While Lewis is vilified for his bigamous marriage to a 13-year-old relative, Hank is forgiven his past indiscretions by a public that still worships him.

1959: Still box-office poison in the States, Williams returns to England, assembles a new Drifting Cowboys Band out of young Liverpool musicians, and embarks on a grueling tour of cabarets and clubs throughout the UK, Ireland and the continent. Recordings with the new group are a folk-oriented pale shadow of Hank's earlier country material, but a skiffle re-recording of "Move It On Over" becomes a smash hit, reigniting Hank's career and leading him to move permanently to Britain. Taking the lead in a great Skiffle Revival, Williams becomes a huge star in England, where rock & roll subsequently never really gets off the ground.

1965: With the sounds of Motown and the Beach Boys ruling the world, Williams and his fellow skiffle stars are no longer the darlings of the British music business. Williams returns to America, signs with Epic records, and records a string-drenched, pop-oriented smash hit album with producer Billy Sherrill. Within two years The Hank Williams Variety Hour is the highest-rated show on American television, and Williams' huge annual tour to entertain the troops becomes a holiday tradition. Unfortunately, while en route to one such show, Williams is killed by friendly fire near An Luc, Vietnam on Dec. 18, 1970. Richard Nixon posthumously awards Williams the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, presenting it to noted actor and television producer Hank Williams, Jr.

brianiac (briania), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

1965: After surviving a shooting the previous December Sam Cooke spends several months recuperating with his family in Chicago. The incident causes him to examine his beliefs and spends a lot of his time reading the bible and more significantly the works of black civil rights activists such as Malcolm X and Eldridge Cleaver.

1966: He returns to the music scene with an album of covers of Bob Dylan songs. It is a moderate hit but he finds himself uncertain of his direction.

1967: On a tour of Europe, he meets Otis Redding who suggests he works with the Muscle Shoals crew. After a series of sessions in Memphis he releases 'Sam Cooke - Blue for you', it is a massive hit.

1968: Enraged by Vietnam he releases the concept album 'My brothers' and becomes an outspoken critic of American foreign policy. Richard Nixon and the FBI begin investigating him. Speaking at the Chicago democratic convention he narrowly escapes being shot by Sirhan Sirhan.

1970: He is arrested for assisting draft dodgers, but the case is thrown out for lack of evidence. He releases the album ' The world is my brother' a follow up to his 1968 album, further exploring his themes of black consciousness and ecology. It's notable for showcasing the emerging funk style and having Miles Davis on a number of tracks.

1972: Disillusioned by the failure of his latest album and the perceived collapse of the black power movement he announces that he is converting to Islam and changes his name to Muhammad Islam.

1974: Always battling the secular and the spiritual he releases his first album under his new name, the lush, erotic 'Lady, be mine', banned in many states for it's explicit lyrics. He is prosecuted in Louisiana for the 'obscene content', but in a landmark case is exonerated. Following the controversy it becomes a massive hit and wins the Grammy for album of the year.

1980: After a series of similarly explicit albums which each become progressively less successful he hooks up with Chic and records the album 'Back on top' . It is a big hit, but late in the year he attacks homosexuals and in the controversy his records are burned. Bernard Edwards is quoted as saying 'I'm not working with that motherfucker again'.

1989: The 80's are a fallow period for him, perceived as old and reactionary he goes into semi-retirement, but in 1989 he returns with the Quincy Jones produced ' Back in the jam' featuring guest acts Michael Jackson and Alexander O'Neal. He apologises for his past statements and announces he is reverting to Christianity and the name Sam Cooke.

1995: Buoyed by the interest in his 70's albums, a source of many samples used by rap acts he announces his farewell album and tour, 'Cooking through the years'. The album features new talent such as Mary J Blige and Tupac Shakur and although nominated for grammy for album of the year is beaten by Alanis Morrissette

2001: Now a lay preacher, he is persuaded to come out of retirement to appear on the 9/11 tribute show. His version of 'What's going on' taps into the zeitgeist and is the years best selling single.

2004: A passionate opponent of the Iraq war, he appears on the tour in support of John Kerry duetting with Bruce Springsteen. Shortly after Bush's victory he suffers a heart attack and dies age 73.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Saturday, 26 March 2005 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)


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