Most exciting genre

Oh wait, no-one's doing that.

Yet.

But I'd like to.

for me.

No offence, but I often find myself thinking the reverse - that people who say grime is just (weird/bad/British) hip hop haven't heard enough grime.

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amazingly enough i was thinking about French Crunk this morning!

some artists that excite me:

Bikstok Rogsystem, The Knife, Vitalic, Rolldeep, Basement Jaxx, LCD Soundsystem, Shitmat, Tiefschwarz, Black Strobe, Hystereo From Ireland, Lady Sovereign, Lil Jon (as a producer), Alchemist, SAUL WILLIAMS, Jacques Lu Cont, Richard X, MIA (hi dere ILM in da mirror)

uh, have you got 'Misch Masch'? if so i dunno what to tell you! i suppose they tend to not go full on like Vitalic or BS can but the A.T.D. makes them the Jaxx of electrohouse, which would do it for me.

It did take me a looooooooong time to get into the "Kinda New" remix, their big hit I suppose. I don't know how to help Adam, I suspect I'd never have got into it without hearing it in clubs.

That said I don't listen to Misch Masch that much, I suspect Tiefschwarz are very very club, but then others may disagree?

After the Essential Mix, and last week, I'd have to say I prefer Blackstrobe.

But you are right, probably, about the club thing.

x-post yeah I definitely prefer Black Strobe, I guess before the Essential Mix I didn't see them as really huge figures with Vitalic like powers. But now I definitely do. And after last week's show I'm even more convinced. They heavily re-edited every track, I knew none of them, and then ended with a 15 minute version of Italian Fireflies, which was just unreal!

Do you have any evidence for this or is just an attempt to make the "how can grime lovers care so much when we already have hip hop" assertion appear more empirical and objective? I certainly can't think of anyone on ILM who fits this description.

"Tiefschwarz are an odd one, sometimes I think they lack the romance of the rest of the scene, and can see how people just don't get them, they are kind of brutish but not sophisticated like Black Strobe, having said that it wouldn't be fair to leave them with that description, cos they do really interesting and original stuff too. "

Not sure if I'd describe as Tiefschwarz as unsophisticated - surely their stuff is more intricate if less pristine than Black Strobe (but who have more of that polished electro sheen maybe)? I concede that there's a certain messy aesthetic to Tiefschwarz stuff which I suspect is based on them referencing early house more than goth electro.

I don't listen to Misch Masch the mix much but I listen to the remix disc all the time.

NB. I love Black Strobe too! A compilation of Black Strobe and Volga Select tracks would be better than just about anything (aka why weren't "Narcodancer" and "Audika" on the Chemical Sweet Girl EP?), and stuff like "Innerstrings (Volga Select Double Dub)" now sounds remarkably prescient as well as mindblowing.

It's funny I never rated "Italian Fireflies" but I think it's due a reappraisal. I played it at the party, admittedly after Black Strobe, and it got a bigger reaction than anything else. Must try it out again soon.

Yeah also really like the Volga Select stuff, their remix of the track off "So Young But So Cold" is great.

Do you have any evidence for this or is just an attempt to make the "how can grime lovers care so much when we already have hip hop" assertion appear more empirical and objective? I certainly can't think of anyone on ILM who fits this description.

I have to agree. I can't think of anyone I know who is into grime and DOESN'T also have at least a basic appreciation for hip hop, if not much more than that.

With Black Strobe or Vitalic or someone, the hard parts are flowing and hard, and pronounced, like they exist, to some extent anyway, as a sort of familiar sequence, even if the sounds are original.

Whereas with Tiefschwarz the hardness or the really banging feel seems to kind of characterise the entire sound, that's why I think they're more rocky, it's like thrashing compared to Blackstrobes more measured darkness, and I think that that darkness is probably more traditionally dance aswell.

I guess also Black Strobe are more sequenced generally, Tiefschwarz do tend to go off the rails a bit sometimes, to me anyway. Misch Masch the mix is quite deep though, oddly.

As I say it took me ages to get into Tiefschwarz, at first I kind of thought "ok this sounds big, but what does it actually do?"

There's a certain irony to this considering their history as a trad house group!

I sort of think of recent Tiefschwarz productions as the mid-point between Get Physical and DFA.

I'm having difficulty trying to understand yr lack of enthusiasm Adam as usually we're fairly in sync, so I can't calibrate the space between our tastes which is causing this difference of opinion (ie. what I look for and hear in Tiefschwarz that you don't). I don't think that Misch Masch is necessarily the best way to listen to their remixes though, at least not as an introduction to their aesthetic.

Their stuff really kills it when interspersed in sets because it takes the music to a next-level sense of rave-complexity, a very physically felt sonic information overload on the dancefloor. As Ronan kind of implies the tracks are sorta pointless, they're just platters for presenting these great sounds. And the sounds themselves are so sound effecty and synthaestic, which incites a real juvenile pleasure (in the best possible sense) maybe akin to The Chemical Bros at their peak circa 96 etc - dance music that feels (rather than literally sounds) like video games.

In total contrast you've got producers like Jacques Lu Cont and Michael Mayer (who are increasingly like pop and techy versions of eachother), who make really monolithic remixes where there's a sense of a very deliberate discipline, a very careful limiting and balancing of different elements so that the maximum effect and impact is squeezed out of their interaction. The largesse of sounds (plural) in Tiefschwarz is replaced by a grandioseness of the edifice as a whole.

i do like it some, but its really not all its hyped up to be.

For me at the moment the most exciting genre is the noise/psych/mania stuff of the last five years or so. I really can't remember the last time I have been this blown away by a style of music - probably since I first got into Aphex, Autechre, Boards of Canada etc.
It is a wide ranging genre going from the primal-acoustica of Animal Collective's "Sung Tongs"; the tribal phasing celebration of "Vision Creation New Sun" by the Boredoms; the intense abrasive electronics of "Burned Mind" by Wolf Eyes; and the prehistoric psychedelia on Black Dice's "Beaches & Canyons".
And then you've got the bands that someone on ILM described as "Mania" - bands like Deerhoof, Oneida, Battles, Hella, Lightning Bolt etc. These bands aren't particularly noisey but share the psychedlic and instrumentational ethics of those following in the Boredoms' footsteps.
I guess I'm kind of slow on the uptake with this stuff since it's been around some time now in one form or another, but it fits right into what I love about shoegaze, punk, psychedelia, 60s pop, IDM and world music.

dl, I like all/most of this stuff, but the two best records on that list (two records which I LOVE, btw) came out over two years ago.

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That's experimental horse right there! Er, wait.

(The man is OTM, of course.)

Electrohouse already feels like this incredibly exciting and varied tapestry and is continually throwing up surprises. Plus it sounds absolutely amazing when you're off your head at 3am.

compare this to either "Enter the 36 Chambers", "Liquid Swords", or "Supreme Clientele"....no comparison....aesthetically, emotionally, lyrically, whatever...you can not tell me, however hungry the grime mcs are, that they can compete

But those records all appeared YEARS into hip-hop's lifespan. Grime has been around, what, four years maximum? Grime is ten times more exciting than early hip-hop, from where I'm standing.

Funny/depressing how the criticisms of Grime tend to revolve around the MCs - this has never been important to me, I never listened to hip hop because I really liked or cared about the lyrics/delivery ffs - not as much as the beats/hooks at least. There are many very good MCs in grime though based on what I've heard.

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The only stuff I've heard of Grime (that I know is Grime) are Dizzee (whos voice and beats just annoyed me) and that Rephlex compilation (which just sounded like Shut Up And Dance instrumentals). I want to like this genre (mostly cos of the hype on ILM) and I want to know why I should be getting excited about this. I never got into the whole Speed-Garage thing, I love rave and jungle, can sometimes appreciate Dancehall unless it gets repetetive and I like most Hip-Hop (UK & US).

if Dizzee annoys you then that's too bad - you could try listening to other things as mentioned on the Grime threads if you're genuinely keen to appreciate the buzz.

Which is what most bands think of themselves, no?

No it's just I haven't heard many bands with four guitars in them that's all. Sorry, I'm just being snotty.

This is pretty much what I had in mind when I saw the thread title.

Haha: All music ever!