Is there a "Guero" thread yet?

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It doesn't seem so, so I guess it's about time.

Personally, I am slightly disappointed, but it may be a grower. I feel like it is most natural to compare the album to "Odelay", but I feel the tunes were stronger on "Odelay".

Also, the fact that Beck's previous album was my favourite by him has made me kind of disappointed, but knowing his release scheme (post modern/groove based - singer/songwriter - post modern/groove based - singer/songwriter etc.) I know that he will eventually not do a proper followup to "Sea Change" until his next album anyway.

Still a lot of interesting stuff going on in the background, so I guess it is a grower. And the tunes are stronger than on "Midnite Vultures", which I eventually like anyway. So I guess it's OK, even though it may be a disappointment to me at first listen.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

But it's maybe a grower.

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's dope. What I like most about it is that it SOUNDS like Beck. And I like Beck's sound. It's pretty, chaotic, psychadelic, catchy and dark. I frequently feel woozy taking in all of it's twists. But that's Beck. And I like Beck.

ZionTrain, Thursday, 24 March 2005 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Beck but this is boring as hell, like Odelay on 'ludes.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 24 March 2005 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

this is the ongoing thread:

I have just heard four (4) tracks from the upcoming Beck record

I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

See also:

how stupid is the NME review of the new beck album?

does anyone have the final mix of the new beck album?

I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"Guero" the track is pretty great. I might be biased because some dude at work calls me guero all day every day.

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Thursday, 24 March 2005 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh, those last two didn't really go anywhere.
Just one more. This was a good recent Beck thread:
Beck in the New York Times Magazine

I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The whole thing is absolutely fantastic and it's my current pick for album of the year. But I'd be very surprised if it was a big seller.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 24 March 2005 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

It's really boring and dull. Disappointing, to the say the least.


It'll sell a shitload. "E-Pro" is Beck's biggest hit since "Loser", by far.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 24 March 2005 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

A bad sign then, considering "Loser" is from my least favourite album by him by far.

Btw. "Devil's Haircut" was a decent hit, wasn't it?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The four tracks I've heard seem slow and not very funky or hooky.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Btw. "Devil's Haircut" was a decent hit, wasn't it?

Yeah, but moreso on MTV. Beck's never been much of a Billboard presence, his only #1 prior to "E-Pro" was "Loser" (which I believe went to #1 on the Hot 100 as well, which is pretty crazy)

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"he went out like a bitch"
-me

charleston charge (chaki), Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

it's alright. I think I'm over Beck.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"Loser" wasn't a #1. :'(

And Guero is a perfectly fine record. I'd probably like it less if Sea Change didn't exist, but the minor moments (the Ernie Isley-type guitar in "Earthquake Weather"; the 30-Beck choir on "Girl"; the split-second hoe-down sample in "Hell Yes") are interesting enough.

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Thursday, 24 March 2005 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Matando Guero.


You'd have to be pretty sheltered to find vision/genius/genes in this. He's a great performer when the muses align, but the back catalog on its own is backwash. Latin Playboys anyday. No elderly white rappers please. Gimme Paleface. Before the lines sink much more: isn't the pattern basically Hire Dust Brothers/Don't hire Dust Brothers/Hire Dust Brothers/Don't?


The guy's perpetually unobjectionable, but as a fence-sitter to modern rock I have to marvel that he appears on K-Tel comps with someone as genuinely strenuous as Björk.


Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 24 March 2005 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

You'd have to be pretty sheltered to find vision/genius/genes in this.

I can say with utmost certainty that my record collection is better than yours.

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The big difference I'm feeling between this album and Beck's other stuff is that before Sea Change Beck's music was all about brilliant, hilarious, exhilirating pieces that he stiched together into songs and were great just for all their component parts.

Guero's more like a "whole is greater than the sum of its parts" kind of deal, these are actual songs that really hold together well, the flip side of that being of course that not as much really jumps out at you, which is why I think alot of people are slow to get behind it, 'cause we're not used to that from Beck.

The more I listen to it though, there's isn't a single song that doesn't sound terrific to me, except ironically enough maybe "E-Pro."

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks. This thread almost makes me feel guilty for loving this record.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Stupornaut and Josh Love OTM

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

well, i'm gonna go out on a limb and say-
i think the new mixes (listen close, it IS different) and running order make me like this more than i had. the leak was lacking in some of the nifty 'glitches' and other such touches. but, now, they seem to be full grown and flavourful.
still, has to be said, it is probably the least inspired of any beck.
the songs are decent enough, there's a little bit for everyone, but maybe that's the issue for me. where as Odelay had a full feel and while it jumped around still felt fun the whole way. now, he seems to jump between his own eras. i'm not sure that last sentence makes sense...
but, i'm trying to say, it's like each track sorta bounces between the albums. like a greatest hits made out of new songs.

not to say there aren't some standouts- grrl, for instance, makes me smile ,and despite the serial killer lyrics, still exudes a morbid happiness. and yesh, the 30+ beck chorus.

i dunno. it's beck. not breaking any new ground, just holdin steady.

eedd, Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. He's not pushing things forward, but it's still FUN which -- for me -- is what Beck's best at.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

exactly.
RC OTM.

i guess i think it's easy to place time by beck with his songs. i mean, you hear 'pay no mind' and immediately go to 'mellow gold' or 'forcefield' go to 'one foot in the grave'. 'stereopathetic' seemed to be the oddity, just a collection from his tapes. and so on.

but, this one seems to lack that quality. and that's still not a knock on it.

i wish i knew the titles, there's a real spacey one with some nice heavy gtr goin on in the back that i'm just in awe of. 'broken drum' maybe? i dunno.

maybe this album will inspire a whole new wave of 'beck backlash'...

wait, did it ever stop??

eedd, Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Shit, man, I like this album quite a lot. Of course, I wasn't a "Sea Change" guy, either.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

it's still FUN which -- for me -- is what Beck's best at.

I know, I know, but after all this time I'll still waiting for the festival to kick in. Lots of cool intentionally thwarted production ideas, but I hate it when people credit him for that just because his face is on the disc.

Okay, never mind, I'm just going to go steal some child's Easter candy now -- enjoy the new Beck, everyone!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 25 March 2005 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't you hear?
the festival happened.
it was Midnite Vultures.

the sndtrk to the Y2K meltdown.
or mine at least.

eedd, Friday, 25 March 2005 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

but it's still FUN which -- for me -- is what Beck's best at.

For me, Beck is best at being melancholic in a highly melodic and downbeat way. But he is good at being fun as well? ;)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

So...anyone else pick up the limited edition version with two different versions of the album and the seven bonus tracks? I grabbed it, but largely to see what he did with the Marcel Dzama artwork...I'm hoping I like the album, too.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Sean - you got the bonus version? Does that mean you got "Fax Machine Anthem (Remix By Dizzee Rascal)"?!
You Send It! Por Favor!
And the Boards of Canada remix!

(or is that only on this import?):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007V5WUK/ref=ase_goldenfiddlec-20/104-1885227-1019915?v=glance&s=music

Bent Over at the Arclight (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, this one also has:
Send a Message to Her
Chain Reaction
Clap Hands
Girl (Octet Remix)
Broken Drum (Boards of Canada Remix)
Still Missing (Royksopp Remix)
Fax Machine Anthem (Dizzee Rascal Remix)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

How are the remixes? Report!

Waking Up Onstage at Jumbo's (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The remixes are all right. Boards of Canada's "Broken Drum" is the best of the lot- it's this huge funereal thing with lots of somber plodding synths and backwards guitars. It's even better than their cLOUDDEAD remix. Dizzee Rascal's (it's a remix of "Hell Yes") is disappointing, though- it feels like generic grime-by-numbers beats stiched onto the Beck track, and lacks most of Dizzee's more interesting production bits. The 8-Bit mix on the Hell Yes EP is a lot more satisfying, IMO.

Telephonething, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"guero" is boring. matos' ludes comment is right. just lacks all the spark that i hear on his other upbeat records. (and i think 'sea change' was shitty as well.)

but the 8-bit remix EP -- OMG, best beck stuff in yeaaars.

Sean M (Sean M), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The BOC remix is fucking amazing. I can only hope that this is a sound that they continue to mine... the last bits of the Octet remix are great. The Royksopp remix sounds very Morning Becomes Eclectic, to these ears-- a sound which is boring, but in certain situations I am not completely averse to it. I like the Dizzee mix well enough, but it didn't really meet my expectations either... Overall though, I'm glad I got the special edition for the videos and the booklet and the dvd audio and everything.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

yes but are there any songs about body thetans and e-meters?

I can't decide if I even want to hear this album (I never heard Sea Change and can't say I regret it)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

surprisingly there's quite a bit of, for lack of a better word, christian imagery. the lyrics are not really the bad part of this album, if there is a part that's actually bad. it's that he doesn't seem that into it on some of the more uptempo songs.

actually, by this album and sea change's tone, he sounds genuinely, seriously depressed.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I've only heard the thing twice, but I'm impressed. I'm no fan, but this is his most likable album since "Mutations" - a craftman's record in the best sense. "Hell Yes" and "A Donde Guero" still bother me, yet the smarm factor is less of a consideration; and, as usual, his New Age folk tunes are his strongest suit, all of which are on the superior second half ("Scarecrow" and "Go it Alone" are my two favorite tracks). Oh yeah, and "E Pro" has a helluva riff.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
wow did this ever make no impact on pop culture or anyone i know

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Thank God it didn't. For too long we've greeted each Beck record like we keep expecting him to make Sgt Pepper. Guero's modestly realized ambitions makes it his best since Mutations (and it's been his biggest hit since Odelay: top 10 debut, rode the Top 40 for a few weeks, certified gold a helluva lot faster than fuckin' Sea Change).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 28 July 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

it did that well? i'm surprised. to be honest i couldn't name a single song

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was going to say, this has turned out to be his most transparent release ever.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

The local college rock station (meaning it's clearchannel, but in a college town) seems to play a couple songs off this album fairly regularly. A friend of two has mentioned buying it.
I'm going to go with the 'ludes description, but it's more like completely smoothed out Beck. It's like Beck mood music that's been in half a dozen movies, it's this happy-yet-cynical fuzzy music. Some songs are happier, some are more melancholy.

mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

At least Sea Change was boring enough to be memorable.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

As Beck albums go, I'm jocking this over Midnite Vultures right now.

BARMS, Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

It's a good album, but that's the problem -- it isn't GREAT, just solid. Isn't even in my current top 20 for 2005; none of the singles could make my singles list.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

maybe this album's just a little late? there's nothing groundbreaking about it, and the 'sound' is too tired to surprise. it's also not very different than, say, mutations-crossed-with-odelay, so there was nothing to talk about in the context of Beck's career art (well, except that "guero means white boy! which is what some people used to call beck!"

and yeah, the lack of rad singles doesn't help.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

This album is fucking great and possibly his best realized piece of work.

ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Friday, 19 November 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)

i agree!! i thought i was the only one. it's the only beck i can deal with these days tbh.

I love you girls but that music is for radical faeries (Matt P), Friday, 19 November 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)

whooooooooa this is much better than I remember

acoleuthic, Friday, 19 November 2010 20:35 (fifteen years ago)

Pretty sure I'd like it if I remembered to replay it. "Scarecrow" always got me. I still hear that remix of "Girl" all over the place.

look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 November 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

huh, this one struck me as the most skippable of beck's 21st century albums - maybe i'll revisit. kind of hated "girl".

tylerw, Friday, 19 November 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

was this Beck's New Jersey? or was it Sea Change.

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 May 2013 20:42 (thirteen years ago)

having just gotten around to listening to it for the first time. sorta amazed it did very well. there's hooks scattered throughout but it's not anywhere as packed or busy as Odelay/Midnight Vultures

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 May 2013 20:44 (thirteen years ago)

was this Beck's New Jersey?
kill me

billstevejim, Friday, 10 May 2013 20:45 (thirteen years ago)

this was great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSrGYsciyjA

piscesx, Sunday, 12 May 2013 01:23 (thirteen years ago)

the riff he's playing sounds like a modified versh of phil collins' another day in paradise

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 12 May 2013 01:30 (thirteen years ago)

eight years pass...

The last great Beck album, for mine.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 26 November 2021 04:15 (four years ago)

With some editing (i.e. cut to ten tracks across a good LP length), I think The Information could have been a solid A album, and as-is I think it's still better than Guero. Regardless, Guero is still excellent, an A- album to me. I do wish they used the 8-Bit remix of "Hell Yes" ("Ghettochip Malfunction"), and it seemed strange that they didn't when that version was the lead single, complete with video.

birdistheword, Friday, 26 November 2021 04:36 (four years ago)

i love the ghettochip malfunction remix

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 26 November 2021 05:17 (four years ago)

I thought E-Pro was the lead single? My second least favourite after Girl.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 26 November 2021 10:38 (four years ago)

I was able to look it up, and this ancient Glorious Noise article cleared it up. "Hell Yes (Ghettochip Malfunction)" came out first as a video that was dropped on January 24, 2005. HOWEVER, they had to update/correct their report with the following: This is a special “online-only” video (i.e., not the first single).

https://gloriousnoise.com/2005/new_beck_video_hell_yes

"E-Pro" came out later in March (the album came out later the same month), but that was officially the lead single.

birdistheword, Friday, 26 November 2021 15:46 (four years ago)

I like Guero. It's just a good pop record. Maybe too long, but overloading albums was definitely a thing in the early 2000s.

Much more interested in the confusion over what the actual lead single was. I love instances like that. It was very common in hiphop at the time too. Song would come out on a promo 12" single or something and then a month or so later, there would be an even bigger push for a newer song / video.

—(of course in hiphop the first, lesser promoted one was usually geared towards mixtapes and street buzz, while the bigger push was intended for the radio)—

I also really like the idea of a lead single being a remix that isn't even on the proper album. Frustrating for discography continuity maybe, but I love finding "wormholes" like that in catalogues. I remember "E-Pro" getting the big push at the time.

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Friday, 26 November 2021 16:15 (four years ago)

yes I remember "Hell Yes" as the first single.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 November 2021 16:16 (four years ago)


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