Fading celebrity and wackily out-of-proportion ticket prices

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From the Westerberg thread:

Paul W played New Orleans last month, trying to charge people $20 for tickets. In what alternate universe is Paul Westerberg a $20 show?

Adam you should ask this question to the Digable Planets w/r/t their $25 shows.

Who draws the line between washouts who play state fairs and washouts who charge arms and legs for admission to their shows? Where do concert ticket prices come from anyway?

Also please note strange and disproportionate ticket prices you've seen, ie $50 Willie Nelson and $40 Dr John. Dr John!

adam (adam), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

$100+ Celine Dion , $25 Gang of Four.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

$50 would be a bargain to see Willie Nelson.

Jason Toon, Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Donna Summer is playing at a local casino for $100 a person. That's a bit much. Casino concerts are always super expensive though, it seems.

Lingbertt, Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It's hard for me to imagine that 90 minutes or whatever can be so awesome that it's worth $50 + drinks + parking + etc. I think the most I've ever paid for a show was $27.50 for Lou Reed and even then I felt kind of silly.

adam (adam), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I paid $30 to see the Jayhawks a couple weeks ago, which I knew was more than a bit much.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

The Eagles and Morrissey to thread!

What we want? Sex with T.V. stars! What you want? Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Ma, Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

see, none of these really shock me. but maybe that's just because I live in an area full of venues that host has-beens and reunion tours and I've been desensitized.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

also I think there's kind of a psychology going on here that might be accurate: the older the artist, the older their fanbase and the more likely they'll be willing/able to shell out $50 for a concert

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm currently wrestling with the dilemma of whether to see Elvis Costello next month and pay probably more for the ticket than I've paid for the last 5 club shows I went to combined.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Concert ticket prices come from how much money the artist wants + how much money the venue wants to make on each ticket, all looked at through the lens of what people are willing to pay. If the artist wants so much money that the venue thinks ticket prices will be insane, they don't have to book the artist. If the venue wants so much money that the artist thinks ticket prices will be insane, they can play somewhere else.

Tickets for The Eagles in Providence Saturday were $127.50, $89.50, $47.50 and $27. Crazy? I think so, but 14,000 people didn't. So who's wrong?

And don't forget that many of these "fading celebrities" are not fading celebrities to their longtime fans, many of whom are older and might have a few dollars to rub together and may have waited years to see their heroes (the Eagles show was the first "reunion" show in Providence, so it was their first show here in more than 20 years).

I hate to sound capitalist about this, but, well, this is a purely capitalistic situation. And since the response of rapacious record companies as well as of many downloaders is "musicians make all their money touring anyway," well, now what?

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Rick OTM (although I already made the point about older audiences = mo' di$po$able income)

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not issuing an indictment of capitalist concert-going culture, though I am curious about how people pay $50+ for a show and not feel taken advantage of.

Mostly I wanted to marvel at the idea of paying 25 bucks for Digable damn Planets.

adam (adam), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Concert ticket prices come from how much money the artist wants + how much money the venue wants to make on each ticket, all looked at through the lens of what people are willing to pay. If the artist wants so much money

Okay, but this doesn't really explain the sudden spike in ticket prices I started noticing a few years ago.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Most I've paid is 35 dollars for Bob Dylan. Also paid 25 bucks for Gang Starr...both were worth it. Otherwise paying more than 20 is out of line.

deej., Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose "inflation" would be too simple or glib of an answer, wouldn't it? (xp)

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"Fading celebrities" to ILM are not fading celebrities.

Mayor Maynot, Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the spike got under way ten years ago, it's an anti-scalper tactic. this still doesn't explain 25 dollars for digable planets.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Mayor OTM. people will pay to see you live long after they stopped buying your new albums if you keep playing the hits.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I suspect some Enron style gouging myself. And what percentage of venues in the U.S. does Clear Channel actually own anyway?

Bimble... (Bimble...), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

What percentage of venues in the U.S. does Clear Channel actually own anyway?

Matt Chesnut, Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

An evening with Joe Satriani. Show Times. April 11, 2005, 8pm. Ticket Prices, $29.50, $39.50, $59.50.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I paid $50 to see Prince, but I wish I had paid the $75 for the better seats, because it would still have been worth it.

I mean, compare that price to hooker or drug money, and much better bang for your buck. So to speak.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Joe Satriani vs. drugs
comes out firmly on the side of "drugs."

deej., Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.lbc.net/media/show_images/0405_satriani.jpg

I know a guy who's actually going...

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

...he's never done drugs.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Does he refer to JS as "Satch"?

adam (adam), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure it does, Bimble. It's supply and demand, my man. It's happened in every entertainment arena. Have you checked sporting event tickets anytime recently? Yeah, it's monumentally expensive, but people pay it and KEEP paying it, so there has to be some level of audience satisfaction going on out there. Hey, you want to REALLY make your head spin? Check the cost of merch at some of those shows. It will blow your mind what people will pay for a tshirt.

Trust me, both artists and promoters are very cautious about ticket pricing. You can't go beyond what the market will bear, otherwise you end up with an empty room. As for feeling "taken advantage of," well, beauty's in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? Any salesman will tell you that there's no such thing as an objective "good" deal or "bad" deal, there is only the perception of one or the other. So, feeling like a sucker is essentially entirely up to you.

Now, if someone can point out an instance where an artist was charging a (perceived to be) "gouging" price and the venue was empty, what you've got is a horrendous failure to read the market. Nothing more, nothing less. That happens all the time. The most egregious examples I can think of would be the occasional large scale outdoor venue event in the summertime that doesn't sell. MANY of those end up with free ticket giveaways just to make the crowd look respectable.

Brass Ring, Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno man, but the last two concerts he went to were Van Halen and Kiss/ Aerosmith which were both near $100 tix i think.

This is why I'd rather see a local band 99.9% of the time. For 5 bucks you can see a band up close and personal and hang out with them after the show.
Once in a while you'll see something totally brilliant and it's much more rewarding than paying $50-$100 to see some "big star" go through the motions.
The last name band I went to see was They Might Be Giants in 2001. It was $10 and totally worth it.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Rick OTM (although I already made the point about older audiences = mo' di$po$able income)
-- Al (hoteloper...), March 24th, 2005.

Yeah, sorry. You got it in first by being concise while I was bloviating.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody's pulled the Macca card just yet, but I guess he was in the Beatles so he can charge as much as he wants.. but dont tickets for his shows range in the $1,000 regions, or is that just ebay prices?

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Doesn't Streisand charge like $1000?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, sorry. You got it in first by being concise while I was bloviating.

-- Rick Massimo (rmassim...), March 24th, 2005.

it's cool, you win because I just learned a new word! bloviating! awesome!

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm really on the fence about paying $80 to see Oasis at MSG in june... my friend already bought tickets & i'm sure he can get rid of them.. i mean, they better be pretty fucking rad..

scumbrella, Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Ticketmaster announce a while back that they were going to be internet auctioning prime seats?

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude there's no way Oasis is worth $80, not even in 1995. If it's anything like when I've seen their shows on TV, they'll just stand there and run through their set.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree that Oasis are boring and not worth paying to see (although I'm not a fan so it's all relative), but saying someone is a bad live band just because they "stand there and run through their set" is kinda dumb. roughly 99% of all live bands fit that description, many of them very good. should they be doing cartwheels while running through the Simon & Garfunkel songbook, just to be less predictable?

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean I like DLR high kicks and pyrotechnics as much as anyone, but an absence thereof is not the sole definition of a subpar live act.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't say I feel "ripped off" and I'm well aware of the economics of supply and demand. I'm just sorry that ticket prices have gotten so outrageous that even a band like Blondie that I have a pretty deep affection for I simply can't justify paying the high price to see - and that was $50. Why Oasis comes to $80 I can't imagine.

After a certain point I think people are stupid to pay the high prices, but hey, to each his own.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha Al, I have no intention of arguing that point with you. If Liam was gonna dress up in different costumes for every song a-la early Genesis it still wouldn't be worth 80 bucks.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

ok someone plz get to photoshopping that NOW

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

xxxxpost

Haha, yeah I thought bloviating was a good one, too.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

No wait, on second thought, I'll argue the point. ;)
Every truly memorable live show I've been to involved some sort of theater/interesting stage schtick, etc. They Might Be Giants (dial a drum solo), GbV (constant boozing w/ Who stage moves), Beastie Boys (running around like madmen), Sonic Youth (noisey abandon stage moves), R.E.M. (Stipe's insane dancing fits) and many local bands I've seen all did a hell of a lot more than just stand there and run through their set. It's gotta be less than 99%, I haven't seen that many shows.
I have seen a lot of bands do that, but there isn't one of them I'd pay to see again. The one time I saw a headliner just stand there and run through the set was Smashing Pumpkins in '94 at Lollapalooza - right after the Beastie's tore the roof off - and it incredibly boring, but I hear they started rocking out more after that.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

U2 TO Thread!!!

evan chronister (evan chronister), Friday, 25 March 2005 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Paid $5 to see them open for a wet t-shirt contest on their first tour.No way they are a better live band than they were then.And on that note i paid $8 combined to see REM on thier first 2 shows in Dallas,Tx.Paying more than $5 to see them play the dreck they dish out now is sad.
I've always called it the $25 dollar rule.I'd pay more than $25 to Jesus but he better bring the Four Horsemen as an opening act!!!

evan chronister (evan chronister), Friday, 25 March 2005 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Paid $5 to see them open for a wet t-shirt contest on their first tour.

OMG ROFFLE, I hope you aren't making that up.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 25 March 2005 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Wasn't Bob Dylan $60 last time he toured?

But, as many people have pointed out that there is an audience willing to pay that much for older acts (althought $100+ for U2 is obscene...I can go rent a Mel Gibson movie much cheaper if I want to see pompous proselytizing)....

I wasn't willing to pay $25 to see Interpol. I've missed them about three times now.

In NC, where I'm originally from, the Ticketmaster markup is terrible...my $30 White Stripes tickets cost more like $60. Seeing what a fucking nutcase Jack White is in person is pretty amusing, but Whirlwind Heat was their opener--unbearable (IMO, of course).

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I would probably pay $25-40 to see someone I really like in a small to midsize venue. But I would never pay that, let alone more, to go to some crap arena show where I watch the band on a television.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I just paid $80 for Dylan, but Merle Haggard's opening, and he's hardly fading (Bob, that is, Merle--this will be probably the only time I'll see him) plus it's in a smallish venue.

Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

crap arena show where I watch the band on a television.

Exactly, these are for SAPS. Anyone who thinks those shows are worth it needs to get a life and stop being such a fanboy, or be a fanboy of someone who's not famous enough to headline the fucking Shoreline Amphitheatre.
I've sort of promised myself not to ever shell out for another of these. If you can't see the band with your own eyes, give it up.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

SD, I'd gladly pay 100 bucks + to see those dudes in a smallish venue.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

hey MSG is a smallish venue in way. it's egg-shaped and has great sound.

Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

In the last two weeks I paid $80 each for two nights of the upcoming Bob Dylan/Merle Haggard run at the Beacon in NYC.

And I paid $35.00 for Lou Reed at Crobar....

And also $35.00 to see the Motorhead/Monster Magnet show at B.B. King's.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 25 March 2005 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

"Exactly, these are for SAPS. Anyone who thinks those shows are worth it needs to get a life and stop being such a fanboy, or be a fanboy of someone who's not famous enough to headline the fucking Shoreline Amphitheatre."

I am someone who paid something like $30-$40 to see the Strokes at the Universal Ampitheater last year. They remain thirty or forty of the best dollars I have ever spent on anything, including drugs, in my entire life.

James.Cobo (jamescobo), Friday, 25 March 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoa don't mess with this guy.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 25 March 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the most I've paid was $30 for both PJ Harvey and Belle & Sebastian -- the former because she had suddenly cancelled the night I went to see her in Manchester and I was just really eager to finally see her; the latter because it was their first U.S. tour in five years. But I can't really justify spending any more than that on an ephemeral experience like a concert.

Oh wait I take that back! I spent $48 or so on Radiohead, because everyone went on about how I had to see Radiohead live, and I figured, well, if I'm going to a big arena show, it might as well be Radiohead. And yeah, they were all right, but I definitely wasn't feeling the vibe of standing in a concrete amphitheatre, hundreds of feet away from the stage. I don't really understand why people like going to big shows like that -- most of the best shows I've been to have had a certain intimacy (even if the venue is packed, it's better when the crowd is close to the stage and the band can interact with them).

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 25 March 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

the Shoreline is like 5 times bigger than Universal.

I paid a good amount to go to see Smokin Grooves (Outkast, Lauryn Hill, Roots) at the Shoreline and that was the only show I ever checked out at that venue. That place is so fucking massive I just dont get the point. I also went to smoke blunts, so that added to the appeal as well.

I paid around $50 to see Moz at the Universal Ampitheater a couple months ago and it wasnt that great. The spectacle was alright, but the music wasnt so great.

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Friday, 25 March 2005 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Are Fugazi shows still $5?

Yngwie AlmsteenMay (sgertz), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they've gone up to $6.

Seriously.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)


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