So, Garbage have a new album coming out....

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What do we think? Does ILM give a damn?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 26 March 2005 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

*tumbleweed rolls slowly across the thread*

― Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Saturday, 26 March 2005 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I've enjoyed the previous Garbage releases ("Version 2.0" is my clear favorite), so I'll check this one out when it hits the streets. The only track that I've heard so far is "Why Do You Love Me"; the MP3 has been on the iTunes store for a few weeks, and the Tokyo ex-pat station is playing it. It strikes me as a decent radio tune, but nothing life-changing.

― John Fredland (jfredland), Saturday, 26 March 2005 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I really liked "Cherry Lips" last time. Kinda.

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Saturday, 26 March 2005 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Cherry Lips is awesome, and I shit heavily on the fact that so few took it seriously. That ending, 'go baby go go', is the kind you want to go on forever and ever, like a theme song for your ass when it is on the street, effectively.

― LeCoq (LeCoq), Saturday, 26 March 2005 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really listen to beautifulgarbage anymore but I was very impressed by at least half of it and I loved how candyfloss and sticky most of it was. They were/are very well-suited to big pink hollow plastic-echoey things like Cherry Lips and Parade; just in terms of how electroskeleton and unrawk it is Androgyny is a quietly awesome achievement. Can't Cry These Tears is gloopy and colossal and mental and glorious. Shirley Manson's big unhinged trauma schtick is far more convincing when the music is as chromey and processed as here. Also the sleeve was magnificent in its horribleness.

On the new album they have realised that there is no money in being Prince and so they are all big solid impenetrable slabs of guitars and no tunes and there is nothing distinctive or latch-onto-able at all. Also, the title is RUBBISH, really. I would be interested to know who did that sleeve, it is very Sugababes/Goldfrapp/etc, sort of (in terms of font anyway)

― Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Saturday, 26 March 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

the bridge in "Why Do You Love Me" totally upstages the rest of it. it does seem like going the slabs of guitar route is not the best idea for them.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 26 March 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

They should go back to slabs of concrete route. God sorry Al dude I owe you an email pretty soon, things are getting really good up here, you need to get up northwest quick so we can make some bank, jiggaboo U.

― LeCoq (LeCoq), Saturday, 26 March 2005 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, slabs. get at me.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 26 March 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't really like the single off this album, or the video, boring, very boring. I love the first album and most of the second one, Beautiful Garbage seemed to me like they lost some direction about what i think they do better, which are more obscure songs, darker themes in the way of Milk or Crush #1, I think they also have great pop moments such as Special and I also enjoy the over produced thins like Push It, but... oh god.. I think I'm gonna miss them, anyway, the new album has been leaked... I'll come back later to tell you what did I think about the new album.

― elgolfo (elgolfo), Saturday, 26 March 2005 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Lots of guitars. Lots. Which I usually wouldn't mind, but it just doesn't work for them. The whole slinky element of Garbage has been slammed out by blaring power chords and really in-your-face choruses. Memo to band: Less noise, more sex, pls.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Saturday, 26 March 2005 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I give a damn only because watching CD: UK this morning, Shirley reaffirmed that she's one of the sexiest women I will ever see.

― Deerninja B4rim4, Plus-Tech Whizz Kid (Barima), Saturday, 26 March 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

she is quite hott in the video

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Saturday, 26 March 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the good part is that she's gone back to here natural hair colour. or at least closer to it than blonde was.

― gspm (gspm), Saturday, 26 March 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Shirley's famous quote from a few years back has been upstaging the music for me since. Not sure why, she only said:

"When my lover took me to his bed for the first time, he parted my red cotton kimono and gasped "amazing," and I had an epiphany. Ahh, I rejoiced, somebody likes it. It took me a while, but I can now proudly say that I'm glad I don't have a big black bush!"

Aside that, wall of guitars- wrong move. guitars, effects, and lots of sex n' synths- that IS Garbage.

― ZionTrain In Gotham, Saturday, 26 March 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to confess that I've always loved Garbage's ballads. (Yeah, I know. It's like loving England for the food, or the weather.) On the new album "It's all over but the crying" is not bad, but nowhere near the heights of "The trick is to keep breathing" or "You look so fine."

― brittle-lemon, Monday, 28 March 2005 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

its a fucking amazing cover.

― anthony, Monday, 28 March 2005 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

In 1998 I considered "Version 2.0" the 90's "Parallel Lines." Ah, hyperbole. It's still a near-classic pop album.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Loved the first ones totally, right off. Version 2.0 remains the favorite. The third I kinda slept on -- bought it for my wife, heard it two or three times and just thought "They've lost it, this is boring." Took it to work a year later for the hell of it and discovered that suddenly it was GREAT, though still the least of their records. Sooner or later I'll get the new one.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"not as pretty as the girls in magazines" is a goddamn lie, obviously.

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I went through a phase where I LUV'D Garbage after their first album, then felt meh about them, then LUV'D them again, then sold their albums, then LUV'D them again after hearing the 3rd album (which ain't 1/10th as bad as folks hating on it made it seem), but didn't buy back their albums for fear of feeling I needed to sell them again. I think I might be in LUV again (though I haven't heard the new one).

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I like them on the whole, but the new single is awful. Really bad, irrelevant and tired. Shirley is still one of the sexiest women in rck though, so that's nice.

"Memo to band: Less noise, more sex, pls. " OTM, Je4nne

― Crackity (Crackity Jones), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I chatted with her for a dead-on-arrival music issue we did here in 2001, and she was exceptionally cool. She was really genuinely pumped about Beautiful Garbage, and I continue to feel bad that said album didn't fare better for them (though, I didn't buy it. hahahaha).

And she is dangerously sexy, yes.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I lerved the 1st album but my interest has waned quite a bit since. I heard the new single (once so far) and i honestly cannot remember anything about it - not a good sign.

I seem to remember reading a few crazy quotes from Shirley on the subject of sex. Which manages to make her even hotter.

xpost - hell ya

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It makes me sad that she hates Madison, WI.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The rest of the band clearly love it here though, so it's okay.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm reviewing the album for xhuxk, or however sir eddy is spelling his name nowadays. Read the article that's on the garbage web site -- no nonsense shit in there. While the music isn't as excellent and shiver-inducing, Shirley isn't as cryptic as she's been in the past. For all the people who see her as a sex icon (yours truly is included), it's important to take into consideration how Shirley views herself. I'm very thankful she exists and that she's willing to expose the ugly feelings that exist within her. Young women, especially, can latch on here. It takes balls, and certainly no one else in pop music -- man or woman -- has 'em like Manson's got 'em. She's doing good.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm looking forward to hearing this. I listened to Beautiful Garbage a lot!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"Boys Wanna Fight" is a great song, but the actual first single is kind of meh

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's in their contract that all their 1st singles have to be underwhelmingly meh.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hey boy take a look at me/ let me dirty up your mind" is as good a first line to start a career as can be imagined, innit?

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

So, what's going on on the front cover of this new record that the red duct tape is designed to conceal?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I've totally enjoyd a single song of theirs since "#1 Crush," but all of their '95/'96 singles are godly.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked Version 2.0, but I have been pretty meh on them ever since. Once in a while they will have a new single that I think is kind of catchy, but not enough to make me want to buy the album or even download anything.

― Leon Bluth (Ex Leon), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Never understood why they went with this for the inner artwork....

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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I never really got into them but I should re-investigate, maybe. anyway, I just felt compelled to point out that her haircut in the new Word magazine is maybe the worst I've ever seen on a human being. (the color is ace, though.)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember her Annie Lennox look in 2001, Matos?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

not well enough, I guess. but if it wasn't blunt-cut at the neckline w/eight more inches hanging under it, it won't beat this one, sorry.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, they were my favourite band EVER as a cranky, disaffected teen. I haven't heard the new one yet, but my hopes are not high, and I say this as someone who has seen them three times and bought every single CD single of theirs for the purposes of disgraceful completism.

"Why Do You Love Me?" is so unexciting - the only song by them I've liked LESS than this was a throw-away fourth-single B-side called "I'm Really Into Techno" that was just awful. WDYLM is not even a decent B-side standard track - god, put it next to "#1 Crush", "Trip My Wire", "Begging Bone", "Deadwood", "Tornado" or "Soldier Through This" and it's just crap in comparison.

She's trying to be Courtney Love. Sorry, Shirley, you're not Courtney - you don't have her gift of lyricism (though you have a better ear for a tune). She sounds a bit like Aimee Mann in the quiet bit. The "get back up and do it again" bit is OK too. But if you're going to build a song on a riff, PLEASE MAKE IT A GOOD RIFF.

Really, I think the problem is that Garbage always had disgusting rockist tendencies buried beneath the surface (viz. covering the Velvet Underground and Big Star, the ill-advised PJ Harvey pastiche of "Silence Is Golden"), but they covered it up with big, shiny pop hooks. Do they want to be considered a serious rock band on record just because they are one in concert? Have they just run out of really good songs? Did they take one look at the sales figures for the last one and run in the opposite direction or something?

I guess I can understand it, but Beautifulgarbage is a good album, perhaps not as good as the first two, but what were they expecting when they put out singles that sounded, respectively like Prince-influenced R&B, bubblegum, 70s radio pop and "Famine" by Sinead O'Connor? I mean, really, now. "Parade" and "Can't Cry These Tears" should have been all over the radio.

The thing about the first album is that while it was quite rocky, there were elements of shoegaze, metal, hip-hop, trip-hop and other things in there. The second one appropriate lots of interesting dance sounds very well (if Garbage are Blondie, then "Temptation Waits" should really have been their "Heart Of Glass"). The third one was an endearing basket-case that didn't give two shits about continuity or cohesion.

Every band I like is putting out bad records. Stop it, plz.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I love my (pre-new album) CD80 Garbage "portable" go!

Vow
Only Happy When It Rains
Supervixen
Queer
Stupid Girl
Milk
#1 Crush
Push It
Temptation Waits
I Think I'm Paranoid
Special
When I Grow Up
The Trick Is to Keep Breathing
You Look So Fine
Thirteen
The World Is Not Enough
Androgyny
Cherry Lips (Go Baby Go!)
Breaking Up the Girl
Parade

(chronological according to first release - single or album - and missing "Shut Your Mouth", replaced by key album tracks. 80:20)

Also, that Goldie remix of "Milk" is astonishing - one of my top 5 d&b tracks.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I find "Why do You Love Me" to be such a bizarre sentiment for a song--especially as the chorus, and sung so forcefully. Puzzling.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Garbage always had disgusting rockist tendencies buried beneath the surface

The Big Star cover never thrilled me either. (Tim and I had a big ol' Garbage discussion elsewhere on ILM so I won't rehash it here -- it's great stuff, though, some amazing posts from the man!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The "Big Star" cover is pure sex, and one of their most effortless tracks.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Garbage had a great run of B-sides up through Version 2.0 -- was that B-sides comp eventually get nixed?

Shirly was my first big rock/popstar crush, cos god, she has eyes as big as Jolly Ranchers.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Christ, I meant Shirley.

I suck now.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I love their version of "Thirteen" actually, but it's not that THRILLING. A B-sides collection would be amazing, I already made such a CDR. The B-sides off the Beautifulgarbage singles are a bit of a mixed bag, but "Begging Bone", "Use Me" and "Sex Never Goes Out Of Fashion" are worth having, and "Enough Is Never Enough" is not bad, but beyond that, it's completist territory only.

Oh, there's quite a lovely ballad on the B-side of Why Do You Love Me called "Nobody Can Win" - much better than the A-side.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "You Look So Fine" may be their finest moment - it's Shirley's most restrained performance on an album that is secretly all about restrained vocal performances. Somewhat fittingly "Androgyny" was the beginning of the downward slide for me, and "Why Do You Love Me" seems to signal a new desire to rock out (both musically and vocally) which runs totally counter to what I loved about Version 2.0.

Ned, you were pretty ace on that thread too, despite our disagreements!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i caught a bit of the video a few nights ago, and felt bad for them..
and kinda embarassed myself, being a garbage fan..
i didn't hear the whole song, but heard enough to decide that "why do you love me" is assinine.

jordan, what do you mean, she hates madison?

― reo, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

God, listening to it now. This is just depressing. "It's All Over But The Crying" appears to be the big stand-out, but, um, it's a bit similar to "Medication" off V2.0, and not as good. As for the big rawk songs, not one to match "I Think I'm Paranoid" or "Supervixen".

V2.0 still sounds much more modern and sleek and sexy and it's now nearly seven years old. This new one just sounds muddy and unfocused. Ah, after all this, they'll probably have their biggest hit since "Stupid Girl" off it.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim, have you heard the beautiful Eric Kupper Deep Drama Mix of "You Look So Fine"?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

"Run Baby Run" is a great track and that's... about... it.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw them play a live set on Fuse a few weeks ago and boy the new stuff didn't hold up next to the old stuff (which sounded really dated now, but still fun)

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 9 June 2005 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I posted on another thread, but a summary:

Great: "Run Baby Run", "It's All Over But The Crying"
Good: "Right Between The Eyes" (bad ending, otherwise nice), "Boys Wanna Fight" (nice pronunciation of "loaded"), "Sex Is Not The Enemy" (stupid but hooky)
OK: "Metal Heart" (nice dynamics, but dull tune)
Dull: "Why Don't You Come Over", "Happy Home", "Why Do You Love Me".
Awful: "Bleed Like Me", "Bad Boyfriend"

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 9 June 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

This is it for Garbage. They'll part ways in the Fall.

― ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

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