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The Web site I Love Music appears to be a bulletin board where music lovers can discuss music, but many of the questions posed on the site are in fact invitations to a list-making. One suggested topic was "the foxiest rock critic." Another was "You owned more than one album by them, you listened to them fairly often, you knew in your heart of hearts that they really weren't very good."

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

saying all we do here is make lists is kind of seeing the forest for the trees, isn't it? a lot of the best discussions result from what begin as simple listmaking.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

DOMINIQUE LEONE!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

So is she trying to say that we are like this guy?

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hey, I see a few details that might add up to a *phenomenon*, and I'm going to mold some more details to fit the idea so I can write a *piece* about it!"

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Why not? That's how Charles Foster Kane got started!

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

ewww, that's not one of my better thread titles. you know, and i swear this is true, i completely forget that there are other people reading ilm other than the people posting. which is insane, i know. the other day this guy i know -HI CHRIS IF YOO R READING THIS- mentioned something i had posted on ilm and it COMPLETELY freaked me out. i don't think he has ever posted anything. anyway, i'm gonna go back to forgetting. it makes me feel naked or something.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, scott, you didn't start this thread.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

not this thead silly, the one they quote in the thing.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the heart of heart ones. which was a cathartic thread for me cuz i got to work out my salem 66 and lucy show issues on it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, yeah, teh "even though you never admitted it outright, you knew they weren't very good." That was a pretty good thread. Heck, how else would we ever have resurrected Scruffy the Cat?

(xpost)

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

here is one of scott's better thread titles:

Please Post Pictures Of Vincent Garber & Treat Williams Cuz Whenever I See Them On Alias Or Everwood I Think Of Godspell & Hair And It Brings Back Such Sweet Memories!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't get one damn picture of treat williams despite my plea!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

We were full of hate.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

they shoulda quoted one of calum's emma bunton in a banana suit threads. those are memorable.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

uhh, scott i gave you tons of pics of treat williams. did you even click on the link in that thread?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yes, that's right, on the strongo thread. i wanted vincent and treat together for some reason. i think i had been tippling.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

heh heh, she should have quoted some of our more serious threads, like "Auto-summarize artists/bands entire careers" or "POX Eagles" or "Adolf Hitler: What's on your Walkman?" or "Taking Sides: Joy Division vs. Flipper (Hint: FLIPPERFLIPPERFLIPPER!)" or "How many notes-per-second qualifies you as a real guitar player?"

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

more tippling:

How Much Money Would It Take For You To Listen To All These Asia Albums?

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

What did they do, read like five threads out of the 40,000 that are out there? What they shoulda oughta have done is taken the Lost Country Thread that disappeared on the Seventeenth Day and stored it on their hard drive for posterity.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The Times should stop riding ILX's jock.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Southern man don't need no Times reporter round here anyhow

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"only time will tell" is a way better song than "heat of the moment." just saying

― hoi polloi, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The severe/wonderful dual-personality nature of the board consciousness as a whole (perhaps best summed up as Akbar and Jeff's "I hate you but I love you" (and vice versa) exchanges) is what they'll never capture. "We'd love to recommend this place but everyone seems to keep leaving but they're always still there and we don't get it."

"only time will tell" is a way better song than "heat of the moment."

Why did it not occur to me until this second that the first two Asia singles and their biggest hits are complete and totally OPPOSITE phrases in terms of intent?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

cuz they suck??

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

miccio otm, except, whose jock should they ride?

― f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

they should fight the real enemy

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

it's like ween's "stay forever"/"falling out" one-two punch on the white pepper. just saying.

― hoi polloi, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

this imaginary spoken-to cultured idiot fake target audience thing usually doesn't bug me (cf. SFJ in the nyer) but here, ick.

― f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

we might offend a few of the bluenoses with our cocky stride and musky odors -- oh, we'll never be the darling of the so-called "City Fathers" who cluck their tongues, stroke their beards, and talk about "What's to be done with this ILX?"

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

cuz they suck??

If I had that, you had Limp Bizkit, and we all suffered. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost bbbut ms. boxer isn't speaking to them either! and "they" don't think that's what they are anymore, anyway! but i think you're kidding!

― f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, a friend of mine gave me a whole bunch of crap vinyl along with the Foreigner albums she had that I wanted. One being the first Asia album. Maybe I should listen to it.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

when you write "omg something is totally HAPPENING in CULTURE" it is very very hard to not look like a twat. you have to a) know whereof u speak, but then b) correctly judge what everyone else knows or doesn't, and then c) write in a way that makes sense to ppl who both know and don't.

there is a lot of meat in the idea that the internet hasn't opened up new avenues of fact so much as opinion, but this doesn't really cut it. plus it's clear she looked at a new answers page once last week and that's about it. haaaaaack.

― f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"only time will tell" is a really good song, anthony, from the intense stridency of the opening keyboard riff, on. "NOW, sure as the sun will cross the sky, the lie is over, LOST, like the tears that used to tide me over . . . Over . . . OVER!"

― hoi polloi, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

alright, i'll put the album on!

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

So, like. Could someone post the article here?

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ok when "only time will tell" is over I'm taking this Jan Hammer shit off.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

that's fine. it's the only good song they have, really. but what a song

― hoi polloi, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you mad? "Heat of the Moment" is also on that album.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"Ti-ti-ti-ti...AND TIME AGAIN!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK
On the Internet, 2nd (and 3rd and . . . ) Opinions
By SARAH BOXER
Published: March 29, 2005
Do you remember Charles and Ray Eames's 1977 film "Powers of Ten," in which the camera zooms back from the surface of the Earth to a far-off point in space? As the details of the planet recede and vanish, new features of the universe appear. Before you know it, you've been sucked into another order entirely.
Sometimes the Internet is like that. The traditional objects of culture - books, movies, art - are becoming ever more distant. In their place are reviews of reviews, museums of museums and many, many lists.
Ron Hogan, who writes a literary blog called Beatrice.com, recently began a second blog, Beatrix: A Book Review Review. He's not the only one reviewing reviewers. The blogs Bookdwarf, Conversational Reading, The Elegant Variation, Golden Rule Jones, The Reading Experience and Confessions of an Idiosyncratic Mind - all gloss, grade or review other people's book reviews. On Gawker.com, a writer known as Intern Alexis reviews The New York Times Book Review.
The site Edward Champion's Return of the Reluctant also bears down on The New York Times Book Review and its editor, Sam Tanenhaus. Each week the site posts "The Sam Tanenhaus Brownie Watch." It is an act of counting. It compares, among other things, the number of pages devoted to fiction versus nonfiction and the number of women assigned to review nonfiction, promisingthat if there are enough fiction pages or enough women Mr. Tanenhaus will be sent a brownie. Otherwise, "the brownie will be denied."
Most book-review reviews are summary, to say the least. Their main purpose, it seems, is to get noticed and linked to by more popular blogs. This, for example, was Golden Rule Jones's assessment of The Chicago Tribune's book coverage on Sunday: "What I liked: Good numbers; timely, worthwhile selections. What I didn't like: Reviews are a little skimpy."
What about the other traditional objects of culture: movies, music and art? They, too, are becoming distant objects on the Web.
The Museum of Online Museums site lists Web links not only to real museums and exhibitions but also to museums of odd objects (old Christmas lights, microphones and casino matchbook covers) and, yes, even to a museum of lists.
The Web site I Love Music appears to be a bulletin board where music lovers can discuss music, but many of the questions posed on the site are in fact invitations to a list-making. One suggested topic was "the foxiest rock critic." Another was "You owned more than one album by them, you listened to them fairly often, you knew in your heart of hearts that they really weren't very good."
As these examples suggest, many lists on the Web have distance built into them. Respondents comment less on objects of culture than on themselves, their taste and their memory. The narcissistic lure can be irresistible.
Consider a Web diversion recently cooked up by Laura Demanski, a Chicago-based writer and book reviewer, better known on the Web as Our Girl in Chicago (or simply OGIC), who sometimes posts on Terry Teachout's blog, About Last Night. She asked her readers to list the first five movie quotes that popped into their heads.
Some 200 quotes came in. "Casablanca" topped the list with seven mentions, each one with a different quote. The most-cited movie quote of all came from "Network," which the Web site gives as : "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!" And there was a six-way tie for shortest quote:
"Stella!" ("A Streetcar Named Desire")
"Thirty-six?" ("Clerks")
"Plastics." ("The Graduate")
"Willoughby!!!!" ("Sense and Sensibility")
"Sincerely." ("Stand By Me")
"Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!!" ("Star Trek II")
Ms. Demanski promises "a few general observations" about movie memory. What she really delivers, though, is a great set of lists.
Not all lists are so much fun. There are plenty of boring lists on the Web. Everyday, Web contests list their winners. Every blog has a running tab of favorite Web sites. Many of them take a good part of a minute to scroll through.
And then there are the Amazonian lists, those offered up by sites like Filmaffinity.com, Muiscplasma.com and Music-map.com. Once you reveal a book, film or musician you already like, these sites will "tell what you will like," Sarah Lazarovic writes on the Web site CBC.ca. Such lists, she writes, are "supplanting the good old-fashioned review as the primary way for consumers to discover new music, movies and literature."
In other words, the review is being replaced by a shopping list. Which brings out something important about the economy of the Web. The more lists you're on, the more you're wanted. The premier compliment for a Weblog is to be listed (or linked) by lots of other blogs. The Truth Laid Bear keeps a list of the most-linked sites, a "blogosphere ecosystem." It's like the Social Register.

The Web is not really a web after all. It is a list of lists.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Willoughby!
I thought "Willoughby!' was from The Twilight Zone.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

POX: REASONs WHY THIS ARTICLE SUCKS!

1. Stephen holden didn't write it. he would have lauded us for condemning America's, "culture of mediocrity [that] threatens the security of audiences conditioned to believe that bigger and coarser are better."

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

2. It conveniently omitted trenchant threads like Which Superhero Team Could The Darkness Beat Up?

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if they know we're talking about them now...

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand the thesis of this article. It awkwardly shoehorns two separate and possibly interesting phenomena together: that reviews are being reviewed and that there are lots of lists on the internet. And arguing that because some websites have particular characteristics, the internet itself shares those characteristics is pathetic.

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

My favorite Asia thing is how Geoff Downes totally turned "Video Killed the Radio Star" into "Heat of the Moment":

I heard you on the wireless back in Fifty Two
Lying awake intent at tuning in on you.
If I was young it didn't stop you coming through.
o ah o
...

And now you find yourself in 82
The disco hotspots hold no charm for you
You can’t concern yourself with bigger things
You catch the pearl and ride the dragon’s wings

And then you just sing whichever chorus you want, they both work.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://members.aol.com/DThorn88/Images/boxer-btb-fullcover.jpg

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That article is specious.

― The Ghost of Guess What My New Favorite Word Is (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I consider it bodacious.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Lists?? Clearly she didn't do her research or else she would have discovered that this board can't SHUT THE FUCK UP AND THRIVES ON ARGUMENTS.

Holy shit, ILM is an Italian family.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It's audacious how bodaciously specious it is, my precious.

― The Ghost of Gollum (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

She's precocious and she knows just what it takes to make a pro blush.

The 'List records with a p in the title that were released in April' threads are a significant big part of ILM these days (lamentably, in my view, but whatever turns you on).

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I take that back. They're not a big part at all.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

No doubt, but:

a) Lists have always been a significant part of ILM.
b) There is still a thriving non-trivial percentage of threads devoted to debate/FITE (even if 90% of them revolve around P&J).
c) See, I am making a list to make my point! I'm so clever.
d) -cious.

(xpost: BAHcious)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

..many lists on the Web have distance built into them. Respondents comment less on objects of culture than on themselves, their taste and their memory.

This "objects of culture" thing is crap. You can comment on "objects of art" and claim that the art carries around its own message, but anything cultural can't exist in a vacuum. We bring our personal views to the table, so ILX is like a microcosm (albeit, a very select sample) of the world at large. Cultural crit is all about analyzing reaction shots, even if it's your own.

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still trying to figure out if that article is rockist or not.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

HEY NEW YORK TIMES:

I JUST DO THIS FOR FUN AND TO WASTE TIME WHEN I'M STUCK ON SOMETHING AT WORK!

MAKING LISTS IS KINDA FUN SOMETIMES. SO, YOUR OBJECTS OF ART CAN BLOW ME. MY POSTS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING ABOUT CULTURE. THEY MEAN THAT I'M BORED AND I FEEL LIKE GOOFING AROUND ON A WEBSITE, SO:

TALK
TO
THE
HAND!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Your speculation is spurious at best, Dan'l.

(Guess which word I just looked up?)

(Hint: it starts w/ an "a".)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The New York Times appears to be a paper where truth lovers can discuss news, but many of the articles printed in its pages are in fact invitations to ill-planned military adventures. One suggested topic was "the WMD in Iraq."

― n_rq, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

She's precocious and she knows just what it takes to make a pro blush.

There's lists and there's lists. The kind of lists I was talking about are the ones that have nothing to do with the music, but are kind of abstract exercises in listmaking according to some arbitrary criterion. The 'trainspotter' guy thing.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

david brooks is facetious and he knows just what it takes to blow bush.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Music geeks in making lists shockah! Somebody get nick hornby on the line. I think there..there... there might be a NOVEL in this!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

What's wrong with everything being lists of lists?

-- Lisp Nerd

― phil jones (interstar), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it's time to finally learn emacs after all these years.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm always amazed by these things - whow many people regularly post on ILM vs. how many people the person who wrote this article thinks regularly post on ILM? also whats the approximate lurker to poster ratio? im sure you guys have thought about this before but articles like this take me aback.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

This may be as good an opportunity as any to re-plug the fact that I shall be taking this ILM list and running with it here starting from this Friday.

― Jeff W (zebedee), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"there is a lot of meat in the idea that the internet hasn't opened up new avenues of fact so much as opinion, but this doesn't really cut it. plus it's clear she looked at a new answers page once last week and that's about it. haaaaaack" --OTM

what ms. boxer seems to have missed is that message boards, like ILM, are places for opinion...thus we get what we expect and we goddamned enjoy it (if even just as procrastination). criticizing something for being what it intends to be is pretty piss-poor.

if she spent more than an hour writing this she really ought to consider another line of work. and now we're validating her bad work But enjoying ourselves rightly).

― b b, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha phil!

― The Ghost of LISP FOREVER (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Ever heard someone say aloud the phrase "lists of lists" when they have a speech impediment? Lisp was designed by a guy who knew someone with one, I think.

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

questions regarding the "video killed the moment" lyrics.

1 - If I was young it didn't stop you coming through.
why should someone's age affect their radio's reception?

2 - "riding the dragon" is some druggie shit, but what the hell is "catching the pearl"?

...it's not really a list if it only has two items, is it......

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the article was pretty lame, but I must admit, I do get a bit turned off by list threads. Well, a lot turned off, actually.

"Sole Survivor" is the best Asia track, idiots.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean "Wildest Dreams".

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"catching the pearl" : I think it's just that big ol' pearl the dragon's playing with on the album cover. And you catch it. In the Land Of Roger Dean such things may happen.

First Asia album is noiece.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

This article: I have collected a dust-speck. Oh, look, another dust-speck! And yet another, oh my. Let me place them all together in one spot. BEHOLD THE CASTLE I HAVE BUILT!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

She would have done better to have used the old Sunday Times Arts and Leisure double review "Two Things, Similar but Different" format.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I am now going to review ILM's review of NYT's review of ILM.

Bananas.

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

b.. a en a en a es! bananas!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

now make a list of your favourite kinds of bananas

and then of your favourite banana-related songs.

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I suspect the theme tune to Bananaman would have to top that list.

― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a fan of the Bananas in Pajamas song, myself.

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Luh-luh-luh
Luh-luh-luh

Luh-luh-luh
Luh-luh-luh-luh

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I suspect the theme tune to Bananaman would have to top that list.

I haven't seen the show in over a decade and a half, but I can still remember that theme song PERFECTLY. That's one great object of culture right there!

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

haha I didn't even realize the lyrics were being discussed here:

Right now, "Heat of the Moment". I'd forgotten he sings about riding the dragon's wings.

-- sundar subramanian (sundar_subramanian200...), March 30th, 2005.

Wow, that "now your looks are gone and you're all alone" bit is way more brutal than I realized this song gets. I'd forgotten all the demi-prog breaks too.

-- sundar subramanian (sundar_subramanian200...), March 30th, 2005.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Although on careful relistening, I think it's actually "when your looks are gone".

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

No good times, no bad times
There's no times at all
Just The New York Times

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Time for the obligatory citation of
"We can't try to understand, the New York Times effect on man."

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

**Respondents comment less on objects of culture than on themselves, their taste and their memory. The narcissistic lure can be irresistible.**

here she misses a central truth. loving music is an intensely personal experience, profoundly shaping taste and drawing on a complex web of memories and desires. the autobiographical urge is a natural extension of our deep collective obsession, not just another outlet for shallow self-absorbtion.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

List-making is central to the organization of knowledge.

― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you remember Charles and Ray Eames's 1977 film "Powers of Ten," in which the camera zooms back from the surface of the Earth to a far-off point in space? As the details of the planet recede and vanish, new features of the universe appear. Before you know it, you've been sucked into another order entirely.

http://g.myspace.com/00043/26/22/43372262_l.jpg

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Before you know it, you've been sucked into another order entirely.

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.maryellenmark.com/text/magazines/nytimes/images/401S-197-008.JPEG

Go bananas, go-go bananas...

― Broken Hipster (Broken Hipster), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

whoa, that picture.

― frontiersman's meat coaster (forksclovetofu), Monday, 12 January 2009 23:12 (seventeen years ago)

it's the paper of record and til you better stop wasting my fucking time.

― ian, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 01:14 (seventeen years ago)

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