Splinter Group: I Love *GOOD* Music

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I just got turned on to ILM about a week and a half ago and I am pretty seriously hooked. However, there are so many disparate perspectives here that when you ask any semi-subjective question, the respondents are quite frequently basing their answers on completely differing assumptions and premises. To be frank: ILM thread recommendations are very often completely off-base. While I do appreciate the kooks who send me on my way to download a twentyminute Terror-Core opus, it's just not what I consider a sensible answer to my thread question. This is happening all the time. There's just a lot of people here with {IMO} ridiculous tastes (but they're *clever writers*, giving the posts an air of authority and thus confusing me greatly).

How do we parse the field a bit? Is there a program that can take all of our favorites lists and cross-reference them, and connect users who have comparable sensibilities? I'm not trying to eliminate anybody from the discussion (or marginalize myself, which this thread may well do) - I just think there's a way to minimize the confusion that occurs in these threads... and I know you know what I'm talking about. Examples abound on ILM. I acknowledge that this may be against the ILM code or philosophy, and if so, I'm sorry. Otherwise, let's discuss!

― Moongood (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't know what you're talking about!

you're unhappy because some people have different tastes than you?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Terror-Core is sooooooo last August.

― Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

See, while this "problem" exists (and if only it were a problem that online & real-life forusm featured folks of varying, disparate interests!), your approach to it - to think of GOOD MUSIC as some unassailable permanent thing that everyone can recognize when it bites them on the ass, and all these smooth seductive writers w/ their "ridiculous taste" as liking BAD MUSIC - is ridiculously off-base.

If the following sounds pedantic, it's probably because it seems that way to me, but: The best way to separate the wheat from the chaff is through experience - if so and so burns you w/ a bum pick or 20, then don't listen to them. If so and so does right by you, hang on their every word. If you expect people's taste to completely and wholey dovetail w/ yours to the point that you'll never get burned, then you're bonkers. If you think disregarding someone as being a fan of BAD MUSIC because they like some things you don't is the way to go, then you're equally bonkers.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

In other words, your thread title sucks.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, if downloading something and finding out you don't like it is so terrible, don't download stuff.

― Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"when you ask any semi-subjective question, the respondents are quite frequently basing their answers on completely differing assumptions and premises."

Um. Sounds like the definition of "subjective responses" to me. I think you're probably stuck with digging in and getting your hands dirty. Besides, I think almost everyone here would probably classify themselves as those with "good" taste. Which would leave me very lonely behinds my ramparts of ridiculous taste, waving my fist at the crowd.

Hell of a first thread, though. I would brace yourself for the less kitten-pawed responses to follow.

― John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

WHO DIGS REAL MUSIC?

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

FWIW, the only people I tune out (here, & elsewhere, in regards to the muzak luv) are those that are unwilling to engage w/ stuff they're not familiar with and/or they're not fond of, or at least keep an open mind when someone professes love for such stuff, while simultaneously trying to claim w/out a shred of self-awareness that Their Favorite Stuff is The Fucking Shit, and you're a knock-kneed ass-scratching gimp if you don't see / hear / feel the same.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Come on Dave, how do you really feel about Alex?

― The Ghost of Wanna Be Startin' Somthing (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

BRING OUT THE GIMP!

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

hell, why not go all the way and start a splinter group called "I Love the *BEST* Music"? then you'll really be separating the wheat from the chaff, by gum!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

How do you post with an air of authority?

"As Emeritus Professor of Musicology at Oriel Hall, Cambridge, I recommend you listen to Beak of Putrefaction?"

― Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Could you imagine if we had an ILM recommendation-giver? You select three albums you like or enter a genre and the application spits out a recommendation based on a matrix of ILM tastes and opinions...

― The Ghost of Geeking Out (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, who's up for starting "I Love *RIDICULOUS* Music"?

― Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, how do you know that I'm not talking about YOU?

[x-post, by gum]

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

How do you post with an air of authority?

I'm including a link to my clips & hate mail in all future posts.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I've ever called someone a knock-kneed ass-scratching gimp.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I might have, but I don't think I have.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Moongood, if you ask for recommendations, do what you can to be as specific as possible about what you're looking for. Despite having taste that's mostly at odds with the ILM average (and a lot of ILM heavyweights), when I have asked for suggestions, I have often gotten good ones, or at least found that people genuinely tried to come up with the sort of thing I was asking about.

But otherwise, you just have to figure how who has taste similar to yours. I often listen to things that have been widely praised here and wonder what the big deal is, but it's just kind of basic that different people will like different things.

― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)It doesn't come up in the search engine that's for sure.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Your disturbing antipathy towards blowjobs though THAT'S THERE FOR ALL TO SEE!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone pretty much OTM so far.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno why, but Matos using "by gum" has me giddy w/ glee.

Dan, you goof - it just so happens that my adjective-happy insult stylee matches Alex's adjective-happy insult stylee. I'm not calling anyone out for anything, unless they wanna bring it.

DON'T GO THERE

FWIW, I think Alex would call someone a feces-tossing piss-licking troglodyte felcher before he'd reach for the "knock-kneed ass-scratching gimp".

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(The other option I was going to take on this thread was to riff off of John's "less kitten-pawed" remark and just post obscenity-laden abuse with a postscript that Dave was right about the thread title.)

― The Ghost of Choices, Choices (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Moongood, if you ask for recommendations, do what you can to be as specific as possible about what you're looking for.

Also, make sure to always sub-title your thread "*GOOD* music only please", as this will avoid any further confusion.

― Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"Oh, you wanted *GOOD* music! I thought you wanted to get recommendations that suck ass."

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Odds on Moongood ever posting again? I'm going 5/1.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude has a logon name, though - I'd say 3/2.

For the record, I have nothing but fire-honouring love for Alex, even if he did say that my Grandma was in the 9th circle of Hell sucking off demons or licking chamber pots clean or some other medieval-ass shit.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought people did pretty well for me on this thread:

Where's all the contemporary instrumental music that isn't classical, jazz, New Age, electronic dance, or wild-eyed free improv?

― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think anyone doubted that, Daver!

― The Ghost of Nothin' But Love, Yo (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, Dan. Really, I just wanted to talk about Alex saying my Grandma was in the 9th circle of Hell cleaning latrines w/ a toothbrush.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: feces-tossing piss-licking troglodyte felcher.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Moongood has a (clumsily expressed) point in that plenty of threads are hijacked, so to speak, by those who really don't have any stake in the subject and very often take them somewhere else entirely, even when they might have been deserving of a straightforward answer. But expecting consistent opinion on ILM is about as likely as, say, an ILM poster moving in with Maya/MIA (except as a gimp slave of course). That's not what it's for. Think of it as a crowd all offering different directions to someone who's lost. Hopefully one of them is bound to be right.

― snotty moore, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

snotty OTM.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Damnit, I need a place to stay and I figured Maya would love to have me....the realization hurts....anyway snotty thats OTM about the hijackers.

― jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I love *Better Music Than You*

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

A week and a half & this is what you're posting? I'm sorry but it seems to me that you're going about this all wrong. Or maybe this is what you thought of ILM before you got here. Because it sounds like you've just been asking questions that you already know the answers to...that's the only way I can see that you'd ever get an unsatisfying response out of ILM. I'm relatively new myself, and I know that if you have genuine questions, and you genuinely want answers, you'll get them...and you'll get sound advice from cool people with interesting taste. But if you aren't being genuine, and you think a thread like this will help get other fans of GOOD music onside...well, you reap what you sow. I don't want to be nasty about it, but ILM deserves better than THIS from YOU.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

VG is my hero..(tear)

― Yngwie AlmsteenMay (sgertz), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Whew. I'm all a-twitter now. Time for a beer....

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd imagine this may have been touched upon earlier and I'm too lazy right now to re-read the posts but I think a huge mistake was made in trying to qualify some music as good and the rest in opposition to the universally tested and factually proven to be good music. I would imagine most ILMers, like myself, get irked when they are appraoched by someone or come across any sort of comment that asserts some sort of knowledge of "good music". I would imagine this kind of comment would most frequently (not always of course) come from someone that likes "indie rock" and is all happy about having new unknown CDs by the likes of Postal Service, the Shins and are really into classic rock. If MOON is still reading this thread I would just advise him/her to stay away from big catch-all iniversal qualifiers, those seem to get a lot of flack especially from a community with very diverse tastes.

Again if I'm just reitterating earlier posts, sorry, its tough to read a bunch of posts after a couple beers.

― jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

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