Xgau: "indie rap doesn't bump" part 1,863

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From his write-up of the Perceptionists: "At its best, commercial hip-hop is more compelling and original, not to mention pleasurable, than alt-rap. Jay-Z and Timbaland and The College Dropout and the new 50 Cent album have more jam than anything the hip-hop underground has produced, the Perceptionists included."

Jay-Z: "retired"
Timbaland: not churning out Miss E...-caliber stuff as often anymore (that LL album: ugh)
The College Dropout: '70s R&B samples and braggadoccio-expressed-via-self-aware consciousness! How diametrically opposed to indie rap!
The new 50 Cent album: hahaha

"Indie rap doesn't bump like the mainstream shit does" = 2005's "mainstream rap is shallow and full of blingy jiggy bitch ho slap gat nigga stuff; here comes Rawkus to save us"?

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i've been meaning to start a thread about how the underground is starting to bump. i swear to god. but i'm tired and i wanna go home from work.

― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

people may laugh, but i found that grip grand track (poppin pockets) and the sage francis track with will oldham (sea lion) and they're both pretty fucking great. their flow's could easily fall on any southern album and the beats are fun. sage's are a bit more dj shadowish, but still easily danceable.

mark my words

― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Nate. Also, if xgau thinks the Ps don't bump, he needs to unwax his earholes.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

College Dropout >>> Black dialogue

I actually like the perceptionists album all right, although Mr. Lif is not my favorite rapper by a long shot, and he stands out on the album. Particularly that party track at the end w guru, which definitely bumps! And the chorus is hot! Except when mr. lif is rapping.

I also like the el p beats pretty good. Akrobatik's cool enough.

― deej., Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Er... i meant that lif stands out in a bad way, and that the party track doesn't bump when lif is rapping, not that the chorus isnt hot when lif is rapping.

― deej., Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Lyrically I guess it just seems like lif relies v. heavily on cornball rappingatyouhiphopCULTCHA! sloganeering.

― deej., Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Stupornaut your analogy is OTM.

― jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

well, hopefully not too OTM

― jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually on the whole I still think most indie rap isn't as "good" as playing to the club in that it doesn't usually try to play to the club, and when everything else is it helps make for variety. Too many mainstream crits and cred police automatically equate "big" = "good" (and conversely "blunted muddy indie" = "crapola") with a fervor as dumb and prevalent as the circa-Soundbombing 2 backpacker "mainstream is bad" attitude. I like yelling and Mannie Fresh and macrofunk but sometimes when it is 11 PM and I am on the bus and I am tired I want to hear muddy downtempo rare groove samples.

And those examples made me snort. When are acts like Heiroglyphics going to innovate like Kanye does? (Answer: 1998)

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't stand Lif.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Kanye makes pop songs. The last hiero album was shitty.

― deej., Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Although, to a degree, i agree w yr larger point.

― deej., Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

They should continue those "The more you know" spots on NBC and have Mr. Lif rap about not stealing.

― deej., Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hence the 1998 (because Third Eye Vision = hotness)

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

mainstream or not, Rest in Peace Russell Jones.

― el jefe visen, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.aquariumfish.net/images_01/rainbow_neon_blue.jpg http://www.vision.caltech.edu/feifeili/101_ObjectCategories/barrel/image_0008.jpg

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, "You Never Knew" had that sped up soul sample thing Kanye loves.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

What's more, Azeem bumps, but I'm the only one to buy his solo record (the Variable Unit thing kinda sucks)

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Timbaland: not churning out Miss E...-caliber stuff as often anymore (that LL album: ugh)

"Headsprung" had plenty of "jam," if little else.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Nate yr correct but I don't think that "muddy downtempo rare groove samples" are really the best way forward for indie rap. It's true that there's nothing wrong with not making club bangers but that doesn't mean that indie rappers/producers should deliberately make non-club-bangers in the most boring, obvious fashion possible (not that muddy downtempo rare groove samples are boring per se, but as a signifier for deepness or seriousness they're pretty played by now surely).

I'm always surprised that the indie rap community don't tend to capitalise on the occasional one-off bizarro ideas that the mainstream rap world throws up and then (due to its devotion to the club banger) don't follow through on. This happens a little bit I guess - I sorta think that the El-P productions on Cold Vein and Fantastic Damage are basically Company Flow filtered through Jay-Z's "Come & Get Me" - but if anything the flow of ideas is often stronger in the other direction! (see Jurassic 5 --> Under Construction).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I know that SA Smash was supposed to be like the Def Jux diplomats or something, but that ended up sucking superbadly. That said, they even had their moments (and the Aesop Rock sex rap on their album was...interesting. I liked it! I think.)

― deej., Wednesday, 30 March 2005 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000065DJ4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Yngwie AlmsteenMay (sgertz), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"Indie rap doesn't bump like the mainstream shit does" = 2005's "mainstream rap is shallow and full of blingy jiggy bitch ho slap gat nigga stuff; here comes Rawkus to save us"?

I think the former is just an overreaction to the latter, albeit a somewhat justifiable one. Underground rap gets a little too much of its mileage out of dissing mainstream rap/setting itself up purely in opposition to mainstream rap. That said, it's a bit silly to derive from this a rule that mainstream rap is always better than underground rap.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I do agree w/ nate w/r/t it being a good thing that underground doesn't have to define itself by the club, but what yr asking for is like S Reynolds scenius vs. genius analogies... the requirements of the club mean that only the cream rises to the top (not that you neccessarily have to like it, but if it works in a club it will work on the charts, generally speaking, when it comes to hip-hop, in my experience). Whereas with indie hip-hop, you require consistency from the artist, rather than the scene...it requires a dude who can really make it work as an auteur. El-P's one of the few recent cats who can really pull that off.

― djdee (djdee2005), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(does that make sense?)

― djdee (djdee2005), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

re: scenius - isn't this why undie rap is better when it's the product of a focused local scene rather than an individual auteur? Like say what you will about british hip hop but there was definitely a brief period when there was a flurry of good albums from Skitz, Blak Twang and Fallacy plus good freestyle action from people like Sway and nice underground singles from the likes of Karl Hinds and MC D because it was its own scene with its own style (bass heavy, doomy, uptempo tracks, jamaican-influenced mcs).

― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the requirements of the club mean that only the cream rises to the top

SR has said this against MIA and against Prefuse, but does it really work? it seems kinda idealist, like 'all's for the crunk in the best of all possible worlds'. because the industry does not work as a simple as--grind meritocracy. it's probably more likely to work in small independent scenes if anything. the way big business (like the music bidness) works does not always promote talent and innovation.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

there is room on the plate for both mainstream and undie. i hate it when fans of mainstream assume all undie doesn't bump or is otherwise flat, and i really hate it when alt MCs have nothing to say except bad-mouthing mainstream rap. what i will say is, i don't think the mainstream is anything like as strong as it was just a few years ago - for my money, MF Doom produced more good material than all of the more commercial artistes last year on his own (or with friends). and it's been a slow year for mainstream so far in 2005, too, whereas One Be Lo and Sage Francis have put out strong records, and we've got material from Quas and Busdriver coming up soon.

― Lee F# (fsharp), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I kinda want to participate in this, but the description "muddy downtempo rare groove samples" gives me the kind of hives that can only be cured with prolonged exposure to J-Pop, so I guess I should just conclude that undie's not my thing and leave it at that.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The weirdest thing about X-Gau's sentence up above is that almost all great COMMERCIAL hip hop bubbled up initially from the underground (from Wu-Tang to Jay-Z to Lil Jon to 50 Cent to whomever.) These guys weren't discovered on Star Search or whatever.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah he's referring to the white underground/indie continuum, rather than, you know the streets/mixtapes/etc. Which is a weird distinction to make really, but white (audience, not nec. artists) underground indie has totally different connections/place in the industry.

― djdee (djdee2005), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

given that Xgau's professed love for indie rap trumps his professed love for mainstream shit that bumps a good 60% of the time I'm not sure what the problem here is.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"If the crowd at the Perceptionists' exultant CD-release gig March 24 was even 10 percent black, the Bowery Ballroom has a balcony I don't know about. But though these white kids may have been tourists, they weren't slumming or playing bad—insofar as they romanticize blacks, it's about the rebel status and moral clarity of what the title song calls "the most imitated culture on this Earth.""

or, um, maybe they just like the music a lot. i am really tired of the "most of ther crowd was white" card. it's too easy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

how is that "a card"?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't know. i just felt like calling that a card. it's shorthand for something dumb. i don't know why it bugs me so much.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

how about cliche. it's at the end of every live indie-rap review.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not at the end of this one, the whole fucking piece is about race and how it plays into hip-hop, especially indie hip-hop. that's not a "card," sorry.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

oklay, okay, it's not a card. it still bugs me.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)Or live rap review period.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

it's in the last paragraph.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, in japan, most of the audiences at rap shows are japanese. interesting, huh? LET'S MOVE ON.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

a few years ago I reviewed an Incubus show and mentioned that the audience was surprisingly female for a metal show (this is when they opened for Deftones). would that have bugged you as well?

right, it's in the last paragraph. it's also in the third paragraph.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

defensive, defensive!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

it depends on how you wrote about it. did you have a point? it wouldn't surprise me. the singer from Incubus is a dreamboat.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, I did. so does Bob, whose piece is, in part, ABOUT who the indie-rap audience is. you're making it out like he just threw the factoid into the piece for no reason at all, and if he had your objection would make more sense. but that's the topic here, there's nothing careless about it.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, you are right. i just read the whole thing. it does fit into a piece on "wigger race tourists". amen, brother. still bugs me though. i'm not all that big on sociology, i guess.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

if i really wanted to take issue with something it would be the idea that 50 cent is original, compelling, and pleasurable. but that's a subjective kinda thing.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

When I saw Incubus my friend fucking flipped out and got pissed cuz they had a digeridoo onstage....apparently some guy in his freshmen dorm used to act all "sophisticated" and pull out a digeridoo at parties to impress the chicks...hated that dude, and Incubus were dead to him after that.

TO THE POINT:

If indie rap circa 2005 is more tired and flat and lifeless than "Disco Inferno", it's in deep trouble.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

scott seward otm.

come to my predominantly black neighborhood and you'll meet plenty of black people who like and listen to and even make so-called undie rap.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

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dj, when i read the whole thing, i agree, the white audience thing seemed a lot less glaring. and it had a place in the piece. i think i instinctively get annoyed when i think someone is pointing out the white kids in the audience to sorta belittle the music itself. as in: "this is white college kid stuff, they like phish too, what's wrong with them, don't they know that popular rap is so much more innovative." i try and take things on a case by case basis myself. not that i don't enjoy making fun of fans, i do. but i try not to use fans against someone to point out how much better something else is. i think. no, wait, i've prtobably done that too. (not that xgau is doing that here. in other stuff. maybe this is just all a lesson i need to learn.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

usually the person pointing out the white people is really just pointing out their own myopic view of an audience. it's incredibly insulting to the non-white people who are/were actually part of that audience, and certainly 10000x more racist and harmful than just a bunch of white kids going to a hip-hop show.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

hstencil OTM, although i think xgau is doing something different here.

― djdee (djdee2005), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps, i haven't read his piece yet. i'm just saying in general, not accusing him in specific. it's a very annoying ilm tendency, imo.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i think sometimes what i read into the white audience obsevation is that old hipster cliche of "black people don't like this stuff. how cool could it be?". and if i'm completely off-base for thinking that, then i'm off-base. maybe cuz i grew up going to a zillion jazz shows in nyc with predominantly white audiences that it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.if you dug it, you dug it. i'm not a hand-wringer. i dunno. rap, to me, in 2005, is so many things. and it exists everywhere. it just seems so blinkered to reduce things down to black/white, but, you know, i understand that is naive. plus, everyone is taught to bow down to the "legacy" of rap, and that gets all tangled up in things. fuck a legacy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

ahem well:

"The title [Black Dialogue] should clear up one question. Unlike every other alt-rapper named here thus far, Mr. Lif and Akrobatik are black. Mr. Lif, né Jeffrey Hayes, is the son of Barbadian immigrants; Akrobatik, né Jared Bridgeman, is the grandson of Barbadian immigrants. It's not unreasonable to suggest, as both Lif and Akrobatik do—with more heart and nuance than white alt-rap gatekeepers&—that mainstream hip-hop sells demeaning black stereotypes to an audience it brutalizes. Nor is it crazy to say, although such charges greatly understate black fans' and artists' complicity in the sensationalizing process, that wigger race tourists are the economic motor of this exploitation. Still, six years and many dire predictions later, Eminem remains the only white hip-hopper who can top the charts, while Aesop Rock, Sage Francis, and Atmosphere are alt headliners, and the market for bestselling hip-hop is much blacker than the market for its undie variant. Just as scoffers claim, these embarrassing facts have musical consequences. At its best, commercial hip-hop is more compelling and original, not to mention pleasurable, than alt-rap. Jay-Z and Timbaland and The College Dropout and the new 50 Cent album have more jam than anything the hip-hop underground has produced, the Perceptionists included."

― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

no other races exist, there is just black/white.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, that's precisely what he's saying, you genius you

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

xp to scott - its a very urban/hipster perspective too. Where I go to school, at the college, white kids are all into indie hip-hop (generally speaking) and in the town itself, white kids are all into popular hip-hop. LARGE numbers of them. White college frat parties all play lil jon. Its a lot more complicated than white = indie, black = "mainstream"

Matos i dont think anyones arguing with you!

― djdee (djdee2005), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I know parts of that post contradicted but there you go. Thats what i get for using anecdotal evidence.

― djdee (djdee2005), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Its a lot more complicated than white = indie, black = "mainstream"

(which xgau described very well too, i think)

― djdee (djdee2005), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

matos, my post was about the annoying tendency in social/cultural talkin' 'bout America in general to see only two races, not anything that was in xgau's paragraph. it might be more useful for you to ask before you assume you know what someone else is talking about.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean if anything xgau is definitely talking about complicatedness!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, the other posts were clear but that one wasn't--looked more like a specific riposte. gotcha.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

b-but there *is* only one "race" in America, altho there are plenty of ethnicites.

cf:
http://www.uwm.edu/MilwaukeeIdea/CC/mca/packet/fall2003/Slavery,%20Race,%20and%20Ideology.htm

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

(above linked essay is classic barbara fields piece on this.)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

OK thats quite long so ... maybe i'm stupid for saying but this, but we're talking about race as a social construct, no?

― djdee (djdee2005), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - dude, europeans are kicking ass in the nba now.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah djdee, i'm totally talking social construct, not genetics or whatever.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe i'm missing something but why did sterling bring that article up?

― djdee (djdee2005), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

he wants to exonerate jimmy the greek?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

because there are only two races in america! (one, really.) fields argues this better and more explicitly elsewhere that's not online.

in other words, there's nothing *wrong* with dealing with black/white in a whole difft. way than and sometimes exclusive of broader immigration/ethnicity issues.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 31 March 2005 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah I've read about this before then, the idea the United States having a binary culture, right? Or am i being too reductive.

― djdee (djdee2005), Thursday, 31 March 2005 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)

no, but sterling is.

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 31 March 2005 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus are we still talking about this?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 31 March 2005 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

indie rap doesnt HAVE to bump. its an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream stuff. why the fuck does all hip hop have to subscribe to the same ethos, sound and values when rock doesnt have to? eff xgau.

― ppp, Thursday, 31 March 2005 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Indie hip-hop tends to tour in the same clubs, bars, etc. that indie rock does i.e. small venues located in college towns and large urban areas. The clientele for any given venue may vary greatly, but I think you're going to see some overlap regardless of show.

I have no idea what the audience is like on more commercial music locally, since (shame!) I haven't been to many local shows. We actually had Terror Squad, Clipse, and a few others tour through, but they've been at venues that are out in the suburbs. Lack of good venues, I guess, but this is Des Moines...

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I was at the show he's talking about but unaware until now that I was in fact engaging in an act of "race tourism". So now I can happily report that I learned something new today!

― andrew s (andrew s), Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

like maybe how to read, since that's not what he called the audience at that show?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

at least xgau is more clever than that

― andrew s (andrew s), Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

IM SO FREAKIN TIRED OF THIS! WHY DO YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT RACE!? THATS ALL I WANT TO KNOW, i want a response, not because im a desperate loser, but because i really want an answer to why race is so important to hip-hop music? Why the hell is it a crime to hate on the mainstream? The mainstream has no originality. underground/experimental/abstract/alternative/indie does. thats right i said the long whole nine yard phrase, now if you mean indie-mainstream or alt-mainstream like in the vein of Common or Talib Kweli or Mos Def than their the only MAINSTREAM rappers that rule because their just famous alt rappers. THATS ALL! so i will be as specific as possible
stop rooting for mainstream rap, and stop saying rap is about expression but people diss someone who express anything they want on the mic

just stop following the same formula people god

what the fuck is wrong wit you all?

― John X, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:44 (twenty years ago)

indie rap is for grups.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Two words: "Stay Fly."

― i'm from hollywood, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

Artificial amatuers aren't at all amazing...

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 11:51 (twenty years ago)

bo$$ hogg barbarians is my #2 cd so far this year after t.i. & it bangs in the trunk

― +++++, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 13:15 (twenty years ago)

"stop rooting for mainstream rap"

― Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

"thats right i said the long whole nine yard phrase"

Hey are you an undie rapper yourself? Because I think you could do well.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

There isn't a bumpiness scale under the sun on which "Stay Fly" outbumps anything. It's practically an indie track. A damn good indie track, but still...

― sixteen sergeants, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

there's a bumpiness scale?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:50 (twenty years ago)

http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/2005-0623hydrogen-full.jpg

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

alls I'm sayin' is, if I had a hypothetical little sister in a hypothetical hip-hop dance class, and she asked me for music recommendations, and I recommended "Stay Fly", she would probably roll her eyes and complain that it didn't have a strong enough beat. hypothetically.

― sixteen sergeants, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

Another turning point;
a fork stuck in the road.

Time grabs you by the wrist;
directs you where to go.

So make the best of this test
and don't ask why.

It's not a question
but a lesson learned in time.

It's something unpredictable
but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.

So take the photographs
and still frames in your mind.

Hang it on a shelf
In good health and good time.

Tattoos of memories
and dead skin on trial.

For what it's worth,
it was worth all the while.

It's something unpredictable
but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.

(music break)

It's something unpredictable
but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 4 September 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

why should it have to bump? i dont see anyone dismissing all indie rock cos it doesnt rock out like the fucking foo fighters or something.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 4 September 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.desk2web.net/images/head_hands.jpg

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 4 September 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

Why can't indie rap bump? I know generally it doesn't but could it? Is anyone rocking the avant-but-funky route (outside the mainstream, obv.)

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy, is "bump" good or bad?

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.troubledteen.us/images/privpic.jpg

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.trifocus.net/~gomploid/dinosaur/bump.gif

― gear (gear), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy
At the risk of sounding like a lame white guy

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

:-D

you're so cruel, noodlevague!

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

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