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Mudhoney perform Spuerfuzz Bigmuff

Sounds like a jolly night out....

Si Carter (Si Carter), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I am struck dumb by this

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Mudhoney was basically the first rock show (like, in a club) that I ever went to!

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

what else should they be doing?

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know...getting programming jobs or something?

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The reunion was last year, I recall, on CD at least. It is well known Mark A. works at Fantagraphics.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Really? Not by me, but that's cool.

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Now it is well known to you. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

It's just sad. If I knew back then that rock stars faded so awfully, I wouldn't have invested so much time and effort into the rock n' roll lifestyle (especially the drugs and the not giving a fuck / thinking in the back of my mind I'd have an album out someday). I could've become a high-paid well-educated career motherfucker!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sure Mudhoney had day jobs to some degree their entire career.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

And if I knew that I would've invested even LESS time into rock. When I was a dumb kid, I basically imagined being on MTV = success forever. There was no Behind The Music or After The Music Died or whatever back then.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Mudhoney. I still have an old issue of Raygun w/ them interviewed by Eddie Vedder, it's great. They refer to 120 Minutes as the "New Wave Ghetto."

Amon (eman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

re: "the rock n roll lifestyle" - gullibility's a bitch.


x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

You were on MTV?

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's strange that you all find this sad, and yet everyone was so excited about the Pixies thing.

I mean, Mudhoney's been a working, performing band this whole time, releasing new albums, writing new material -- there's nothing weird or depressing to me about them wanting to go out and play a bunch of old songs one night.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

This is timely; I just found a bootleg Mudhoney tape at Everyday Music last week. It's from a London show in 1988, plus a Peel session from 1989.

I'm blown away at how great it is. They could truly work up a head of scree guitar noise and Stooges-influenced wailing.

Part of it is straight up nostalgia - I used to see them all the time around this period, at the Vogue, CoCa, Hub Ballroom.

I'm sure there is a lot of hate for them around here, but they truly rocked this period like no one else. They deserve some serious props.

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

the Pixies thing seemed much sadder to me than this, personally. I have way more respect for Mudhoney as "the grunge band that never made it" but stayed together, kept making records, etc. I admire musicians with a work ethic.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think it's sad, it jut makes me feel old! And so did the Pixies reunion! And the Slint reunion!

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

don't go to reunions then. (I don't)

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't get that link at the top to work, but I think the whole playing Superfuzz Bigmuff in order is an All Tomorrow's Parties festival request.

I don't know about faded so badly, maybe I am in the minority, but I liked the last Mudhoney album "Since We've Become Translucent".

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

you like the Rolling Stones! you must have been feeling old since birth! (xxxxpost)

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

This is true! Ow my fucking back!

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

This is clearly a case of the band just not having a profile outside Seattle since 1995 or so.

Mudhoney never broke up or "reunited", for christ's sake. They just haven't been as active -- or more the point, mentioned in the press. I saw Mudhoney and the Climax Golden Twins just before 9/11, and Mudhoney have definitely done many shows since.

Yeah, Mark and Steve and those guys have been working in town for quite a while. Steve Turner now has his band Steve Turner And His Bad Ideas (NOT to be confused with Gibby Haynes And His Problem.), but Mudhoney -- and the Monkeywrench for that matter -- are still available for gigs at any time, but just on an occasional basis, and not a consistent basis. Martine still works, AFAIK, at Fantagraphics too, as does Mark.

Mark was part of the very enthusiastic crowd at the A-Frames record release party two and half weeks ago... He was also at the DMBQ (Japan)/Federation X show this past weekend. And I see Dan occasionally doing shopping in Fremont. So, no one in the band is or has ever been "hiding."

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I was going to say, I never heard about them breaking up!

You know, the more I think about the more I would quite like to see them again, actually!

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

It looks like the retro set theme at this London show maybe confused some people into thinking this was a reunion of some sort - but I'm not sure that seeing Dan shopping in Fremont is going to help prove to someone in Alabama that Mudhoney is still active...

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

They're still pretty great -- I saw them in Brooklyn about a year and a half ago. The most recent album's mostly awesome (although nowhere near SFBM or the first album).

Mudhoney was my favorite band, bar none, through all of high school, so I feel pretty fucking old, too. But I'm thrilled they keep on playing.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

There should be a kickass Mudhoney 1988-89 tribute band out there. I'd go see them in a heartbeat.

Maybe there is, I don't know, actually.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

but I'm not sure that seeing Dan shopping in Fremont is going to help prove to someone in Alabama that Mudhoney is still active...

Should we care what someone in Alabama thinks? No offense to people in that state of course, but bands don't owe updates to the world of their existence on a regular basis... I said what I said so that someone from Alabama reading this would now know. That's all.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I just thought your geeky name-dropping was trumping my geeky-I-was-there posturing...

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Steve Turner was with the Fall-Outs for a record. Last album was a few yrs ago, but pretty great snide-ass trebly garage punky stuff.

Nothing nostalgic/sad abt those guys. In fact, they're the exception to the rule, as has been impied here.

Toenes, Thursday, 21 April 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

That should be "implied."

Toenes, Thursday, 21 April 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I just thought your geeky name-dropping was trumping my geeky-I-was-there posturing...

I think it's implied that anything I type here is going to be geekier-than-thou :)

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 21 April 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, Mudhoney's been a working, performing band this whole time, releasing new albums, writing new material -- there's nothing weird or depressing to me about them wanting to go out and play a bunch of old songs one night.

That's a good way to put it.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, agreed. And you are correct on the Alabamians as well.

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I gotta be honest and say I sold back all the albums after ripping them because I wasn't listening to any of them regularly -- but I kept March to Fuzz because that's one goddamn hell of an overview.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Interview I did with Steve Turner a couple of years ago. Thoroughly nice chap I must say. Although I cringe at some of my clumsy writing here, it's a decent enough interview and has some interesting stuff on how Mudhoney operate ("hobby rock") and some amusing/disturbing anecdotes about their antics with Townes Van Zandt.

http://www.diskant.net/interviews/steveturner.htm

Stew (stew s), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"Since We've Become Translucent" was maybe their best LP and when I saw them in Manchester touring to support it they were as good as I'd ever seen them (first time was their first UK show.)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Mudhoney never broke up or "reunited", for christ's sake.

actually they broke up in 1999 when Lukin left and reunited to record "Inside Job" for a comp with Wayne Kramer on bass. Song kicked enough ass that they grabbed a new guy and kept on keeping on. Mudhoney rule (as does Monkeywrench).

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Translucent is not my favourite LP of theirs but it's a top psych album and better than virtually everything back to "fudge"..

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, Mudhoney's been a working, performing band this whole time, releasing new albums, writing new material -- there's nothing weird or depressing to me about them wanting to go out and play a bunch of old songs one night.

OTM. Actually, when I started the thread, I didn't think of it as a reunion, more a celebration of their early work. So I bought a couple of tickets too. FAP?

Si Carter (Si Carter), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, being one of those northern types, I've just realised that 'Koko' is actually the Camden Palace! Retro-ness rules!

Si Carter (Si Carter), Thursday, 21 April 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Mudhoney were gunna play a political fundraiser thingy here in portland last october, but had to pull out since one of him couldn't get the time off work. the guy's an EMT, so most folks understood.

still, i had planned to go and yell at them to play "Revolution"...

kingfish, Thursday, 21 April 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

slip the morphine suppository...way....down...inside...

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 21 April 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Mudhoney never broke up or "reunited", for christ's sake.

Actually Donut Debonair is correct, they never officially broke up. After Lukin left they were inactive and working on other projects, but they never announced anything and in interviews have said they never broke up.

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 21 April 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

This has brought back memories of Mudhoney playing Manchester in '89 and changing the words of 'Touch Me I'm Sick' to 'Let Me See Your Pants' and trying to get everyone in baggy jeans to do handstands.

I spent a good chunk of my student grant following these guys around northern England... I think I'd actually be quite up for this for old times sake.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 22 April 2005 07:24 (nineteen years ago) link

It's been referenced to above, but this is a part of 'don't look back', a series of shows where bands play their 'classic' albums. belle & sebastian are doing 'if you're feeling sinister', and there are rumors of dinosaur jr doing 'bug' and sonic youth doing 'daydream nation.' it's not like mudhoney is going out and touring purely behind a 15yo record.

Peter Trahms, Friday, 22 April 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Daydream Nation and Superfuzz Bigmuff shopuld really be on together, if they want to be really nostalgic.

Wasn't one of Mudhoney a carpenter?

I like Mudhoney, although I didn't get very far when I tried lsitening to SFBM again.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

they never announced anything and in interviews have said they never broke up.

In the liners to March To Fuzz Steve Turner says that Mudhoney "lasted until summer 1999, when Matt hung up his bass for good." But it's irrelevant anyhow. They're around and they kick ass.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Matt Lukin's the carpenter. I read somewhere (I think it was a Melvins forum) that he'd become a Christian.
There's a good interview w/ Mark Arm up on Buddyhead (when's the last time you looked at Buddyhead?) right now where he mentions his job:
Speaking of musical careers, have you ever looked at your band and the music you make as a career?
No. I guess it became one for awhile, but I work these days.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 22 April 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw Mudhoney (and The Fluid and Steelpole Bathtub) open for GWAR in Trenton, NJ in 1988. I have no need to see them again.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

In the liners to March To Fuzz Steve Turner says that Mudhoney "lasted until summer 1999, when Matt hung up his bass for good."

The liners are dubious, you appeared to have more facts when you challenged the initial statement...you said "actually". Just don't. Mudhoney rocks.

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Saturday, 23 April 2005 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
This is tonight. Anyone else going?

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Thursday, 15 September 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Incidentally, it's nice to know (a) It's sold out (b) so is the 2nd night

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Thursday, 15 September 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
So how was it ?
Soundgarden and Nirvana threads are currently sprouting messages left and right for no apparent reason so I'll be damned if Mudhoney stays at 22. Fuck it, I'm posting alone if that's what it takes.

blunt (blunt), Saturday, 8 October 2005 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Whoops, in fact this thread already has twice as many posts as I thought. Still underrated

blunt (blunt), Saturday, 8 October 2005 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Wish I couldve seen that show.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Saturday, 8 October 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I wish that scrollbar gets so small we can't use the mouse anymore when we have a gander at this thread.

blunt (blunt), Saturday, 8 October 2005 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i had the cassett of superfuzz bigmuff, right, and would always stop tape or flip over to side 2 after "you got it." it wasn't until years later that i let side one play to the end and wtf, sonic youth cover? all because the song wasnt listed anywhere on the tape or cover. hidden bonus tape track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#$!R%P#

amon (eman), Saturday, 8 October 2005 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

More props for having a song called "You Fucking Asshole". And getting away with it.

Who needs Anal Cunt all that unreal OTT metal stuff when you have perfectly offensive no-nonsense everyday street talk.

blunt (blunt), Saturday, 8 October 2005 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

More props for having a song called "You Fucking Asshole". And getting away with it.

Mudhoney covered the Angry Samoans' "You Stupid Asshole" and it was on record years before.

Harry Klamt, Saturday, 8 October 2005 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

My Cali H/C knowledge is clearly lacking.

blunt (blunt), Saturday, 8 October 2005 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
how is the new record ("billion suns)?!?!

nostalgia for an age yet to come, Monday, 27 February 2006 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

pretty awesome

i am not a nugget (stevie), Monday, 27 February 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

First couple of albums are classic. They still sound pretty timeless to me, unlike the rest of the Seattle/"Grunge" stuff from around that time. If they hadn't been lumped in with a bunch of groups that sounded nothing like them, they might be more respected now. I'd love to see them on tour with Comets on Fire.

josh in sf (stfu kthx), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"sooo overblown (it's all over and done"

eedd, Monday, 27 February 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Anybody seen 'em lately? It's hard to believe, but it's been FIVE YEARS for me. seems like yesterday. god times flies. They are playing tonight. psyched.

Stormy Davis, Friday, 2 November 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I've never stopped loving their records - I still play the 'million suns' one about once a month - but damn if they haven't been seriously underwhelming every time I've seen them live. 5x since 1988, always in Chicago fwiw - tho more charming as time marches on.

Mike Dixn, Friday, 2 November 2007 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link

They were retro in the first place, innit.

"That a band can be this urgent, and yet so uninvolving, this frenzied, and yet so ultimately immobile, this charged, and yet so fundamentally lazy, is a testament to some kind of dire deadlock. The moment has passed, an impasse has been
reached. It would be more rewarding to watch someone struggle, uncomfortably and unsuccessfully, to get to some beyond, than to witness something as consummate as Mudhoney.

For Mudhoney are immaculate. Every thrust, rip, rent, howl, jut and jive is perfectly placed, and asserts, with a conviction that's utterly convinving, that punk's not dead. And I don't mean some privileged moment in '76, but punk as Lester Bangs invented it, the bad boy trash lineage that runs from rockabilly, through Sixties garage, Seventies gumbo metal to contemporary thrash. It's alive and burning still. Mudhoney have the riffs, the songs, the vehemence, the
attitude, the windmilling longhair, the witticisms ... "I'll give $50 to the first guy to come onstage and throw his guts up", "we're not playing another song until they erect a stage barrier", "we're tired of all you over-active young people,
let's have some old people up the front now" ... They've only just begun and already they're washed up, standing still at a point of perfection, giving the people what they want, fitting our talk without testing it, meeting our need without
stretching it."

Simon Reynolds, 1989

pc user, Friday, 2 November 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Just found this info on a reissue of Superfuzz and a new album for '08.
I see there is a new Monkeywrench record out on Birdman records also.
A busy year for Mudhoney and friends.
1. Touch Me I'm Sick
2. Sweet Young Thing Ain't Sweet No More
3. Twenty Four
4. Need
5. Chain That Door
6. Mudride
7. No One Has
8. If I Think
9. In 'n' Out of Grace
10. The Rose
11. Hate the Police
12. You Got It (Keep It Outta My Face)
13. Burn It Clean
14. Halloween
15. Need (demo)
16. Mudride (demo)
17. In 'n' Out of Grace (demo)
18. No One Has (live in Berlin 10/10/88)
19. Sweet Young Thing Ain't Sweet No More (live in Berlin 10/10/88)
20. Need (live in Berlin 10/10/88)
21. Chain That Door (live in Berlin 10/10/88)
22. If I Think (live in Berlin 10/10/88)
23. Mudride (live in Berlin 10/10/88)
24. Here Comes Sickness (live in Berlin 10/10/88)
25. Touch Me I'm Sick (live in Berlin 10/10/88)
26. In 'n' Out of Grace (live in Berlin 10/10/88)
27. Mudride (live at KCSB 11/16/88)
28. Here Comes Sickness (live at KCSB 11/16/88)
29. No One Has (live at KCSB 11/16/88)
30. By Her Own Hand (live at KCSB 11/16/88)
31. Touch Me I'm Sick (live at KCSB 11/16/88)
32. Dead Love (live at KCSB 11/16/88)

Monday, March 3
The Lucky Ones Track List: The following 11 songs will be on The Lucky Ones (SP765) released by Sub Pop on CD and LP May 20:

1. I'm Now
2. Inside Out Over You
3. The Lucky Ones
4. Next Time
5. And the Shimmering Light
6. The Open Mind
7. What's This Thing?
8. Running Out
9. Tales of Terror
10. We Are Rising
11. New Meaning

steampig67, Sunday, 23 March 2008 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Those 32 tracks are spread over two discs, correct? I can't imagine them fitting on one.

Reatards Unite, Sunday, 23 March 2008 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, the second disc starts with the three demos.

steampig67, Sunday, 23 March 2008 14:03 (sixteen years ago) link

i love mudhoney, though i never got to see them live at all in their heyday. some of their major label stuff is pretty underrated, "piece of cake" was dope and so was that ep "5 dollar bob's mock cooter stew". and the split CD single they did with jimmie dale gilmore is awesome too:

http://www.discogs.com/release/875844

gilmore's cover of blinding sun is awesome.

pipecock, Sunday, 23 March 2008 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

I listened to "Right Turn" on Alice In Chains' Sap for the first time in a decade, the song where Layne splits vocal duties with Chris Cornell and Mark Arm. When Arm comes in and just monotonally sucks (saps) the life out of everything, it really shows you how dude was just coming from a different place than all the indie dudes in Seattle trying to be Robert Plant. Love you, Mudhoney.

jigglepanda.gif (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 11 October 2008 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Kinda surprised to learn Mark Arm sang on an AIC song, for some reason. I always thought he/Mudhoney were a completely different world from AIC even though they were both called grunge

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 11 October 2008 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link

'Grunge' was totally incestuous, especially with the Seattle bands like AIC, Mudhoney, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, etc...they were all in each other's punk/glam/garage bands in the 80's, auditioned for each other, whatever...not that they were necessarily besties but their circles definitely ran pretty close together.

VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 11 October 2008 23:45 (fifteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

I GOT A BELLY FULL OF OUZO

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

JUST CAUSE YOU GOT IT, KEEP IT OUT OF MY FACE

earlnash, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:18 (four years ago) link


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