rip & burn magazine : RIP

Message Bookmarked

Bookmark Removed

not sure if this has been mentioned here and i cant search due to shortness of keywords etc ..

more detail :

http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/11962.html

i have to say i never bought a copy .. somthing just didn't work for me (thos flames for grading tracks - urgh)

.. but tis a shame another magazine idea hits the wall prior to making it to the one year mark (bang! got to number 12 i seem to recall)

― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't see why it's a shame. It was an abominable magazine launched by a middle-aged editor with clear contempt for his audience - you may remember that piece he did in the Independent on Sunday where he sneered at the "dated" concept of long pieces of writing about music and proclaimed that capsule reviews and star ratings were the future.

The good thing about its demise is that it may prove that cynical dumbing-down has run its course and readers want to read proper magazines about music with proper and informed writing.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, the kind of person who would read 'rip and burn' is probably the kind of person who is already getting their fill from the internet.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I ask only this....

Who would buy a magazine about downloading music?

Wouldn't you rather download the articles if you were so inclined?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought the most recent issue but didn't think much of it.

― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

ach. xpost cuss you ashy harcroft...

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Good riddance, this magazine made Bang look like fuckin' '70s Creem. Paramount among its problems was: there were no words in it. Not one.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

tis a shame - purely cos i know folks who liked to get paid by them !

personally i flicked through it from time to time and never once felt a twinge to actually pay for the thing ..

soz Marcello .. but i dont know the people and the various histories involved so with a lot of these publications so i come from a clean slate take on these things .. but i totally agree re the whole dumbing down aspect ..

― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

WORD still going strong i see - longest word counts of any of the new music mags, so yeah dumbing down = a done deal maybe.

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

it's nice to see writers get paid, but that cannot be a defense of this mag! it really was strikingly bad.

i have read three issues, or parts of issues, of q in my life, twice in 97-8, and once the other day. not that it was ever something i liked, but its new incarnation it wouldn't have held the attention of a goldfish.

dumbing down is real.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The classic Q story: at the first editorial meeting back in 1986, the then editor recited several Morley and Penman reviews and stipulated that that was exactly the kind of writing that Q wanted nothing to do with. We're still feeling the reverberations of that today.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

rip & burn was doomed for failure from day 1:

take the worst elements of late 90s internet mags mixed with mainstream/ establishment music coverage of Q magazine.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Was that mark ellen?

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Indeed it was.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, but mark ellen is a co-founder of word. in fact, word is almost entirely built around the late-80s Q mafia...

― se3_uk (se3_uk), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Did I say anything in favour of Word magazine?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ooooh weeee oooh!

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Did I say anything in favour of Word magazine?"

err, no you didn't. i wasn't trying to refute your argument or anything. just linking your point to piscesboy above.

― se3_uk (se3_uk), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course Q went on to sell by the bucketload, thus proving Ellen's undeniable commercial acumen (I have no time for it beyond Tom Hibbert's old column, but he was certainly astute). Publishing is a business.
Where is Ian Penman now? Working in a bookshop? Living somewhere sunnier? Writing a weblog?

― snotty moore, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I couldn't be happier that Rip 'n Burn has failed. It was balls. Productions values? Design team? Opinion?

Nobody's ever produced a music mag with so little effort behind it, staffed by people who clearly didn't give a toss about music.

Bang - by contrast - was really rather good at first. I was all set for X-Ray to become the new Select but presumably its never coming back now, despite initial reports to the contrary?

Oh, and does anyone else think that while Word was brilliant to start off with it's now becoming a self-satisfied, smug love-in for middle-aged hacks who are far too wrapped up in themselves?

― D.G. Jones (D.G. Jones), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't remember that moment in word's history. was it like the 'singularity' just before the big bang?

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Where is Ian Penman now?

Yeah, I forgot, it's all about money isn't it? That's all that matters, isn't it? Noses in the trough, devil take the hindmost, that's all that counts in this lovely 21st century world of ours.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

word is very very dull. dull writers covering dull music and quite dull from a design perspective, too. x-ray was ATROCIOUS as was everything that came out of the sleaze/jockey slut stable. i'm still holding my breath for a good british magazine.

― stelfox, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

or a good american one, come to that

― stelfox, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

London Review of Music - I've said it before and I'll say it again - there's an open market for it; get Morley and Penman back to doing some decent work, get the cream of ILM/Dissensus contributing; anyone want to put together a business plan?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Word: started great, went off the boil massively, clawed it all right back, now going off the boil again. (Complacency, yes. CDs, ugh. Blair interview, aaargh.)

But then, I learnt to embrace my inner Mark Ellen a long time ago.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"x-ray was ATROCIOUS as was everything that came out of the sleaze/jockey slut stable"

I quite liked Jockey Slut. X-ray was toss though.

― se3_uk (se3_uk), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU ARE NOT A TARGET MARKET.

― elwisty (elwisty), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked X-Ray. Yeah, it was dumb and it was clearly for 'the kids' as in real school-age kids but it was passionate and slipped in bands like Loose Fur or SFA amid the hipster (Raveonettes, Kills &c)fluff.

As I said, it reminded me of Select. I guess there isn't any need for an indie orientated pop-culture mag for teenagers any more.

― D.G. Jones (D.G. Jones), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

fingers crossed that Stool Pigeon stays the course ..

or am i alone in this hope for the future ?

(only checked issue no2. and so far damn impressed)

― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

'Oh, and does anyone else think that while Word was brilliant to start off with it's now becoming a self-satisfied, smug love-in for middle-aged hacks who are far too wrapped up in themselves? "

when was it anything but this?

xpost - sleaze nation and jockey slut were both good. theres no pleasing some people i suppose.

i love stool pigeon....

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I fucking hate all the opera articles in Gramophone.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

LRB depends on significant Arts Council subsidy year in year out. Trying to get money for a music magazine from them would be difficult because I'm sure the music side would rather give money to musicians, while the literature side would rather support people writing about... literature. I'm not unsympathetic to Marcello's suggestion, and I'd like to believe it were possible, but I don't believe it is.

― alext (alext), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Well they do subsidise Resonance.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't see how what marcello is proposing isn't basically 'the wire'. how would the lrm differ?

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

LRofMusic would have personal ads ala Select and Cut magazine.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

What I'm proposing is The Wire of a decade ago, when Mark edited it and it was readable and didn't sneer at pop.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought it once because it was all they had on sale in the cafe on Woking station, except for some manky old Country Life type magazines. It was pretty bad.

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It hasn't improved. Electrelane!!!!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder how Electrelane got on the front cover !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Not!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked the first couple of issues of Word quite a lot: it seemed to narrow its scope very fast. I think the first few Words found lots of Q writers quite excited that they could use "I" again and have opinions, and then that novelty wore off for writers and readers both.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - sleaze nation and jockey slut were both good. theres no pleasing some people i suppose.

two words: chris and blue

― stelfox, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Wot's wrong with Electrelane? Axes is a mighty fine slice of neo-Krautrock with posh vocals. So what if one of the band writes for Wire? It's not like The Wire is the only place they get good reviews after all. This also must be the first time a band who's music has been used in the OC has been featured in the Wire.

Surprised nobody's mentioned Plan B yet. It's getting better with each issue, and while I could do without the strained overwriting of some articles, it's much more accessible and inclusive than Careless Talk by and large. The comics and film sections are really good this issue too. It's good to see a music mag making proper connections to underground film, art, literature etc again. It could do with a bit more irreverence and humour, but maybe that's just a sign of me missing Select.

― Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The comics and film sections are really good this issue too. It's good to see a music mag making proper connections to underground film, art, literature etc again.

the cheque's in the proverbial mail, stew.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

did i not read somewhere round these parts that Plan B is on an hiatus at the moment ? or was it Loose Lips ?

or am i getting my wires crossed.

― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

A London Review of Music might work as a micro-circulation McSweeney's style cultural 'zine with magnificent design and huge attention paid to its aesthetic as an object. Still a vast investment for no return though (i.e. a vanity project probably).

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Loose Lips is on hiatus while Gullick makes strange and dark noises with Bender I think. Plan B is rocking along nicely.

― Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.