ark - caliente (perlon 047)

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geeta tipped me off to this. i THINK i like it. quite a bit. it's (just) a bit different than yr usual perlong output. the house tunes are mixed up with mid/downtempo clickhop (shades of dabrye and prefuse), and there's a quirkiness that would make akufen blush. very thin line between funny & silly and silly & sad...i need to listen more before i'll know where it falls.

― strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 7 May 2005 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

ghetto house parodies and love songs to R2D2 are the only way to go after the astringency of the last villalobos album, i guess

― strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 7 May 2005 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i bet this is going to be good! another album from perlon which is a pretty rare occurence in itself. strng's description makes it sound like an ark record alright. the villalobos album may be astrigent, but it's quite possibly my favorite release of his. i haven't heard an album with a better or more fitting opener yet this year. i don't think i've heard many proper albums though.

― tricky (disco stu), Saturday, 7 May 2005 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

strongo, you know ark's other stuff? it's very him - honestly, his four "alleluyark" singles are all fairly identical, IIRC, though great. he's got mr oizo's sharp 'n' garish thing going on, but really sloppy, like herbert's "never truncate your samples" manifesto bullet point highlighted so many times that yellow ink is staining the table underneath the page. (though on first listen i think caliente may actually be a bit tighter.)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 7 May 2005 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

First people complain about experimental techno's po-faced seriousness, now they bitch about its stabs at light-heartedness. There's just no pleasing some folks...

The Ark album is the shit and I'll be caning it in all future DJ sets until further notice.

― Blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 7 May 2005 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

who's bitching?

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 7 May 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i am. what a load of tuneless crap :\

― geir zaffe (fezaffe), Saturday, 7 May 2005 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"ghetto house parodies and love songs to R2D2 are the only way to go after the astringency of the last villalobos album, i guess"

Sounded like a bitch to me (or at least a damning with faint praise). If not, apologies.

"what a load of tuneless crap"

You don't go to Ark for tunes.

― Blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 7 May 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

btw, samurai.fm is hosting a circus company mix right now, as part of their sonar promotion, that is of obvious interest to any fans of ark et al.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 7 May 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"a bitch"?? there literally IS a love song called "R2D2" ... with jamie lidell singing on it?? or a sound-a-like??

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway, i dunno ... his trankilou eps are pretty immortal and i like the older alleluyark material but i'm not so enthused on this. and i know i said nice things about ddamage in another thread awhile back but this whole french glitch-funk scene seems pretty short on ideas. so why are all the labels rushing to sign these guys? chok rock, ttc, scratch massive, feadz ... what hath prefuse wrought??

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

also i'm shocked they put out an ark album before a cabanne or dimbiman album. i guess it would have been a much more "boring" move (as they have a much more identifiably "perlon" sound) ... but prob not more boring than a latter-day funkstorung rehash.

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

hopefully the upshot of all this is that jackson hurries up and puts out an album.

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but chok rock, TTC, ark, krikor et al all sound pretty different, even if they do share affinities for glitch and funk.

(and yeah, it's lidell in the flesh. or the voice, anyway.)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

what all has jackson put out? all i have is that M83 remix.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

and wait, vahid - you think the ark sounds like a f'storung rehash?

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i know, i know. i'm being *really* bitchy about it. i'll probably come around, seeing as i came around to villalobos album eventually.

but from what i can tell it's like, standard post-funk acid jazz music (a la norman cook's freakpower) + 4/4 beats + **bzzzzFSSSGHHHHSKKrrrrhhKKHHHHRRkkkBBZZZ ...

anyway i *liked* funkstorung so it's not a huge diss or anything. i've still got "appetite for disctruction" and "marion" and "additional productions"...

xpost - some really obscure eps. 90s stuff is like 4/4 housey big beat, but really well done, up there with the best junior carter productions. the 00s stuff more like the m83 remix. prob the best-known track is "radio ca ca" (short mp3 excerpt)

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

drama!

anyway, i wasn't bitching. no, i'm not much of a fan of whimsy in music, but i'm not much of a fan of dessciated-sounding shit* either. there IS a third way, i should hope.

*i did eventually coming around to liking the villalobos. it took for-fucking-ever to crack that forbidding "no hooks allowed" surface, however.

xpost

― strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't care, i'm just surprised - i don't hear any similarities btwn ark (or any of the rest of the french glitchfunk school) and funkstorung (who mostly bored me senseless, after my initial infatuation with them - and i certainly never thought of them as dance music, vs. ark's obvious dancefloor utility). i don't think, so far, that this is as great as a lot of this kind of music that i usually love, but i'm withholding judgement.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, here is my proposed lineage (obv wrong but what the hey):

funkstorung, prefuse ---> harco pront, alex amoon, feadz ---> ttc, ark, chok rock, ddamage ...

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

HARCO PRONT!

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

inneresting but aren't harco pront and feadz more like contemporaries of ark et al? (not sure when TTC and chok rock launched.)

i forget about feadz, he rocks.

i wouldn't leave smith & hack out of the equation either - judging from krikor's new tracks, they're a huge inspiration.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

yes! i have been thinking about MMM (is he smith or hack?) after listening to that "radio ca ca" excerpt ... similar spatialization fetish and all ...

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

coin a name for the genre, philip!!

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

also i'm shocked they put out an ark album before a cabanne or dimbiman album

me too. especially re dimbiman.

there are is some serious floor-filling material on this one though. e.g. "sucubz". when ark's stuff bumps, it really bumps.

seems like most of the issues with this come from the glitchy downtempo stuff, yeah? i, for one, was surprised to hear a track with a preacher on it. someone needs to do a rough guide to house tracks with preacher vocals.

i can hear the funkstorung comparisons, but they took hip hop and went one direction while this goes somewhere entirely else.

anyway, this album is great.

― tricky (disco stu), Saturday, 7 May 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

gah, there is some serious...

― tricky (disco stu), Saturday, 7 May 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

less dessication, crunchy dirt/sweat/grease music for sleazy bars filled with nearly naked, sloppily drunk people. "optimistic yes!!"

― tricky (disco stu), Saturday, 7 May 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

more crunchy. geez.

i recently spotted the hall and oates loop buried in the "temenarc" tracks on the villalobos album which i suppose consitutes a hook.

― tricky (disco stu), Saturday, 7 May 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"less dessication, more crunchy dirt/sweat/grease music for sleazy bars filled with nearly naked, sloppily drunk people. "optimistic yes!!"

On point. I don't get the desiccation diss at all. Ark is straight-up sex music, for fuck's sake.

― Blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 7 May 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i wasn't talking about ark for chrissakes. read one thread.

― strng hlkngtn, Sunday, 8 May 2005 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

love the ark but i really want a morane album. strangely (as i thought perlon was nikolai's label) he seems to have moved to a new label for his new 12".

has anyone heard zip dj as i keep hearing amazing things about his sets but have no more to go on than 'man, that zip was amazing'?

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw him at a beat street after in berlin once - it was good, very good, though i don't really recall much more than that. he played for quite a long while before ricardo went on, maybe 12 noon - 4pm.... oddly, i was sober for that part, so you'd think i would remember more specifics.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Sunday, 8 May 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...

who's bitching?
-- philip sherburne (psherburn...), May 7th, 2005.

i am. what a load of tuneless crap :\

-- geir zaffe (fezaff...), May 7th, 2005.

wtf!? there ARE tunes on this thing
it's fucking great! the agoria and lidell collabs are the shit!
and the rest is from another great place.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

I really want to like this record but something is not quite there. It all sounds good but nothing grabs me.

― Baby BobO (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 July 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

I really like it but I have to be in the mood for it.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 1 July 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

I do like it but I don't think I love it.

I wish it was sequenced more effectively, and meandered a little less mid-song often.

Cue "all dance albums ever never work only buy 12"s you poxy fule etc" comments.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 September 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

How did everyone take offense at fezaffe's comment that he posted as "geir zaffe?" Best joke ever!

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 1 September 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

I slept on this in the spring, but am liking it now

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

I slept on this in the spring, but am liking it now

this put me to sleep when i heard in the winter, but now that spring is here, i like it quite a bit.

― lf (lfam), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:58 (twenty years ago)

i plan on playing it out...er, outside.

― lf (lfam), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:00 (twenty years ago)

eighteen years pass...

getting into Arkpocalypse Now after a random YouTube recommendation, really great.

― default damager (lukas), Friday, 19 July 2024 19:45 (one year ago)

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