Steely Dan "Doctor Wu" - Discuss amongst yourselves

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I love it, but WTF is going on in the lyrics of this song?

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahah, this wasn't because I just invoked it over on the ILE thread, was it?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

definitely in my steely dan POX. i'll get back to you about the lyrics.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, no, I didn't see your post...

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I love it, but WTF is going on in the lyrics of this song?

I think it's called "genuis"

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Unlike most pop songwriters, Fagen and Becker shy away from romantic themes. When they do write love songs, they look for a new angle. They like to describe the contortions of a relationship subjected to an outside stress. Doctor Wu, the lead track on the album Katy Lied, is a love song with the foggy feel of an opium dream. Because the song is dotted with pronouns lacking clear antecedents, its meaning is hard to track down. "I know its a dope song, but it's still very cryptic as to quite precisely what is going on," was [William S.] Burroughs' comment on first hearing Doctor Wu. As Fagen points out, the theme is characteristic of Steely Dan. "Doctor Wu is about a triangle, kind of a love-dope triangle," he says. "I think usually when we do write songs of a romantic nature, one or more of the participants in the alliance will come under the influence of someone else or some other way of life and that will usually end up in either some sort of compromise or a split. Okay, in this song the girl meets somebody who leads another kind of life and she's attracted to it. Then she comes under the domination of someone else and that results in the ending of the relationship or some amending of the relationship. When we start writing songs like that, that's the way it usually goes." In Doctor Wu, the "someone else" is a dope habit personified as Doctor Wu. In Haitian Divorce, it's a hotel gigolo. The details of Rikki Don't Lose That Number and Through With Buzz are vaguer, but the pattern is the same.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, no, I didn't see your post...

Literally a minute before you started this thread I interpolated Dr. C's name into the "Dr. Wu" chorus on a thread about Kate's new band. GREAT MINDS etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

It always reminded me of the Beatles' "Dr Robert" - a pharmaceutial, er, guru. Great tune: love the line about Cuban generals living on Biscayne Bay (a true-to-life detail) and "all night long, we would sing that stupid song."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice!

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

that stupid song = dylan's "visions of johanna," i believe

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

that stupid song = dylan's "visions of johanna," i believe
Right, I picked that up from JBR's awesome SD thread from awhile ago, but it only adds to my confusion, because wasn't that during their Bard days? This song travels through both personas AND time. Unless it is set in their early days.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"O, the things we've seen and heard! -- an Arp synthesizer burning in the courtyard of a West Hollywood sound stage -- the thunder of a DeTomaso Pantera parked beneath the echo chambers of Studio C -- the mighty room-service bill from the Beverly Wilshire hotel, reflecting the cost of the joyful reunion of Mr. Phil Woods and 200 of his closest L.A. studio/jazz-musician pallies . . . "

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Those liner notes need to be anthologized. They're almost as good as the songs.

Keith C (kcraw916), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of the best mail I ever opened.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 9 May 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Doctor Wu, the lead track on the album Katy Lied

Isn't the lead track "Black Friday"? Anyway, not in my top 10 of Dan tunes. I think it's about dope.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 May 2005 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

you're right, the lead track is "black friday." i didn't notice that!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 May 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost:
Is it? I wouldn't be surprised. I know that "Through With Buzz" is.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 9 May 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

It seems to me like the character of Doctor Wu is both a dealer and a personification of the drug itself. So "Are you with me Doctor Wu" is kind of like the addict wondering if the sense of security he feels while high is real or not.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 May 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the cover by the minutemen is great

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Monday, 9 May 2005 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, I picked that up from JBR's awesome SD thread from awhile ago, but it only adds to my confusion, because wasn't that during their Bard days?

"'The guy who mixed our monitors was interesting too', said [Jeff] Baxter. 'He would set up the monitors so he could hear real well, and he'd get a nice sound that he liked and take out his violin and play with us throughout the set. Everything was really shaky.' The violin-playing monitor mixer was named Jim Jacobs and he had a habit of incessantly playing a tape of Bob Dylan's 'Visions of Johanna' through Steely Dan's sound system before gigs, a custom Becker and Fagen would refer to in 'Doctor Wu', one of the songs on Katy Lied. 'All night long/We would sing that stupid song' referred to Dylan's 'Visions of Johanna'."

p.66, Steely Dan: Reelin' in the Years by Brian Sweet.

cindy margolis holocaust (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

the cover by the minutemen is great

yea, i didn't even know it was a Steely Dan cover until a week ago. I only have Pretzel Logic..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

read one liner notes.
and buy katy lied, and can't buy a thrill, and countdown to ecstasy.
and then buy more.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

read one liner notes? wha?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I went to high school in Miami with a kid whose last name was Wu -- and his dad was THE DOCTOR WU! -- I swear it -- anyway, that's really the extent of the story. Apparently his Dad was not some dope dealing doctor at all, but he did treat the dude, and that's all I know! (i.e. nothing).

Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

At my last job I had to phone a Doctor Hu (pronounced "Doctor Who"). I can't begin to tell you how much this excited me.

cindy margolis holocaust (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

this is one of the greatest songs i know. it's quite moving.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 06:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i couldn't begin to do this song justice, but there's something in the chords/vocal harmonies/instrumentation/song structure that recalls prerock pop without sounding like a pastiche; the lyrics too seem to evoke some bygone bohemia (this is true of lots of SD lyrics).

it's not as though SD are "exposing the depravity behind the gilded curtain of 50s normalcy" or something--they make a strong case for depravity being quite normal itself and an apt subject for wan-eyed nostalgia.

also yeah there's some kind of cryptic love song going on here too.

ok i'll give up.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Some fine readin' here, folks!
Now, who can explain "Brooklyn Owes The Charmer Under Me"?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It's their tribute to Coney Island, in the form of a day in the life of a snake charmer.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"doctor wu" always merges in my brain with "everyone's gone to the movies"... there's something similar about their particular mixture of musical nostalgia and perverse normalcy/normal perversity..... both songs are also really pretty.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I really, really, really prefer the demo version of "Everyone's Gone" that appears in the box set to the album version, though.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like that speeded up version of Wu that Chaki put on his 'Back to Mine' mix.
Anyway, great song, although as with many SD songs, it took me a while to reconcile the melody of the chorus with that of the verses.

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

How 'bout that "Your Gold Teeth II"?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, great song, although as with many SD songs, it took me a while to reconcile the melody of the chorus with that of the verses.
-- Baaderonixxxorzh

"Bad Sneakers" is a good example of this.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

Am I the only person who interprets the chorus of this song as the protagonist's pusher OD-ing after his affair w/Katy is revealed?

Katy tried
I was halfway crucified
I was on the other side
Of no tomorrow
You walked in
And my life began again
Just when I'd spent the last piaster
I could borrow
All night long
We would sing that stupid song
And every word we sang
I knew was true
Are you with me Doctor Wu
Are you really just a shadow
Of the man that I once knew
Are you crazy are you high
Or just an ordinary guy
Have you done all you can do
Are you with me Doctor

Don't seem right
I've been strung out here all night
I've been waiting for the taste
You said you'd bring to me
Biscayne Bay
Where the Cuban gentlemen sleep all day
I went searching for the song
You used to sing to me
Katy lies
You could see it in her eyes
But imagine my surprise
When I saw you

Are you with me Doctor Wu
Are you really just a shadow
Of the man that I once knew
She is lovely yes she's sly
And you're an ordinary guy
Has she finally got to you
Can you hear me Doctor

What a great song.

darin, Monday, 21 May 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of weird lyrics from "Katy Lied", any ideas on "Everyone's Gone To The Movies"? Is it seen from the viewpoint of a child molester? At least it may be interpreted that way:

EVERYONE'S GONE TO THE MOVIES

Kids if you want some fun
Mr. LaPage is your man
He's always laughing, having fun
Showing his films in the den
Come on, come on
Soon you will be eighteen
I think you know what I mean
Don't tell your mama
Your daddy or mama
They'll never know where you been
CHORUS:
Everyone's gone to the movies
Now we're alone at last

Listen to what I say
He wants to show you the way
Right down the hallway with open arms
To teach you a new game to play
Come on, come on
Soon it will be too late
Bobbing for apples can wait
We know you're used to sixteen or more
Sorry we only have eight

CHORUS

Kids if you want some fun
See what you never have seen
Take off your cheaters and sit right down
Start the projection machine

CHORUS

Geir Hongro, Monday, 21 May 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

YES IT IS

chaki, Monday, 21 May 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

that one's pretty damn obvious ... though the constant shifting back and forth between first and third person is kinda weird and unsettling.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 21 May 2007 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if he's supposed to be an out and out kiddy fiddler so much as a corrupter of youth, or enlightener of youth depending on the narrator's perspective.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 21 May 2007 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

I was just listening to this in the bathroom at work today. It's like it's almost about drugs.

calstars, Monday, 21 May 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

the lyrics too seem to evoke some bygone bohemia (this is true of lots of SD lyrics)

Amateur(ist) very much otm here

will, Monday, 21 May 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

Doctor Wu is one of my favorite SD songs!

The lyrics never made much sense to me, but reading them right now it seems pretty obvious that he had some kind of break up with that lying Katy and hit rock bottom until Doctor Wu showed up with an opium cure for his sorrows.

I'd love to perform a karaoke version of this song, too bad it isn't one of their more popular ones.

Moodles, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

Doctor Wu could be a dope peddler, dope itself or just that "friend" that appears in your life when you're desperate enough to befriend anyone. OTOH, the last section (with the Doctor getting involved with Katy) is more perplexing.

I've said it before, but like quite a few SD songs, I love the melody of the verses but can't reconcile the chorus with that melody.

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 07:58 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

She is lovely yes she's sly
And you're an ordinary guy
Has she finally got to you

saddest steely dan lyrics ever. and with those changes underneath them, they're almost unbearable.

Suggesteban Buttez (jabba hands), Sunday, 14 December 2008 12:38 (seventeen years ago)

http://muttscomics.com/cast/images/drwoo/drwoo.gif

Hideous Lump, Sunday, 14 December 2008 21:29 (seventeen years ago)


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