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I just can't Bush saying "Yeah we're post-grunge."

Or even any of the post-punk bands claiming to be that, for that matter.

― Giants Explosion World Tour, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

lot of emo bands that get pissed if they're called that.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Goth
Electroclash

― Seb (Seb), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

folk

― b b, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Nu Metal

― Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Peter Murphy - Goth

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Jazz (especially if they're a.g. or beat-oriented)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

soft rock

― cindy margolis holocaust (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Every genre, equally. All musicians hate being genre-ized. It's all just music, man. Duke Ellington said there's only two kinds of music blah blah blah they're trying to stick you into a box blah blah blah...

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark OTM

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

"Oh, we're not really douchebaggery, we're sort of, um, post-douchebaggery."

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never heard any of the universally-acknowledged "Goth" bands (the Sisters, the Mission, Bauhaus, Siouxsie, the Cure, the Nephs, etc.) EVER not shudder at the term. It was always a derisive term.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of Metal and Hip-Hop bands are very proud of their genres

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

They are like the romance and crime novels of the music world. What's sci-fi?

― Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

What is the essential difference between "say it loud" genres (metal, hip-hop, funk, classical) and the secret-shame ones (goth, punk, nu-metal, disco)?

― brianiac (briania), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

te shameful tags get applied to things that are a bit more than the medal of honor genres, even if theyre doing less work of worth.

― b b, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

My DJ friend Randy, circa '83: "Stop calling it disco. It's dance music!"
Guy walking up and clapping Randy on the back in a restaurant: "Randy, my MAN! You the disco KING!"

― brianiac (briania), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Bubblegum pop.

― Roz, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I seem to remember reading that 'Jazz' was a dismissive term to begin with. Just like punk, goth . .

― Soukesian, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You could look a long, long time before finding an artist that self-identifies as "new wave".

― brianiac (briania), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Dadrock
Schlock/Schmaltz
Hair Metal
MOR
Pap

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

What is the essential difference between "say it loud" genres (metal, hip-hop, funk, classical) and the secret-shame ones (goth, punk, nu-metal, disco)?

I'd think punk would go in the former category. Aren't there always arguments about who's "truly punk?"

― The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely. It seems like bands are dying to be labeled as punk. Look at Green Day. Fifteen minutes of their Behind the Music was devoted to whether or not they were punks.

― Roadkill Bingo (Roadkill Bingo), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

TRIP HOP

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

aren't people proud to be disco now?

― cindy margolis holocaust (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

IDM

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

it sounds like a lot of the 'shameful' genre labels mentioned are ones that the -fans- of those genres feel no compunctions at all against using (even when the artists are horrified about it). even, it seems, when the terms can be used by non-fans as terms of derision ('emo'). is that so? why?

is there a connection between worries about purity (i'm not sure why i say that rather than 'authenticity', but it seems better) and comfort with self-identifying by a genre? i.e. is is that people hurry to identify as punk, metal, etc., to affirm the purity of their music?

is there a difference among the 'shameful' labels mentioned (trip-hop, idm, goth, disco, jazz? folk??) between genres given some kind of definition in reaction (like trip-hop, idm, where they're often construed by fans as some kind of superior alternative to a different genre on which they are heavily dependent) by fans, and genres like, say, disco, where supposedly purity is no concern? (so i've heard; i don't know if that's true.)

'jazz' and 'folk' strike me as unusual compared to some of the others; they're associated with critical and rhetorical (as in, the things people say about them to move minds) ideas predating rock, so the motivations for claiming or not claiming them seem different. a lot of the genres mentioned in this thread have a hard time not being classed under 'rock' in the critical long view, though, which is surely important. (it being the genre-word to enjoy predominance in explanations, cultural stories, cultural capital.)

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

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