I like DJ Z-Trip . Who else should I look for?

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Mu friend gave me a set of his a few days ago. Since then I have been downloading his sets and enjoying them alot. Who else should I search for?

scott (jscott), Thursday, 12 May 2005 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ Zeph.

Lyrics Born

Azeem

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 12 May 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact I was coming here to start a thread about how I've been playing the track "Take Two Copies" featuring Bus Driver on loop for about a half hour now. This may go on for a full hour, too.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 12 May 2005 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Z-Trip with Bus Driver "Take Two Copies"

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 12 May 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, that song is cool as shit. Who is Bus Driver?

scott (jscott), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that he needs a resume. That was pretty good introduction.

scott (jscott), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Busdriver's a sick west coaster who rhymes crazy fast and occasionally runs with Shapeshifters and Mush guys.

RIYL Z-Trip:
DJ P
DJ Jester The Filipino Fist

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I just dont get what Z-Trip is trying to do with his music. He and his associates constantly rap about DJ's and DJ culture ("Listen to the DJ" etc as track names), but their music isnt anything you'd ever dance to. It's headphone rap whether they like it or not. The only people who'd move to this "Take Two Copies" track are other record-collectors who came to see him play in concert - if you dropped it into a set at a regular club it would clear the floor. I mean, it has an ok rhythm, but it has no BOUNCE.

DougD (DougD), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Is a regular club though the be all end all?

(I have no idea what he is trying to do with his music with that said. I love his mixes. It is what the radio station in my mind kinda sounds like.)

scott (jscott), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Bounce is way the fuck overrated.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

He's a pretentious git. He has this big war with bastard pop kids because they don't have "turntable skills." The whole thing was pretty funny when he said it in press, but he did an interview on the radio and a bootlegger who happened to work there called him on it during.

But yeah, he's totally a backpacker headnodder. No dancing allowed.

Xii (Xii), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd dance to it, but I also have this wacky idea that it's okay for music to sound great, it doesn't neccesarily have to pack a dance floor to be exciting and wonderful.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 12 May 2005 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

...SIMPLY sound great...

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 12 May 2005 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish radio stations in my area had these interviews.

scott (jscott), Thursday, 12 May 2005 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Z-Trip wins the argument though.

scott (jscott), Thursday, 12 May 2005 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I never said it didn't sound great or that all music needs to pack a dancefloor. I like and enjoy listening to his stuff. However, as expressed through the music he produces, his relationship to DJing seems about finesse more than function, almost like how Steve Vai, Satriani etc regard guitar playing. And his comments in that newspaper article Xii linked to are just gross, basically along the lines of "the kids shouldn't be out there doing mashups, because they have no idea about hard-earned DJ technique! Do you people even recognize a crab scratch?!"

DougD (DougD), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:00 (twenty-one years ago)

*yawn*

()ops (()()ps), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I've only heard a few things from Z Trip, but you should check out Mr. Dibbs "Turntable Scientifics". (it's not at all clinical, as the title would imply)

()ops (()()ps), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Z-Trip wins the argument though.

Ben got cut off for time constraints and Z-Trip did a lot of backtracking during the interview. I don't think anyone won and I think there's a lot of dialogue that needs to happen in regards to that.

The followup commentary on Ben's site is worth a laugh:
"Why couldn't he be more like DJ Shadow, whose easygoing attitude extends to making mixes of Keane and Radiohead (using computers, I bet?) as well as being a blindingly great turntablist. Perhaps it's because Z-Trip has made a career out of playing AC/DC records for crowds full of frat boys, and is starting to feel a little insecure?"

Xii (Xii), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck. Thats why I like him so much. He is playing AC/DC records. (Actually, my friend sold him to me saying he play's Iron Maiden. I'm still looking for that mix. --Isn't that the crux of the interviews? Mix vs. mash up? They are the same things, right?--)

scott (jscott), Thursday, 12 May 2005 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Z-Trip's asserting that they're different, production-based bootlegging of that sort is lesser because it wasn't done live with records. Which is funny, since he also calls himself King Of The Mash-Ups or something.

Xii (Xii), Thursday, 12 May 2005 07:07 (twenty-one years ago)

The whole thing's sort of Rockism, part deux. Which is funnier for the rockist position in this argument being one of playing other people's music exclusively, and the non-rockist being one with more original components.

Xii (Xii), Thursday, 12 May 2005 07:09 (twenty-one years ago)

One is screaming "I use only vinyl!" The other is screaming "I use a computer!"'

It really does not matter, does it?

scott (jscott), Thursday, 12 May 2005 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

No. But I think the difference is that one is screaming "I only use vinyl and anyone who doesn't is a poseur!" and the other is screaming "Who cares what you use if the music's good!"

That's the gist of the whole thing. Vinyl's cool, computers are cool. When they team up, magic happens.

Xii (Xii), Thursday, 12 May 2005 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i have a live mixtape of his .. (Live LA - 2003)

while i love the grooves and mash stuff he rips up,

i just wish he'd shut the fuck up ..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 12 May 2005 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, to be fair, I'm guessing Scott's asking his question based on the new album which has a slew of guest rappers on it... and isn't like Z's old mix tapes.

I respect Z-trip for being one of the first live mashers in that context. If he wants to sound like a cranky old man about how current mash up artists are hacks or aren't "keepin' it real" or whatever, that's his filter of choice in which he wishes to view the world. let him be.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

ooo. i should qualify my statement.

i meant 'shut up' during the mix i have !

he rants on over the beats constantly .. which becomes somewhat annoying as i just wanna hear the cuts .. whcih on the whole are mighty fine.

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 12 May 2005 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

He was damn fine on the tables when I saw him a few years back. Dancing allowed.

The Irrelevant Man (Negativa) (Barima), Thursday, 12 May 2005 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

No, no, no. Please, I am an idiot, yes. But I know the difference between a dj set and an album. "Live in LA 2003" that mark e thinks has too much talking is the set that set off my question. That is what I am looking for; all types of music, mixed together, in one pretty package. Difference of opinon on how it is served? Value add.

scott (jscott), Thursday, 12 May 2005 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I also have this crazy idea that I can ignore an artist's bigmouthed bullshit and other personal flaws if he/she/they keep making records that sound great.

see: Miles Davis, Frank Sinatra, James Brown, Charles Mingus, shit, you name it.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

This argument about Z-Trip being a rockist is kinda funny because a lot turntabalists consider him to be too gimmicky. And if you've ever been to a Z-Trip show then you know that his whole steez is abandoning the wankery of turntablism to focus on moving the crowd. Maybe he was copping a cranky old-man pose with his shit talking, but he's also (at least partially) right: the mash-up market is saturated with a lot of talentless "producers," and listening to Z-Trip mash up Led Zepplin and Etta James at a live concert is a 1000X more fun than downloading a mash-up mps from some hopeless, acne-faced fuck in Ohio.

s>c>, Thursday, 12 May 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

He's a turntablist. There's a lot of the cultural sphere that doesn't make a distinction between "guy who does scratching and does crazy mixing technique" and "guy who plays out records." Both are commonly called DJs. Z-Trip has gotten into shit because he's pissed at people who who put together mash-ups (or just play them) and are getting the same acclaim that he is as a live performer.

That said, the majority of the population can't tell the difference between doing a live blend and playing out a mash-up and turntablism is beardy as hell. This entire "respect the artform" and "I respect you as an artist" thing on that radio show is funny. I would imagine Z-Trip doesn't especially have a lot of respect for DJs who just play out records and do minimal crossfading either -- it's just not his thing. The radio guy, on the other hand, is mostly likely doing that exact thing most of the time.

mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 12 May 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

but he's also (at least partially) right: the mash-up market is saturated with a lot of talentless "producers,"

Well, what music genre isn't saturated with a lot of talentless, well, talent? Some DJs/turntablists may be virtuosos. Some guitarists can be great soloists. But what's the end product? Good? Bad? Same ratio for any type of music, really. Is it because of the solos themselves? Depends on the listener.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

And while soloists (whether it's on guitar, bass, drums, scratching, yodelling, whatever) have a singular music talent that's better than what most of the population have, if what they contribute to anything released isn't liked by a lot of people, people aren't going to be convinced to like it just because they "know how to play".. if that makes any sense.

This isn't specific to Z-trip. I think half of the employees at the Guitar Center nearest you know "how to play instruments better" than anyone in, say, LCD Soundsystem. But most of them are still going to end up playing in places no bigger than their local tavern.

The music industry doesn't reward virtuosos as much as they used to. Some folks who are skilled musicians still have a bitter attitude about this. I'm not singling out Z-trip in this case. This applies to almost everybody. Why isn't good songwriting or orchestration seen as anything more than "auteurism" rather than being a "song arrangement virtuoso"? Probably because you can't be dared to prove your talent when thrown your tools, and show it off that second, that's why. People are still attached to wanting to see "immediate" talent. That's not going to change any time soon. But Guitar Center employees aren't going to become major rock stars with their "awesome" blues bands anytime soon either.

OK I'm rambling.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry. "Why isn't good songwriting or orchestration seen as anything more than 'auteurism' rather than being the art of being a 'song arrangement virtuoso'?"

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

And I'm not saying mash-up artists are automatically "song arrangement virtuosos" obviously.. but anyway..

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, what music genre isn't saturated with a lot of talentless, well, talent? Some DJs/turntablists may be virtuosos. Some guitarists can be great soloists. But what's the end product? Good? Bad? Same ratio for any type of music, really. Is it because of the solos themselves? Depends on the listener.

But it's more about resentment, isn't it? Or just wanting to take someone down a peg who thinks they're the shit. I don't think anyone would have a problem with "talentless producers" if they would cop to being talentless producers, but more often than not (or, at least, that's the assumption) they carry a big head around with them. You see the same thing in other artforms.

()ops (()()ps), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, if someone takes years and years from his/her life to be REALLY good at one thing, whether it's art, writing, business, or whatever, can you really blame him/her for being big-headed about it?

If someone were to just claim that my career as a software engineer taught me nothing, and allowed me no skills to transfer to other areas, I'd fucking defend myself too!

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The radio guy, on the other hand, is mostly likely doing that exact thing most of the time.

He does a 30 minute continuous mix of original mashups, some by other people, and just plain songs during drivetime.

But good try.

Xii (Xii), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, if someone takes years and years from his/her life to be REALLY good at one thing, whether it's art, writing, business, or whatever, can you really blame him/her for being big-headed about it?

Sure. Humility should be something that comes with experience. I think that developing a skill like that should teach you both how difficult and humbling it can be, but also that anyone could do it given time, a small amount of natural ability, drive, and will. But it doesn't raise you up above anyone - everyone has a talent, something they're good at. And some people are just naturally inclined to dabble. That doesn't make them less.

Specialization shouldn't stifle broad vision.

Of course, I don't really go in for the beardy thing in the first place. Age or skill doesn't demand respect, action and attitude does.

Xii (Xii), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, if someone takes years and years from his/her life to be REALLY good at one thing, whether it's art, writing, business, or whatever, can you really blame him/her for being big-headed about it?

are you for real??

()ops (()()ps), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I am being rhetorical, ()ops. No worries. :) I'm the most hackity of the hacks out there.

But I'm playing Virtuoso's Advocate for a reason.

Xii pretty much nailed it with a great refutation already, though.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously though, I don't want the I'm-very-skilled-in-one-thing-and-all-these-"hacks"-are-getting-all-the-press point of view to die. I do wish it were restructured more, well, constructively.. as opposed to just comprising of bitterness disguised as authenticity.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, returning to the ostensible subject of the thread, you might search up some Rob Sonic as well. He's not a masher, but he's a Defjukie and has a rockish sound to his production.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Xii very OTM
as is db there

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ Radar was with Z-Trip in the Bombshelter DJs, he might be worth seeking out. Also, a Coldcut/Shorkut mix was a lot more scratch-based, but pretty decent.

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

that Z-Trip & Radar live cd is the best party mix cd ever.

Amon (eman), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

the newly posted obama mix is very good.

mark e, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:08 (seventeen years ago)


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