is English indie guitar rock currently the worst music in the world?

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Possibly the very worst of the worst and proof that even memorable & structured songs can sometimes be worse than simply mediocre ones.

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I am tired of people dismissing FASD, of not being believed.

I am tired of watching helplessly as FASD destroys my family because I cannot get understanding or support from the "professionals" in my immediate environment.

I am tired of the frustration that I entrusted the care of my son to a group home agency that turned out to be incompetent and uncaring.

I am tired of trying to rescue my son, who is shacked up with a 40 year old woman, former employee of the group home who figured she knew my son better than I do, and no one can or will do anything about it.

I am tired of the heartbreak that is overwhelming every time my son phones me to ask for my help doing something I had already set up for him. For example, he calls and asks me how he can get his high school education by himself by homeschooling. He cannot even give me his mailing address and yet asks me to mail things to him. He asks me how to apply for a social insurance number even though he has no address to put on the application form.

I am tired of the grief, frustration and despair of feeling like I have an 8 year old son out there in the world, lost and all alone and not a clue of how the world works. He has plans and desires and goals without a clue on how to reach them and expects me to make it happen for him from 1500 miles away. It is so sad!

I am tired of spending countless hours educating and training prospective respite providers only to have them quit.

I am tired of my family paying a huge price all because of alcohol!

I am tired of the struggle!

Positives in my life - today I don't have the energy to dig that deep to try and find them! I am too exhausted, suffering from battle fatigue with no hope for a break in action.

No opinion is globally valid. We all know that. But as a side-not: I think places such as internet forums would profit if people for a second made an effort to try and think broader and construct thoughts that go beyond: me likes, me does not like. I think whole history of art is also about asking things like: why is it the way it is? why isn't it any other way? how does the other work compare to this onw from this point of view, that one and another?
We'll never create an objective stance and personal reception is what's fun in music, and perhaps most important, but saying that's the only way to think about music is sometimes boring.

Now let us hate.

*which maybe a pretty good description of UK indie rock, actually!

Can we trade memories?

Uh, excepting the opinion that no opinion is globally valid, I presume?

And English indie guitar rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American indie guitar rock.

obviously there will be exceptions to the original statement, but really, what's the defining characteristic of guitar rock? for the record, i havent heard any of the bands whos album covers grace this thread...

here is the truth.
close this thread, now.

R&B is clearly worse than rap, but Geir thinks so for nonsense reasons...

nah, there's always scouse house ;P
still in england though innit?
hmm...

Probably because it is currently even more dominant. They are both bad for the same reasons anyway.

cue DJ Shadow's "Why hip hop sucks in '96"

Hey Ned, don't you have some of Billy Corgan's poetry to read us?

OOH! OOH! I KNOW!

But the NME says it's back!

http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=1&p=13182&title=why_it_s_time_to_get_excited_about_guita&more=1&c=1

Again!

Like before!

Currently doing the rounds on facebook. Apparently it's from the latest issue of Q

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Kurt Cobain died in 94 so obviously they needed anew saviour, innit?

Who was he referencing with the whole "shirt off playing the flute" business?

Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull?

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There's some real desperation in the way in which some publications seem to be willing this Gallagher album to be good. Like when the Beady Eye album came out everyone just pointed and laughed, which was really the appropriate response, but the weird sense of reverence and hype this time round is... unbecoming to say the least.

we are on the verge of a sexxxy flute super group

xp

Didnt Eat Static do that? the ozric tentacles dance spin off. they played in the dance tent before Underworld in 1995 at t in the park and it was incredibly shit. Unlike Underworld who were amazing.

The Shamen (with rat scabies) headlined that day.

UK "indie guitar rock" or whatever you want to call it has been dead for close to a decade, the post-Arctic Monkeys period of every woeful guitar band in the country getting a record deal and making the front cover of the Conor McNicholas-led NME finished the whole thing off completely and took the NME with it.

Put it this way, if there actually were new, current bands in the UK that were of the calibre of Blur, Suede, Pulp etc. in their prime - and in a way I'm kinda sad that there isn't - then the NME wouldn't have went down the toilet so spectacularly. But there aren't. Fucking hell, there isn't even a band around that's of the calibre of first album-era Bloc Party. There's about a zillion Oasis/Weller copycats around, but fucking hell if that's the very last thing anyone wants.

Could say the same thing about dance music though. A big error with that silly little item is it thinks Oasis was part of an anti-dance music thing which is untrue. If britpop was supposed to be oppositional in some way it would be to grunge/US bands.

Sonny Sharrock was apparently with Mann for 8 years or something. Similar. That live set that came out last year was really tasty.
Included live reworkings of stuff off teh first couple of solo Sharrock lps too.

Only dance act I can recall trashing a guitar on a magazine cover was LFO on the NME, which was clearly tongue in cheek rather than any genuine act of cultural cleansing. Was there really a spate of these covers?

I mentioned on the other thread that the KLF did it in Sounds.

Yeah, Oasis were never anti-dance music. They had The Prodigy supporting 'em at Knebworth and Gallagher guested on a couple of Chemical Brothers singles, and I remember reading an interview with Noel Gallagher where he was talking about the aborted recordings with The Future Sound of London/Amorphous Androgynous and how much it blew his mind when he realised that they were also responsible for Stakker Humanoid.

Returning to the UK after a long time abroad I've encountered quite a few people who grew up as indie types in the mid-2000s and I just sort of feel a bit sorry for them. What a life to have the last dregs of the indie pint of carling as the defining music of your era.

There's still a few things that I like from that 2002-2005 post-Strokes/pre-Arctic Monkeys period, actually. I still think that Bloc Party's Silent Alarm is a very good record, and have more time for the rest of the stuff they recorded with the original line-up than most. I liked the albums that Muse were making at the time, particularly Absolution and Black Holes & Revelations. I still quite like the first two Maximo Park albums, even if the quality of their output slid downhill incredibly quickly afterwards. The first Franz Ferdinand album is (IMO) still a classic, and they've put out a couple of underrated records since, and even though I hated them at the time, I'll admit that the first Libertines album sounds better to me now than it did back then when Doherty's smacked-up visage seemed to be fucking everywhere.

I never liked The Killers (apart from a couple of singles) or Kaiser Chiefs (apart from 'Love's Not a Competition (But I'm Winning)' but there y'go.

After the success of the first Arctic Monkeys album (which I still think is an overhyped, overrated heap of shit) it was like record labels just decided to throw any kind of quality control out of the window and sign anything: The Pigeon Detectives, The Wombats, Kate Nash, The Others, The Paddingtons, The Kooks, The Duke Spirit, Editors, Hard-Fi, Scouting For Girls and so on and so forth. It ran UK "indie guitar rock" directly into the ground and it's never recovered since.

(Yes, I know The Killers weren't from the UK - but they were a prominent band at the time.)

the killers are AMERICAN, dammit and that first album rules hard

lol xp

kings of leon is another honorary britrock group i guess, they are/were humongous over there right?

Kings of Leon were pretty much indie music press darlings for their first couple of records, but I started to notice them start to get much bigger circa Because of the Times - and of course, by Only by the Night and 'Sex on Fire' they were huge - it wasn't to last though, by the following record their popularity fell straight off the cliff. I never liked them.

I thought The Killers had a couple of great tracks, particularly 'Jenny Was a Friend of Mine' and 'Mr. Brightside', but I didn't rate the album highly and like pretty much most people I was done with them by the time of the second record.

Haha, the Killers. Fuck them. Haha.

I remember hearing 'Human' playing over the speakers while out shopping at some supermarket somewhere and thinking "christ, that's what became of 'em?"

If we're going to start talking about American bands of the period that I still like, then the Yeah Yeah Yeahs first three albums still do it for me. I don't think they made a not-so-great album until Mosquito.