White music that a lot of black people like vs. black music that a lot of white people like

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Inspired by the "blacks don't like the doors" thread or whatever it was. I'm just wondering if there's a common thread among the white music that tends to be more popular in the black community, and vice versa. One thing I seem to notice is that a lot of the white bands that tend to do this tend to be very tight musically - Average White Band, Steely Dan, the Bee Gees, Queen's crossover hit (Another One Bites the Dust), etc. But I also noticed that a lot of them have singers that are very stereotypically "white" sounding. I'd also guess that the black music that tends to be most popular with white people tends to fit certain preconceived ideas of black autheniticity -- from stax soul all the way to hardcore rap. I'm sure there are counter-examples though -- Michael Jackson maybe, or Stevie Wonder.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

*groan*

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

210 new answers by morning?

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

if you wanna venn diagram this out, the amount of white music that only white ppl like, and the amount of black music that only black ppl like, added together, is MUCH smaller than the 2 categories than you've set up.

ie black/white music that white/black ppl like = pop music innit, regardless of all the racial politix going on otherwise.

xpost haha yeah well this is my 1 post and then NO MORE.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't believe you!

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

what Donut said

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

White music that a lot of black people like vs. black music that a lot of white people like

...that do boys like they're girls that do girls like they're boys

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(I mean, I third the *groan* comment but I refuse to let a chance like that go by)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

grown

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Grpwned?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

groin

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

gin

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Drunk

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Genuwhine

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ride my grpwny

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Sounds like something a Welsh person would say.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/pwn.jpg

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

BLACK PEOPLE BE SHOPPIN

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 20 May 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't groan this shit!
Answer the damn question you pc white motherF***ers!
You cheer on the ignorance of black pop music but as soon as someone
asks a question that refers to black people you put on your white gloves and vomit that such a question could be asked!

― hue, Friday, 20 May 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

but the vague generalizations that the question takes as given are stupid and innacurate.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 20 May 2005 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I won't answer this question until the following terms are clearly defined: "black community", "black music", "white music", "white people" (ie, never).

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 20 May 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm really happy you put stars on "motherfuckers", otherwise, I wouldn't have taken you seriously.

Oh shit! oops, I meant Oh s***!

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 20 May 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP YOU YOUNG RAPSCALLION.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I've noticed that lots of white people seem to dig dido, and also bad brains, and also lonnie donegan and eric clapton and also p-funk and also outkast and eminiem, which is weird.

because none of them are your typical black crossover artists.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 20 May 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.thatwall.com/images/1000105%20Spatial%20Illusion%202%20Grid%20in%20Black%20and%20White_tn.jpg http://www.thatwall.com/images/1000105%20Spatial%20Illusion%202%20Grid%20in%20Black%20and%20White_tn.jpg http://www.thatwall.com/images/1000105%20Spatial%20Illusion%202%20Grid%20in%20Black%20and%20White_tn.jpg http://www.thatwall.com/images/1000105%20Spatial%20Illusion%202%20Grid%20in%20Black%20and%20White_tn.jpg

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 20 May 2005 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

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― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 20 May 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/images/amsler_grid.gif

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 20 May 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

well, my old man's a dustman, so I gotta big up the skiffle

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Saturday, 21 May 2005 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever, this is a totally answerable question. THE GLOVES ARE OFF!!!!

Most of the white dudes I know who are really into 'black' music like one record a whole, whole lot: it is called "It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back."

Other white dudes I know really like "Call Me" and "What's Goin' On," (I really like these), and a lot of the same white dudes really like anything 'black' that's appeared on, say, the soundtrack to a Quentin Tarantino film (not so much for me). The "white dudes" in question are mostly college-educated 'hipster' type white guys who, if you were to look at the records they own, maybe 5% of them would be made by black people. These people might include:

- Robert Johnson
- Michael Jackson
- Miles Davis
- John Coltrane (+ other jazz greats etc.)
- A Tribe Called Quest
- De La Soul
- Wu-Tang

etc. Notably missing from what these people like is modern-day R&B (e.g., John Legend). Maybe they have Konono No. 1 in there too, and the Motown Singles on their iPod. So that is my answer for that particular slice of the 'white' demographic. I have no idea, for example, what frat boy white guys listen to when they listen to 'black' music. (Ying Yang Twins, probably).

As a white guy I'd be really interested to hear what "white" music is the African-American equivalent of the omnipresent "Nation of Millions."

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Saturday, 21 May 2005 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

As a white guy I'd be really interested to hear what "white" music is the African-American equivalent of the omnipresent "Nation of Millions."

The Wall, Led Zeppelin 4, Let It Bleed, Aja, Dark Side of the Moon, The White Album, or Astral Weeks I might venture if we're talking about older stuff. Maybe The Joshua Tree or Blood Sugar Sex Magic for 80s/90s. Recent: something by Coldplay or John Mayer

― Candicissima (candicissima), Saturday, 21 May 2005 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Heavens, Candicissima! You're not fitting well into this pre-conceived pigeonhole. You're just not playing along. Madness! ;-)

(I find it better to just Ned-ize every statement from here on out in this thread...)

― donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 21 May 2005 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I know more white dudes into black music than I do black dudes into white music, but one of the biggest fans I know of the Wedding Present (arguably the whiteist, most funk-free band on the planet) is a big huge black gent named Shawn, so go know.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 May 2005 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost Heh. Was I supposed to say "we don't like no white shit! you buggin', yo!?" Sorry. I'm bored before I go out. I couldn't resist the lure of posting.

― Candicissima (candicissima), Saturday, 21 May 2005 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw a black girl on the bus today wearing an Aerosmith shirt. I don't know what to make of it, but it certainly wasn't expected.

― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 21 May 2005 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Who fucking cares?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Saturday, 21 May 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You cared enough to post.

― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 21 May 2005 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

cowboy troy vs. limp bizkit vs. kid rock vs. audioslave vs. james taylor vs. thelonious monk vs. de la soul vs. what the fuck ever.i

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

vs foo fighters vs system of a down vs. white stripes vs. the mars volta vs. hot hot heat vs. yawn.p

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i know more black people that listen to country than white people that listen to hip-hop

i know more white democrats than black republicans

i know more white people that drive like this than black people that drive like that

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

There are always exceptions to the stereotype. I mean, I would be less surprised hearing that Condoleeca Rice was into Christian country than hearing she was into gangsta rap.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 21 May 2005 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Condi Rice Fun Fact #51: teenage member of Charley Pride fan club.

actually, pace Dr. Rice, the answer here would be "Classical Music."

Vs teh Blues which has been a white-people preserve since about 1965.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 21 May 2005 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Coldplay and John Mayer (inexplicably) to thread.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 21 May 2005 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

this pernicious stereotype that all secretaries of state like gansta rap
ends NOW

― Sym Sym (sym), Saturday, 21 May 2005 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"The blues is white music. Most "free jazz" is white music. All the musicians know it, everybody in the ghetto knows it because THEY be boppin' to James Brown and Stanley Turrentine; don't own Muddy Waters albums, much less Robert Johnson, and 98% of 'em never heard of Albert Ayler. My music was at least 70% white - if I'd played what black people wanted to hear at that time, I'da been spectacularly unsuccessful in the hip rock superstar world, and if I'd gone down to the Apollo Theatre and played what I played at the Fillmore, I probably woulda been laughed off the stage."

-Jimi Hendrix, "posthumous" interview, April 1976

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I know what you're doing yeah yeah
I know why you dialed my number
I know what you're doing yeah yeah
I know why you care
I know what you're doing yeah yeah
I know why you say you love me
I know what you're doing yeah yeah
And I don't think it's fair
I know why you dialed my number
I know why you say you're mine
I know what you're doing,
And it's not, gonna work, this time (2)
I know what you're doing yeah yeah
I can never sing in that key
I know what you're doing yeah yeah
And you're the one to blame
I know what you're doing yeah yeah
I know why you can't forgive me
I know why you're singing lost love
The lyrics haven't changed
1-I can recognize the symptoms
You should know I've changed my mind
I know what you're doing
And it's not, gonna work this time
Hey hey hey, said it's not gonna work this time...

I know what you're doing, baby
I know why you call my name
I know why you say you love me
but I can't say the same

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Allways interesting to see examples of why the States is such a f*cked up place....

― King Tim III, Sunday, 22 May 2005 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/drc300/c376/c376643mw53.jpg
http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/drc300/c376/c376643mw53.jpg
http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/drc300/c376/c376643mw53.jpg

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

How does Teena Marie fit into this?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

fit into WHAT!?!?@!?!!@IIPI@#^%$%^&

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 23 May 2005 06:00 (twenty-one years ago)

is mariah carey black?

― Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:08 (twenty-one years ago)

is mariah carey black?
-- Nic de Teardrop

Since you asked...
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=63705

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Did any of you see any of the Ego Trip hiphop magazine folks tv specials on VH1? How about the one where they talked about the concept of "ghetto pass."

― steve-k, Monday, 23 May 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

So the former wins, right? This has been determined, or no?

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Eminem vs. Eminem

― James.Cobo (jamescobo), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.theplug.net/2004.08/candyplayoffs113.html

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn...let me try that again:

TS:
http://www.theplug.net/2004.08/candypeanutm&ms.jpg VS http://www.theplug.net/2004.08/candym&ms.jpg

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

music is 4 everyone so if you tthink there is a difference in blacks and white get over your self please~~and this is coming from a strait up white girl yea-yeH

― Lala ozdemirgi, Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:34 (twenty years ago)

You go girl! Thanks for reviving my least favorite thread that I ever started!

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Well, actually my least favorite is the one I started to complain about people saying "nobody cares" on music threads.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:16 (twenty years ago)

nobody cares

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:29 (twenty years ago)

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