Reasons why Chas and Dave are great

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1. Chas Hodges was the bassist with the Outlaws and Joe Meek session regular! He played on "Johnny Remember Me" for fuck's sake!

2. Dave Peacock plays the bassline on Labi Siffre's "I've Got The...," subsequently sampled for Eminem's "My Name Is..."

3. They were discovered by John Peel and Charlie Gillett, did sessions for both broadcaster's shows in 1975, and in their early days were considered the equals of the likes of Kilburn and the Highroads in terms of social observation and musical innovation.

4. Their early stuff is a sometimes brutal collision between music hall and pre-punk punk (as are early hits like "Gertcha" when you think about it).

5. Despite subsequent daft hits like "Snooker Loopy," they are also capable of poignant ballads which pre-Bragg and out-Bragg Billy (e.g. "Billy Tyler," "Defeated," "Ballad Of The Rich").

6. They are arguably the only musicians to draw an aesthetic line between the vaudeville of Marie Lloyd and Harry Champion and the early rock and roll of Sun Studios (everyone else, e.g. Ray Davies, diverting into art school perspectives - no bad thing of course, but C&D did it without irony or face. With the possible exception of Lionel Bart).

7. "Ain't No Pleasing You" is Ray Charles singing "Boiled Beef And Carrots" and thus deathless.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:12 (eighteen years ago) link

(sp. "broadcasters' shows")

8. The cut-ups of the chorus lines in the second half of "The Sideboard Song" are Flanagan and Allen accidentally discovering Burroughs.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i didnt know much of this. but, these are all good reasons!

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of those reasons actually made me think of Madness, who I'd never held in the same thought-bubble as the pearly kings of pub rock before. Are Madness the Chas'n'Dave it's okay to like?

Most of all though, I thought about 'Ossie's Dream'.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:33 (eighteen years ago) link

When, if ever, to paraphrase ILX, did you stop thinking Tottenham were one of The Big Bands?

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost)

Or indeed the 1982 sequel: "Tottenham! Tottenham! No one can stoppenham!"

Madness are Chas and Dave if they'd kept on reading the NME after 1976. But I like them both.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

For reference:

20 Chas & Dave Gertcha May 1979
8 Chas & Dave Rabbit Nov 1980
21 Chas & Dave Stars Over 45 Dec 1981
2 Chas & Dave Ain't No Pleasing You Mar 1982
6 Matchroom Mob with Chas & Dave Snooker Loopy May 1986

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Dom, check out the chart placings for Spurs!

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Of course:

5 Tottenham Hotspur FA Cup Final Squad Ossie's Dream (Spurs Are On Their Way To Wembley) May 1981
19 Tottenham Hotspur FA Cup Final Squad Tottenham Tottenham May 1982

Were they responsible for:

18 Tottenham Hotspur FA Cup Final Squad Hot Shot Tottenham! May 1987

?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed they were, though thankfully they were not responsible for:

12 Glenn & Chris Diamond Lights Apr 1987

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:53 (eighteen years ago) link

In a way, it's sad that the Spurs are so mediocre; it's the only way that Chas'n'Dave will ever see the charts for one last knees-up surely? That Glenn & Chris single was the beginning of the end for them as a club, the naff flash and the silky mullets usurping the steak'n'kidney pride that was surely the beating heart of the club. Hang on, I ve just come over all Ron the Manager. Where's Stewart with his Chas'n'Dave at the Hexagon tale?

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a single in 1991 too - the only victorious Spurs cup final I remember and it doesn't appear to have dented the chart :(

DJ Mencap0))), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:15 (eighteen years ago) link

That one was entitled "When The Year Ends In One."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link

A reference to 1901 I think!

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link

BTW just wanted to be the first to big up the drummer, who never got a mention, but was actually fucking ace.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link

(1961 too obv.)

(x-post with mice elf)

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link

They did a tribute song to their drummer - "Give It Some Stick, Nick."

Didn't Bruce Forsyth do the '61 Spurs song - "Tip Top Tottenham Hotspur" or something similar?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:22 (eighteen years ago) link

best football record is still "sunderland are back in the first division", which, of course, should be played by their opponents should they get relegated next year

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Need to hear that drummer song - must be some great breaks there! Has anyone attempted sample-based pubrock yet?

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:24 (eighteen years ago) link

(they could call it pie'n'mash-up)

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think Sainsbury's even sells rabbit anymore.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:27 (eighteen years ago) link

According to their online shop, the only rabbit Sainsbury's currently sells is as part of dog food.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:34 (eighteen years ago) link

That is still quite a lot of rabbit though I suppose.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:36 (eighteen years ago) link

all this is making me want to check them @ Glasto ..

mark e (mark e), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

That Eminem connection is priceless.

I found a load of secondhand Chas and Dave records recently (god knows why in Holland), and was struck by the impressively stained, uneven, unpolished quality of their teeth. There was nobility in the ugliness. I almost bought one. Sometimes I think Marcello is capable of persuading me that Showaddywaddy or the Goom Bay Dance Band have some hidden spark of genius.

stevo (stevo), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:46 (eighteen years ago) link

They're fun. Chas Hodges is on dozens of freakbeat and psych recds. Last week I found out he was on Pandemonium's 1970 LP and their impossibly brilliant 1967 single 'No Presents For Me/The Sun Shines From His Eyes'.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adastevens/mickchasadadave.jpg

NickB (NickB), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't the drummer called Mick, not Nick?

They invented Rockney, thus influencing Simon Williams, and his mad genre-labelling exercises. (Williams is a Walthamstow lad- perhaps it's a NE London thing)
They were a huge influence on the LIbertines (probably not a positive)

I have seen them twice, once at White Hart Lane, where the entire Shelf booed them as they mimed 'Ain't No Pleasin' You' at half time (for an Xmas special). And on the bill at the Ian Dury tribute, where a family of fat cockneys barged me and the wife out of the way, as they ran to the front, dad yelling 'Cahmm ornnn, they're playing Margate!'

snotty moore, Monday, 23 May 2005 08:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I am old enough to remember when Chas & Dave were kind of hip. The Kilburns comparison is a good one. "Strummin'" (or whatever it was called) was terrific, as was "Gertcha", although they had lost me by "Ain't No Pleasing You". There was also a good B-side, which talked about how no-one would ever listen to it because it was a B-side. It was called something like "Only The B-side".

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 23 May 2005 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

What the fuck does Tony Meo say at the end of his verse? It sounds like "I always bite me eyeballs", but that doesn't make any sense.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 27 January 2008 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Apparently it might be slang for crying?

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 27 January 2008 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Chas and Dave, the popular cockneys whose knees-up music was as much part of the soundtrack to the 1980s as U2 or Madonna, announced today they are to split up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/sep/22/chas-and-dave-split

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:14 (fourteen years ago) link

First Florian leaves Kraftwerk and now this

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmmm, how's Florian's cockney accent?

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"I don't care, I don't care, I don't care if he comes rount hier
I've got mein bier in das sideboard hier let Mutti sort it out if he comes round hier"

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Got more robot that Sainsbury's that guy.

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:31 (fourteen years ago) link

that than

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:31 (fourteen years ago) link

"Snooker Loopy Nüsse sind wir
Ich und er und sie und mich
Wir zeigen Ihnen, was wir tun können
Mit einer Belastung von Kugeln und einem Snooker-Queue"

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Would be so great if Kraftwerk were into snooker instead of cycling.

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:34 (fourteen years ago) link

World Snooker Champs ist kein problem
Live from Reading Hexagon

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link

It's More Fun To Pot Black

a light salad of Adorno, Heidegger, Derrida and Esteban Buttez (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link

From station to station
Back to Sheffield City
Meet Steve Davis and Stephen Hendry

a light salad of Adorno, Heidegger, Derrida and Esteban Buttez (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:46 (fourteen years ago) link

........on the Trans-Pennine Express' Obv.

sonofstan, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Boing Boom Tchas and Dave

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Another lonely night
Stare at the TV screen
I don't know what to do
I need a Ronnie O
Snooker love
Snooker love

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"When me rock and roll records wake him up
Goethe!
When the Poles knock England out of the cup
Goethe!
When the kids are banging on his door
Goethe!"

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

"Snooker Loopy Nüsse sind wir
Ich und er und sie und mich
Wir zeigen Ihnen, was wir tun können
Mit einer Belastung von Kugeln und einem Snooker-Queue"

^^^^^

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 21:33 (seven years ago) link

Wir gehen gehen gehen nach dem langeschwartze

Mark G, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link

Jetzt denkt man, meine ich nicht, was ich sage und ich bin nur bluffen
Du hast eine andere Sache, die kommt, bin ich ya sagen, dass umsonst
Oh Darlin' ich fahre, das ist, was ich zu tun

Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Thursday, 15 December 2016 09:29 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

had no idea chas was a joe meek regular. never enough praise for meek. gertcha.

meaulnes, Sunday, 16 December 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link

He's in the Joe meek biopic, played by someone else, and playing someone else.

Mark G, Monday, 17 December 2018 00:48 (five years ago) link

On 12-string acoustic here, for some reason...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF0FyV-Y-y8

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Monday, 17 December 2018 01:13 (five years ago) link

wow!

ogmor, Monday, 17 December 2018 01:23 (five years ago) link


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