Beatles fans

How do you know this?

As evidenced on Something. I can't imagine Paul getting good looks from George in the studio over that one.

John said it best: "He's an egomaniac about everything except his bass playing."

I mean, he ain't the Nuge...

Really? And I thought everyone had been improvising on his themes all these years ...

And in The Making Of Sgt Pepper, there is a scene where Paul and George Martin are listening to the tapes of "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" and Paul compliments his own bass playing. Not that he was wrong for doing so, but still...

mccartney was a good songwriter, but his music doesn't even try for that level of complexity and seriousness.

Steve Vai to thread!

Man, that means that guy who sold me that Mozart free-jazz CDR on ebay ripped me off!

Seriously, I've got a long list of post-Mozart composers that I'll take over McCartney...I hear that Beethoven guy had a bit of a knack for melody, for example. I like the Beatles and all, but I think we have a case of overstatement for effect here...

what about george's gtr playing made it neurotic? i think george was the perfect beatles guitarist, esp. in the first few years when he was doing his best carl perkins impressions.

Stop mixing this innovation thing into this. Innovation is overrated. What counts is a good tune. A good melody that you can hum along to without getting sick of it after a day. McCartney is a master of that, Mozart was, and Gershwin wasn't too bad either (even though Cole Porter and Irving Berlin were both better than Gershwin at it)

That "vicious" made the thread! I'm really happy to see that word is still used. I recently started working at Guitar Center and noticed a lot of the people that frequent there use it... I thought that was a dead hair-metal-era phrase, but I am kinda happy to see its coming back.

(And yeah, I think it's the best solo on any Beatles track ever! Except maybe the very similar "Good Morning Good Morning" one.)

It says here that John played lead on "Hey Bulldog," for what it's worth. Everybody's steppin' on George's turf!

xpost Paul playing on GMGM, that is.

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), May 23rd, 2005.

FACT:

1. fact -- (a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the case")

2. fact -- (a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an impressive array of facts")

3. fact -- (an event known to have happened or something known to have existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is fact and how much fiction is hard to tell")

4. fact -- (a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses are not facts")

OPINION:

1. opinion, sentiment, persuasion, view, thought -- (a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "what are your thoughts on Haiti?")

2. public opinion, popular opinion, opinion, vox populi -- (a belief or sentiment shared by most people; the voice of the people; "he asked for a poll of public opinion")

3. opinion, view -- (a message expressing a belief about something; the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof; "his opinions appeared frequently on the editorial page")

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One has long since realised that your grasp of the English language is shakier than Shakin' Stevens, but which part of the above don't you understand?

i didn't say "innovative," i said "inventive." i don't even see "yesterday" as a particularly inventive piece of music - as far as mid-'60s mccartney tunes go, i'd take "good day sunshine" any day.

-- Jazzbo (jmcga...), May 23rd, 2005.

there's only 8 notes...

It is statements like this that convince me that if Geir and I were ever occupying the same point in the space-time continuum it would result in some devastating chain-reaction ending life as we know it. However, his pro-Coldplay stance becomes frighteningly clear.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but given the accepted historical importance of the Beatles albums as a whole (particularly as reflected in the CHANGES that occured between, say, "Please Please Me" and "Sergeant Pepper"), one would assume that innovation plays a rather important part in all of that...and in the works of all classical composers as well. That's why classical music is viewed as a chronological progression of stylistic schools. Unless you are arguing that there is no functional, innovative difference between Mozart and McCartney, despite the vast time-span, technological advances, and inequivalent format of their songwriting (Orchestra vs. 4-piece rock band), I'm simply going to have to call you on your bluff.

mingus said more or less the same thing as geir - "there is much of worth in originality. but not originality alone, because there can be originality in stupidity."

also didn't L&M just rip some chord changes off smokey robinson, holland-dozier-holland and others whom comstock carabinieri would call "coloured" people?

Although, when asked, he did say "Oh yeah, Press to Play, That was pretty de-pressing, wasn't it?"

So, it's not as if he doesn't take comments on board. But then, he dosn't have to actually like them, at the time, right?

Um. Why, exactly? Or did I miss something trenchant in your dismissal?

Or were you just taking a cheap shot at an (admittedly) clumsy phrase I used without bothering to pay attention to the point I was making?

McCartney the bassplayer versus McCartney the composer also seems a false distinction. His reputation as an innovative bass player is all about unexpected note choice and placement, ie it's entirely owing to the fact that he never stops thinking like a composer.

A lot of Lennon's vocal style was learned for those people.

As for chord changes, where in Motown music did Lennon and McCartney pick up the brilliant and completely unprepared change from C Major directly to a 2-5-1-F major sequence in the bridge of "From Me To You"? That was the most brilliant chord change ever.

Not for the first time, I'll admit.

Absolutely ... although I was convinced both were John Lennon.