Taking Sides: Courtney Love vs. Mike Love

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(One of a series, with John Denver vs. Bob Denver and Shirley Manson vs. Marilyn Manson.)

(Coming soon: Randy Jackson vs. Jermaine Jackson.)

― The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Coming soon: Randy Jackson vs. Randy Jackson
Joe Jackson vs. Joe Jackson

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't honestly choose which one offends me more. If I pay extra, can I have them both "taken care of?"

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought this would be about people who ruined bands.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Love's been on lots of good records. Ergo, he win.

― TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

C/D Coming Soon by Queen

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

much as I hate him, Mike wins on the strength of his involvement and actual participation on a lot of great records. Courtney only has one, maybe one-and-a-half decent albums to her credit. (but they're both totally loathsome)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, to the best of my knowledge, Mike's never had anybody's face shot off.

― TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike's never had anybody's face shot off.

Van Dyke Park's

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Both awful.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

As mush as I despise Mike Love, I'll let him live for co-writing "Warmth of the Sun". Speaking of which, did anyone see the awful, AWFUL, AWFUL Beach Boys medley they did on American Idol last night? I'm currently scrubbing my brain with a S.O.S. pad to erase the memory.

― darin (darin), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I did see that Beach Boys medley. My goodness gracious, what a nation of singers we've become. Courtney is marginally better looking, but I guess I go with Mike.

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it was funny seeing the Whitney Houston school of singers try and interpret Beach Boy songs which are characteristically so devoid of melisma (with the exception of the patended Wilson three note trill at the end of a phrase). Watching those jackasses try to shoehorn 8 billion notes into Surfer Girl = comic gold.

― darin (darin), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I take Love My Carpet over both?

― Erik The Mainer (EZSnappin), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Arthur Lee to thread.

With a chainsaw.

Please.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

How essential was Mike Love to the Beach Boys? How did he fit into their harmonies?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say he played a pretty substantial vocal role - certainly his voice is as readily identifiable as the any of the Wilson Bros, and his timbre was a key element of their harmonies (even if he had the narrowest range - he was more essential to their mix than, say, Al or Bruce). Of course his actual creative ideas/songwriting skills are beyond pathetic.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Gotta go with Mike - he's been on more and better records than Courtney, and he seems to have more of his health.

I caught some of that AI Beach Boys medley, which proved my theory that MOST people (e.g. non-rock critics/Mojo readers/music nerds) think of the Beach Boys as an insubstantial surf group and little else. OK, so "'Til I Die" wouldn't have fit the show. Couldn't they have at least sang in tune?

― mike a, Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

How essential was Mike Love to the Beach Boys? How did he fit into their harmonies?

He did all the bass parts. He also revamped Good Vibrations into something better than Brian had imagined...although, the triplets on the cello was Van Dyke Park's idea.

But those lyrics on the new smile album...yeah, those are what Tony Asher and Brian came up with before Mike Love added.

The version on the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey twofer is the version w/o Mike's imput. Ugh.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, based on Shakey and Pappa's interesting Mike Love facts, I'm going to go with the loveable Mr. Love instead of Courtney on this (although I think people are way underestimating how good an album Live Through This is – and she gets credit for it I think despite all the "rumors" about Kurt's involvement)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: America's Sweetheart v. Looking Back With Love

― mike a, Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep seeing Constantine's face singing "I Get Around" offkey with that fucking come hither look. MAKE IT STOP IT BURNS.

― darin (darin), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to admit, one of the first time music imagery and social awareness happened to me as a very young child was seeing the video for California Girls. Mike affected a swagger, a beard, and some then wild clothing.

Later in life I noticed the ridicuolessness of Dennis's air-drumming or whatever in that.

Seeing the video for Good Vibrations and Hello Goodbye came next. These shaped much of who I am possibly.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG that California Girls clip is hilariously awesome.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow. This is much more one-sided than I thought it would be.

Maybe Courtney's rawness = fake realness whereas Mike's Aruba-Jamaica cheeziness = real fakeness.

Good thing it wasn't Courtney Love vs. Mike Love vs. Love and Rockets.

― The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Puffin- there are plenty of Courtney Love fans on the board, but most of us find Mo and Alex In NYC's nervous tics whenever she's mentioned to be kinda tired.

Courtney wrote better songs for Nirvana than Mike Love did for the Beach Boys.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Courtney wrote better songs for Nirvana than Mike Love did for the Beach Boys

Examples please.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how Dom says essentially he doesn't want to talk about it, then follows up with some Grade A Troll Bait.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I am a huge fan of Courtney Love, but I don't mention it so much because somebody always wants to pick a fight, and it's always over the same things..

― daria g (daria g), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not a fan of Courtney Love, though I like the past three albums she's done. Courtney's musical output stands on its own better than Mike's, but frankly, she's an insufferable boor. Taking sides on this is pointless, kind of like trying to decide whether Hilter or Stalin was the most evilest.

― don weiner, Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

mmmm, I'll go with Hitler. no wait, Stalin! no, wait wait Slobodon Milosevic! oh don weiner now you've got me all bugaboo!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

If we confine the criteria to recorded material only, I'll take Courtney Love.

If we include interviews and public pronouncements, I'll take a whole lotta Courtney Love.

She's FUBAR, but in a way that I'll always find tragically appealing. Insightful/articulate/self-destructive = Story of My Romantic Life Thus Far.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Must it be said again?

Burning out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading away.

― The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(And if I hadn't already exhausted my "number of annoying novelty threads created in one day" quota, I might hazard "Taking Sides: Burning Out vs. Fading Away.")

― The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Burning out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading away.

(And if I hadn't already exhausted my "number of annoying novelty threads created in one day" quota, I might hazard "Taking Sides: Burning Out vs. Fading Away.")
-- The Mad Puffin (pfnwrit...), May 26th, 2005.

If you could frame this so as to make it any kind of contest, IMHO it could be much more than a novelty thread. Explains our general Bono/Stipe exhaustion, Geir's Beatlemania, the Cult of Kurt... even Hendrix might have found a way to suck before reaching the Best Album Since Blood On The Tracks part of his career.

If it hadn't required human sacrifice, it wouldn't be perverse to say that Zep and Nirvana did it exactly right: burn out; then spend the next 40 years fading away solo.

*emerges from trance*

Uh, so start the thread. I feel silly going on about this on the Love Bites thread.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it possible to spuzz all over Mike Love's floppy tits?

― Busy Bee, Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

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