Johnny Cash: Imperialist Neocon

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What's the deal with Johnny Cash? He made racist American imperial music propelled by rockist phallic guitars. He couldn't sing either. He also failed to embrace techno or proto-gabba in his later career. He didn't cover the Associates or Scritti or Eno or Bowie, so Symon sez bully to him and the horse he rode in on.

Symon Raynoldz, Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

well, he's Johnny Cash, or was, and for years I resisted his stuff. Recently I've become hip to his novelty songs, though, and I regard his Nashville kissoff tune "Chicken in Black" the high point of his career in many ways.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

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s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

So, wait - you didn't hear the collaboration with Mike Skinner, Yabby U and the Raster-Noton dudes, then?

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i heard that remix it was killer

katie hasty (katie, a princess), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

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Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

And "bully to you" actually means "well done". Get one archaic Londoner slang guide.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

That song that was used in the Dawn of the Dead remake ("The Man Comes To Town") is incredible. Talk about going out on a high note. I think it might be my all time favorite Cash song.

As far as the thread question, I have no idea what Johnny's politics were all about.

darin (darin), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

He didn't believe in mixing politics with the folk songs of our land.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

And while it's true he couldn't sing for shit, he did rap okay now and then.

xhuxk, Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Man Comes Around" not "The Man Comes To Town"

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoops. Yeah, that's what I meant.

darin (darin), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

re 'proto-gabba': J Cash "Ring of Fire" vs Elvis Jackson "Aah Soul"

dave q (listerine), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean I think Cash was actually a good southern liberal kind of guy, wasn't he? of the formerly backsliding Christian variety?

anyway, I have come to like him more and more, there's something in his voice that appeals to me, and I always enjoy hearing his "Jackson" duet on the radio. I met him a couple of times and went to his house out on Old Hickory Lake once, for this book-biz event I was involved in. It was great, and he went around and shook hands with everyone--when he looked at me it was dead in the eye and I felt it. One of my uncles knew him a little bit, they both used to hang out at this little grocery in Hendersonville and they used to talk fishing and that sort of thing--my uncle liked him pretty well. One of those things where I don't necessarily think he was on the same musical level as Jones or Haggard or any of them, but I have a lot of respect for him as a human being. I love June Carter Cash's stuff, and Roseanne is real good too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah he was one of those liberals who tends to vote Republican (not a joke, tho it looks like one)

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i did some googling on this: no one really seems to know, cash didn't talk about his politics much. i'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

He didn't really have "politics", he just met and knew people. This is just the impression I got from "Cash by Johnny Cash" (which really is fucking GREAT).

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know anything about his politics, but he did a great job of covering Nick Cave's The Mercy Seat.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Racist music? Back that up please.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are people so into racism, anyway?

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:35 (twenty-one years ago)

What about 'I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down' and all that, then?

Orange (Orange), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say he valued independence, pacifism and freedom of expression. And was very well-known as an anti-Vietnam War protestor.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Note for the record: "Symon Raynoldz" is not me.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:58 (twenty-one years ago)

...and he did an album about the plight of Native Americans, defended his daughter against neo-McCarthyite republican scumfucks for speaking out against the Iraq war etc etc
But hey, it's country music, they must all be right wing fundamentalist rednecks huh?

stew, Friday, 27 May 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't forget, he was christian and said so and is therefore eeeeeevil. Unless

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 27 May 2005 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

>he was one of those liberals who tends to vote Republican

Nah, Viking OTM; I've only flipped thru "Cash" at the bookstore, but I think he says he personally liked both Reagan and Clinton "but I didn't vote for either of them." He never seemed to be party- or ideology-identified, in the way white lib Dems or NASCAR gun-owners are.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 May 2005 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

He has lots of great singles, but my favorite album of his is the first American Recordings from 93 or 94. His singing on "The Beast in Me" and "Why Me Lord" showed he still had spritual yearning and conflict going on inside of him; "Drive On" showed he was still willing to talk about the downtrodden and disrespected; "Delia" and "Tennessee Stud" are in his tradition of songs about evil women and men which incorporate jailtime and firearms; and "The Man Who Couldn't Cry" showed he could still crack a smile about all of it.

On the bass, 57 7th, he wrote this (calstars), Friday, 27 May 2005 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

As for that Native Americans thing: Wasn't he in fact one-quarter Apache or something? He certainly had the facial features.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 27 May 2005 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope, the lineage is a myth.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 May 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

did chuck write that johnny cash couldn't sing?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

No Cash sang that Chuck couldn't write.

Masked Gazza, Friday, 27 May 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, you wonder why I always dress in black,
Why you never see bright colors on my back,
And why does my appearance seem to have a somber tone.
Well, there's a reason for the things that I have on.

I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down,
Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town,
I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime,
But is there because he's a victim of the times.

I wear the black for those who never read,
Or listened to the words that Jesus said,
About the road to happiness through love and charity,
Why, you'd think He's talking straight to you and me.

Well, we're doin' mighty fine, I do suppose,
In our streak of lightnin' cars and fancy clothes,
But just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back,
Up front there ought 'a be a Man In Black.

I wear it for the sick and lonely old,
For the reckless ones whose bad trip left them cold,
I wear the black in mournin' for the lives that could have been,
Each week we lose a hundred fine young men.

And, I wear it for the thousands who have died,
Believen' that the Lord was on their side,
I wear it for another hundred thousand who have died,
Believen' that we all were on their side.

Well, there's things that never will be right I know,
And things need changin' everywhere you go,
But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,
You'll never see me wear a suit of white.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"Singin' in Vietnam Talkin' Blues"

One mornin' at breakfast, I said to my wife,
We been everywhere once and some places twice,
As I had another helping of country ham,
She said "We ain't never been to Vietnam,
"And there's a bunch of our boys over there."
So we went to the Orient: Saigon.

Well we got a big welcome when we drove in,
Through the gates of a place that they call Long Vinh.
We checked in and everything got kinda quiet,
But a soldier boy said: "Just wait 'til tonight,
"Things get noisy. Things start happenin'.
"Big bad firecrackers."

Well that night we did about four shows for the boys,
And they were livin' it up with a whole lot of noise.
We did our last song for the night,
And we crawled into bed for some peace and quiet,
But things weren't peaceful. And things weren't quiet.
Things were scary.

Well for a few minutes June never said one word,
And I thought at first that she hadn't heard.
Then a shell exploded not two miles away,
She sat up in bed and I heard her say: "What was that?"
I said: "That was a shell, or a bomb."
She said: "I'm scared." I said "Me too."

Well all night long that noise kept on,
And the sound would chill you right to the bone.
The bullets and the bombs, and the mortar shells,
Shook our bed every time one fell,
And it never let up; it was gonna get worse,
Before it got any better.

Well when the sun came up, the noise died down,
We got a few minutes sleep, an' we were sleepin' sound,
When a soldier knocked on our door and said:
"Last night they brought in seven dead, and 14 wounded."
And would we come down to the base hospital, and see the boys.
"Yes!"

So we went to the hospital ward by day,
And every night we were singin' away.
Then the shells and the bombs was goin' again.
And the helicopters brought in the wounded men.
Night after night; day after day.
Comin' and a goin'.

So we sadly sang for them our last song,
And reluctantly we said: "So long."
We did our best to let 'em know that we care,
For every last one of 'em that's over there.
Whether we belong over there or not.
Somebody over here love's 'em, and needs 'em

Well now that's about all that there is to tell,
About that little trip into livin' hell.
And if I ever go back over there any more,
I hope there's none of our boys there for me to sing for;
I hope that war is over with,
And they all come back home,
To stay.

In peace.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Ballad Of Ira Hayes"

Ira Hayes,
Ira Hayes

[CHORUS:]
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Gather round me people there's a story I would tell
About a brave young Indian you should remember well
From the land of the Pima Indian
A proud and noble band
Who farmed the Phoenix valley in Arizona land

Down the ditches for a thousand years
The water grew Ira's peoples' crops
'Till the white man stole the water rights
And the sparklin' water stopped

Now Ira's folks were hungry
And their land grew crops of weeds
When war came, Ira volunteered
And forgot the white man's greed

[CHORUS:]
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

There they battled up Iwo Jima's hill,
Two hundred and fifty men
But only twenty-seven lived to walk back down again

And when the fight was over
And when Old Glory raised
Among the men who held it high
Was the Indian, Ira Hayes

[CHORUS:]
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Ira returned a hero
Celebrated through the land
He was wined and speeched and honored; Everybody shook his hand

But he was just a Pima Indian
No water, no crops, no chance
At home nobody cared what Ira'd done
And when did the Indians dance

[CHORUS:]
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Then Ira started drinkin' hard;
Jail was often his home
They'd let him raise the flag and lower it
like you'd throw a dog a bone!

He died drunk one mornin'
Alone in the land he fought to save
Two inches of water in a lonely ditch
Was a grave for Ira Hayes

[CHORUS:]
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Yeah, call him drunken Ira Hayes
But his land is just as dry
And his ghost is lyin' thirsty
In the ditch where Ira died

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

San Quentin, you've been livin' hell to me
You've hosted me since nineteen sixty three
I've seen 'em come and go and I've seen them die
And long ago I stopped askin' why

San Quentin, I hate every inch of you.
You've cut me and have scarred me thru an' thru.
And I'll walk out a wiser weaker man;
Mister Congressman why can't you understand.

San Quentin, what good do you think you do?
Do you think I'll be different when you're through?
You bent my heart and mind and you may my soul,
And your stone walls turn my blood a little cold.

San Quentin, may you rot and burn in hell.
May your walls fall and may I live to tell.
May all the world forget you ever stood.
And may all the world regret you did no good.

San Quentin, you've been livin' hell to me.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't find the lyrics for Chicken in Black!

Masked Gazza, Friday, 27 May 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't forget that Cash repeatedly claimed that he 'grew up under socialism' in the Arkansas farming colony his family moved to.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

And "bully to you" actually means "well done". Get one archaic Londoner slang guide.

Bully for you, surely?

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, why not.

Chicken in Black

For two long years my head hurt bad
So the doctor checked me and shook his head
He said "I'm sorry to tell you, but your body's outlived your brain"
He said "I know this doctor in New York, son,
and he'll fix you right up with a brand new one"
So the head doctor met me when I stepped down off the train
He said "We had this bank robber killed last night
His body's shot but his brain's all right
I'll give you a transplant, boy, and you'll be OK"
I got my new brain in and I was feelin' great
I went right back to Nashville with no headache
But something strange happened when I walked in the bank one day

CHORUS:
I said "Stick 'em up everybody I'm robbin' this place
Drop all of your money in my guitar case
Don't nobody move and don't nobody reach for that door"
A lady said "Why, you're Johnny Cash"
I said "No ma'am, I'm the Manhattan Flash
And I am the best bank robber in New York"

Now the other night Roy Acuff called me
He said "John, I'd like for you to do the Opry"
So I went out on the stage but I couldn't sing
I got into half a verse of "I Walk the Line"
And something snapped in this head of mine
I yelled "Stick 'em up! Give me your money, your
watches and rings!"

Well I called New York and talked to that brain quack
I said "Doc, I've gotta have my old brain back"
He said "I'm sorry there Mr. Cash but I can't do that"
He said "I put your brain in a chicken last Monday
He's singin' your songs and makin' lots of money
And I got him signed to a ten-year recording contract"

Now, friends, if you see me walkin' down the street
Remember what you see ain't necessarily me
And if I try to hold you up, don't pay me no mind
But when you got ten bucks that you can blow
You oughta catch that Johnny Chicken Show
He's doin' fairs and concert dates all up and down the line

CHORUS

Well, don't pay any income tax
You don't pay tax on money you steal
(Derisively yet with an air of resignation):
Chicken in black! Ummm...


edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

whoa!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)


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