Kraftwerk Opens US Tour In DC Tonight, 5/30

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And pretty damned good, too. Crisp, clear and entirely undamaged by time. Three encores, too...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Good, good. I'll be catching the LA show.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, three encores. how long did they play for?

rajeev (rajeev), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

They played three encores on their last tour as well.

Setlist?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks to all the support on ILM, I'm pumped to see them this Friday in Deeeetroit!

'Splain me my Kraftwerk opinion so I can decide whether to see them in June!

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Where were you? I was up in the balcony, stage right, at the very end.

Their appearance up through the first encore was amusing...graying men in gray suits, who could have gotten lost from a World Bank annual meeting...until they lit up the LCD displays on their ties.

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll be in D.C. tonight.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Me too.

steve-k, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

approximate setlist (not quite in order)

The Man-Machine
Tour De France Etape
Tour De France
Autobahn
The Model
Neon Lights
Radioactivity
Trans-Europe Express/Metal on Metal
Vitamin

Home Computer
Numbers
Computer World
Pocket Calculator

The Robots

Aero Dynamik
Elektro Kardiogramm
Boing Boom Tschak


The show went a little over 2 hours. The staging and sound were fantastic, and the crowd response was unbelievable.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow — impressive. About the only thing I'd add to that setlist is "It's More Fun To Compute" during the Computer World encore...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Agreed! The show was the best forty bucks I'd spent in ages. The sound was so crisp.

paul c (paul c), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I found that I couldn't take my eyes off Ralf Hutter. When they came out to Man Machine in their sleek suits, he seemed such the picture of corporate perfection — older now but distinguished, his hair elegantly grayed, a knowing smirk on his face for the duration. Fascinating...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

But didn't Florian look as though he was doing nothing and would have rather been at the Kling Klang corporate meeting? He looked rather pissed off, in fact. The others were definitely engaged in what they were doing.

Florian notwithstanding, a top evening!

paul c (paul c), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Add Expo 2000 to the set list - in fact I think they were using the Underground Resistence version.

paul c (paul c), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, it's their second set. this set is identical to the one from the European tours last year.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

second song i mean.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

My understanding is that Florian has been this way since, oh, about 1974...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post) Ah, I knew I was missing a single somewhere, I was going through album by album to reassemble the list...

j.lu, you must have been right near me - did you see the guys on the railing who looked they they were part of Rolling Thunder but started dancing like it was Night at the Roxbury!?!

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: Florian

His crankiness didn't detract from my enjoyment. I am still thrilled that I managed to see them.

Re: the crowd

It was quite diverse, wans't it? Downstairs where I was I could see some Rolling Thunderers, some guys with the Who thirtieth anniversary t-shirts, some late-middle-aged women getting down in a very stiff manner and some crazy guy who was shouting enthusiastic obscenities whenever the video projection displayed some new image, in addition the usual Franz Ferdinand dolls and industrial types.

paul c (paul c), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually found Florian's disinterest kind of charming — it seemed like he was surveying the balcony for much of the evening.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The crowd in LA next week should be most interesting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i found out too late that they're playing in NYC :'(

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

No "Showroom Dummies"??

Keith C (kcraw916), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw them when they played here in Miami in November. The audience was rightly blown away.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

if anyone has extra tix to the NYC show, e-mail me!!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Stupid question, maybe: is there an opening band? I haven't seen any indication that there is, but I wanted to be sure. And what time did Kraftwerk go on? Hammerstein says show starts at 8:00 -- really?

W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

No opening act (the stage setup surely would have made it difficult to put other instruments up there), and, per contractual agreement, no music played in the venue before K. went on.

Last night's show was scheduled to start at 8:30pm, but weather delayed one member's flight to DC and they went on at 9:30pm. The main set went for about 80 minutes, followed by the three encores.

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Will-- my tix say 6:30pm start for tomorrow, so does Ticketmaster's web site. Where did you get 8pm from?

Keith C (kcraw916), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i will be seeing them this saturday and i cannot wait!! they are definitely one of those bands who i thought i would never see play live.

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

6:30 is doors. hammerstein website says show at 8:00.

W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

How were they tonight?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll be there in LA on Monday and I can't wait!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Rah! I'd almost suggest a meet-up but god knows how.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

First time I'd seen them but I thought the show was great. Have to check my notes but looks like the same set list as above.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to Hammerstein NYC tonight! This is gonna be AMAZING! Agree with above post: Never thought I'd get to see them live. Been a fan since mid-seventies.

Will post again tomorrow.

Kraftwerk! Meiner Damen und Herren!
Muzique Non-Stop!

doug thoms, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Kraftwerk: Museum Pieces

Washington Post
Wednesday, June 1, 2005; C03

Having released little new material in the past 20 years, the members of Kraftwerk are now essentially the curators of a museum of their own work.

But group founders Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider don't just periodically dust the exhibits. They've undertaken massive renovations, beginning with 1991's "The Mix," an album of remade classics, and including a painstaking conversion from analog to digital technology. Monday night at a packed 9:30 club, the influential Duesseldorf quartet brought new sounds and images to such futuristic oldies as "The Man-Machine."

As at most techno-pop performances, most of the music was pre-programmed. Some of the vocals were live, but significant deviations from the script would have derailed the tightly coordinated revue. Such songs as "Tour de France" were linked with pertinent video footage, and the elementary lyrics (in German, English and a smattering of French and Russian) to tunes such as the anti-nuke "Radioactivity" flashed on the screen behind the laptop-punching performers.

Kraftwerk has added harder, more metallic beats to many of its songs, updating its bleeps and swooshes to fit mid-'90s styles such as Berlin tekno and London drum-'n'-bass. Yet the group's machine-mad vision seemed largely nostalgic: Abstract videos suggested early-20th-century artists such as Mondrian and the Soviet Constructivists, while "Autobahn" and "Trans Europe Express" were illustrated by images of gleaming but antiquated cars and trains. By the time the band unveiled its trademark performing robots -- for the second of the two-hour show's three encores -- it seemed that Hutter and Schneider might be well advised to hire outside consultants for their modernization program. Kraftwerk is still lively and stylish but seemed a little quaint.


-- Mark Jenkins

steve-k, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Kraftwerk is still lively and stylish but seemed a little quaint.

Using the word "techno-pop" after 1989 is also quite quaint.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It should be used more.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Jenkins of the Washington Post has probably never played an instrument in his life.

It's always cooler to dislike what the masses accept, isn't it?

Nerd defined, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

As I said I really, really enjoyed the show but I think his criticism is fair. Simon Reynolds (or whoever wrote the Kraftwerk entry in the SPIN record guide) said something similar -- that Kraftwerk live post-Mix is a nostalgia revue, which runs counter to what the project seemed to be about in the 70s and early 80s.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Interesting — a nostalgia revue was what I was expecting, but not what I thought they delivered at all. The whole thing felt oddly contemporary and relevant.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll be there tonight!

geeta, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be interesting to go back to the source material and see what the live show was like in the late 70s. Kraftwerk has always been about technology, but not neccesarily about whatever is going on at the moment.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Jenkins of the Washington Post has probably never played an instrument in his life.

I'm pretty sure he has, Ned.

steve-k, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Direct that comment to "Nerd defined", not "Ned".

steve-k, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I was about to say, don't drag me into this!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

all i know is that kraftwerk in grey designer suits with lcd ties performing a nostalgia review in the year 2005 is some sweet poetic justice.

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It might have landed in the nostalgia category had the sound not been more monstrous than the Basement Jaxx show. Perfectly crisp, too.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Was I the only one who was immediately sent back to the last record wondering what I'd missed?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely as far as "Electro Kardiogram." That's a great song. "Aero Dynamik" was by far the weakest part of the set (maybe the weak point of that whole album.)

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

that Kraftwerk live post-Mix is a nostalgia revue, which runs counter to what the project seemed to be about in the 70s and early 80s.

Anyone who thinks that Kraftwerk hasn't always been about nostalgia doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand the nostalgia revue allegations either. They played several songs from their newest album, and played them in prominent spots during the set (i.e. scattered throughout, as well as during the encore). Nostalgia revues get the new stuff out of the way at the beginning and then only play the old-skool hits during the second half.

It would be interesting to go back to the source material and see what the live show was like in the late 70s.

Kraftwerk are certainly less improvisational than they were in the mid-late 70's, that's for sure. But by the time of the "Computer World" tour, their set lists and set times were rigidly standardized.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I would imagine they stopped "improvising" around Ralf and Florian, actually. But there were def. moments the other night where Ralf was rocking out playing keyboard parts. Jamming, even...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they still jam a bit, the music is synched with the video and everything seems tightly sequenced in that regard, so it's not like they could be feeling it one night and decide to play another three minutes of "Metal On Metal".

That definitely wasn't the case with their 70's live shows ... "Autobahn" used to turn out differently every time (for instance, I have a 40-minute version of it from 1974).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Add Expo 2000 to the set list - in fact I think they were using the Underground Resistence version.

I'm glad to hear that they're still doing that. Hearing that version at coachella was so uplifting to me. Just the nod of recognition to the folks who have followed them seemed so cool to me.

tylero (tylero), Thursday, 2 June 2005 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they remixed the UR remix themselves just for the show.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 2 June 2005 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

for instance, I have a 40-minute version of it from 1974

ooh, does this exist in any kind of shareable electronic form? (he said, hopefully.)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 2 June 2005 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Hammersmith was AMAZING last night! The sound is LOUD and PRISTINE!! So incredible! The room was gigantic, so you could hear the natural reverberation of the loudness! And that was just the audio.

The videos were captivating. A good thing, because the band members barely move all night long. You could sometimes tell that they messed up, and Ralf did not need to cup his microphone with his hand all night, but you could still tell they were enjoying the show, and were delivering that "austere fantasy" of mechanicism.

You folks in Detroit are gonna go NUTS! They have a song early in the show which calls you muthas out BY NAME!!! DEEEEE TROIT! DEUTSCHLAND!!! DEEEEEE TROIT!!!

Have fun, Midwest and Cali! Kraftwerk is ROCKING!

Dieter, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Going from my notes, here was the setlist from the 2nd DC show, in order:

The Man-Machine
Expo 2000
Tour De France Etape
Tour De France
Vitamin
Autobahn
The Model
Neon Lights
Radioactivity
Trans-Europe Express/Metal on Metal

(1st Encore)
Numbers
Computer World
More Fun to Compute
Pocket Calculator

(2nd Encore)
The Robots

(3rd Encore)
Elektro Kardiogramm
Aero Dynamik
Boing Boom Tschak

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Ralf danced a lot more than I expected

W i l l (common_person), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I stood behind a trio of total abercombie n fitch frat dudes just GETTIN DOWN the whole show. WOW.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

amazing visuals last night, i had no idea i'd be that wowed. awesome show all-around. i walked out completely smitten.

rajeev (rajeev), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a bit confused at the advertised "doors open" time in Deeeetroit, which is 6:30. Do we get there at 6:30 to ensure an personal area, only to stand around for 1.5 hours???

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

show half hour before, shove to front, done.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Ahh all the love here makes my heart fuzzy. Amazing memories of last year

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: Deeeeeee-troit stage time:

NYC tix said "6:30pm doors".

Kraftwerk did not go on until 8pm.

Go figure.

Dieter, Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The Kraftwerk crowd is a pretty punctual one, so based on the DC shows you'll have to get there pretty close to the door opening time if you don't want to be jammed in back. Or use aforementioned shoving technique.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I just won't bathe.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Ralf danced a lot more than I expected

The robot?

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Rolf danced a lot more than I expected

Ooooh, Rolf...

http://www.uri.edu/personal2/amellion/ROLF.jpg

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The most punctual folks at the first DC show were the, uh, "original fans" — that is, the ones from the 1970's. Also, quite a few Germans...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 2 June 2005 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

So about Frinight in Detroit...

Dropped my friends off at the State just after 7, and went to find parking. The Tigers were playing across the street, and had a good crowd, so the usual parking spots were taken, and construction made traffic more gruesome. So I got into the State just to hear the start of the third song (same set-list as above), so I missed Man Machine (a personal fave), and Expo2000 (so I missed the mention of Deeetroit, and the subsequant audience response).

The show was perfect, even though there were no surprises, apart from my feeling that they played more "live" this time around. Radioactivity is a massive political statement. The sound was flawless. I am so glad that I went.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't wait for tonight! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought they were great, too. The visuals were spectacular. The only thing I was disappointed by was that they didn't play "Computer Love," which I thought I had seen on those set lists above, but I guess I was mistaken.

Ralf danced a lot more than I expected

I don't know what you consider "dancing," but during "Pocket Calculator" he subtlely mimed pressing calculator buttons! He also kept putting his hand up to his mouth every time he sang, which I didn't really understand. Maybe it was to alert the crowd that he was singing, but I wouldn't have expected him to want to draw attention to himself.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The mouth gesture reminded me of Robert Wilson's stage gestures (which influenced Stop Making Sense, etc.) -- deliberate, codified gestures that kind of formalize the performance. I liked the guy who was clearly the Charlie Watts of the band, at least visually -- who was that?

A number of times during the show I realized how similar it was to seeing the concert presentation of Koyaanisqatsi last year, in that both were revivals of work mostly created 25 years ago with similar themes of technology and dehumanization, both helped to define "futuristic" in the 1980s in the way that something like The Jetsons did in the 1960s and were pleasurably retro, and both felt kind of like a concert and kind of like an Imax movie.

Flaneur, Monday, 6 June 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The mouth gesture reminded me of Robert Wilson's stage gestures (which influenced Stop Making Sense, etc.) -- deliberate, codified gestures that kind of formalize the performance.

It might have reminded you of that, but I think the gesture was only deliberate in the sense that Ralf felt it made the mic pick up his voice better.

Also, the bald guy looked like Nosferatu in sillouette.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Florian, as Young Frankenstein!

peepee (peepee), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

there were a few disappointing technical glitches at the chicago show (severe quantization/computer problems at the beginning of "expo 2000", missing visuals for the first few minutes of "trans europe express"), but aside from that they were great. the crowd response was ott cheering craziness, but barely anyone danced which left the band looking pretty bemused i thought. it was hot as hell in there though. "man machine", "radioactivity", "neon lights", and all of the encores were excellent. "radioactivity" in particular was devastating thematically, the visuals and song linking up in a really solid way. live album is out tomorrow...

tricky (disco stu), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Jay, what I'm calling dancing is his head-nodding and leg-bobbing up and down-- nothing spectactular, more like the half-assed "dancing" I often see at rock shows (that's just a visual description and comparison for reference, NOT a value judgement). anyway, it was much more movement than I expected!

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Flaneur, I had the same thought re: Koyaanisqatsi! But it mostly triggered by seeing someone at the Kraftwerk show who I had last seen at the Koyaanisqatsi performance we saw.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Tricky, I didn't even notice the glitches! I wish I could've danced more, but it was tight in there.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the gesture was only deliberate in the sense that Ralf felt it made the mic pick up his voice better.

I surmised that, too, but the couple times when he didn't do it, it sounded fine.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i hear you, jaymc. i wasn't all the way down in front, but i was standing at the next level up and it was pretty difficult to move...that said, i thought the crowd was still pretty sedate. it probably had something to do with the visuals, too.

tricky (disco stu), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess you're right, NTI -- Kraftwerk isn't really about rigid, deliberate, repeated gestures.

Flaneur, Monday, 6 June 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I just didn't sense that it was "deliberate codified gesture" is all. Hey, I could be wrong...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Chicago was awesome. Tricky I was on the same level as you! I tried to look for you but no luck. Yeah, I thought the lack of dancing was pretty lame as well, heat or no heat...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Awesome. Not as loud as it could be. It was pretty cold as well. Just got back: now I go to bed.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

It wasn't that cold (then again I was wearing long sleeves). Great show!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 06:30 (twenty-one years ago)


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