What will the general attitude toward Guns 'N' Roses be in twenty or thirty years?

They'll be considered a great band, because they are a great band.

No they weren't.

They'll be considered a great band, because they are a great band.

I think the word you're looking for is "were", not "are".

The attitude towards G'n'R in thirty years? "Gosh, I hope Chinese Democracy gets released soon!"

were, yes...up through about half of Use Yr Illusion I&II....they're more consistent than MC5 up through that point though...

Only thing that doesn't sync up is that the Dolls were a flop commercially.

Yeah, the Dolls comparison seems fairer, especially considering how long the name continued with line-ups that had not much to do with the original band.

GnR neither influenced nor pre-figured anything. Name me one major artist in their wake who's namechecked them.

GnR, if anything, were the last (major)gasp of hair metal weren't they?

Just so you can have a giggle, I'd nominate To Mega Therion, Balls to the Wall and Nothing's Shocking as better albums.

absofuckinlutely not.

What's so specifically traditional and "classic rock" about Appetite, in the context of 1987, though? Sure, Poison were more removed from, say, early Aerosmith than Guns were. But each 80s pop metal bands owed at least something to a band in the classic rock era... GNR weren't alone there.

GORGOROTH LAUGHS AT YOUR GIRLY 80S METAL CREDENTIALS!

"metal" is going to get more "XTREEEEEM", darker, and more "I'm more metal than you, so fuck off, before I SLAY THEE".. as we're seeing now, sorta.

80s metal is going to be pastel-colored bubblegum rock to the kids in the 2020's and 2030's. "Welcome To The Jungle" and "Sweet Child 'O' Mine" are going to be the "Sugar Sugar" and "Yummy Yummy Yummy I Got Luv In My Tummy" to those kids, respectively.

Now, I think "Helter Skelter" is a great song, but in retrospect, it isn't any louder than something on the poppier side of the Estrus Records catalog when heard today, much much less THE LOUDEST SONG EVAH!

So, the idea of "the best metal" is very mutable.

It already is, surely. There was a kid we saw in Vegas I pointed out to you who couldn't have been more than ten with a new Appetite for Destruction T-shirt on. He'll just remember that as catchy music he heard when he was young (and maybe still loves, in the same way that Hall and Oates, who I first heard when I was ten, sticks in my memory).

G'n'R will still be rated because they are damn catchy much in the same way that nobody today cares if Motown artistes or the Monkees were authentic auteurs or not.

How in the world can that not be correct, they pretty much embodied the genre.

ancaps literally the worst

was wondering earlier if trump would literally play "one in a million" at one of his rallies. probably!

in the meantime, terrible song but probably not racist. i mean roger waters has done plenty of racist shit but this song probably isn't one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN_lqWUwk4Y

xpost He played Sweet Child o Mine and Axl got pissed

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/nov/05/rihanna-axl-rose-hit-out-donald-trump-using-their-music-rallies

that axl tweet about kushner made me smile, respect

saw novaselic speak at this college thing once, he stared complaining about graffiti and got booed mercilessly by the audience it was pretty funny

― brimstead

kurt cobain's best act of queer allyship was making out with novoselic. anybody can make out with a guy, but to make out with a guy and only later realize how truly and completely fucked up the guy you made out with is? that's not just talking the talk, that's walking the walk.

lol

kurt cobain's best act of queer allyship was making out with novoselic. anybody can make out with a guy, but to make out with a guy and only later realize how truly and completely fucked up the guy you made out with is? that's not just talking the talk, that's walking the walk.

― Kate (rushomancy)

welcome to my twenties

cosign lol

A coworker texted me bc Duff was standing next to him at Whole Foods… he said Duff was debating which lactose-free milk to buy.

not the same, but i did dairy-free milk for a while. i recommend almond milk. unsweetened. so if duff asks him, tell him that this lady on a message board his friend posts to recommends unsweetened almond milk.

Vanilla almond milk is good on cereal.

Appetite For Destruction Almond Milk

LOL

The most remarkable part of this story is that Duff does his own grocery shopping.

Moo Could Be Mine

i would not recognize duff mckagan if he was standing next to me at a whole foods

especially since i go to tj's instead

omg

i would be escorted out of the whole foods for climbing him like a tree

Appetite for Pasteurization

Welcome to the Jungle Whole Foods Dairy Section

Pasteurized City

You’re Crazy (for oat milk)

Sweet Oat Milk Of Mine

Pretty Soy'd Up (The Perils of Lactose Free Decadence)

Bloated like a freight train
Cryin’ with the gas pains
Peelin’ off the cellophane
Of more TP tonight

Wake up late, honey put on your clothes
And take your credit card to Whole Foods
Well that's one for you and two for me by tonight

I’m on the Lactaid, bottoms up
I’m on the Lactaid, fill my cup
I’m on the Lactaid, love that stuff
I’m on the Lactaid, and I can never get enough
I'm on the Lactaid, never to return, no

I hear the last time he drank whole milk there was quite a spaghetti incident in the bathroom

Dancing with Mr. Brown Rice

omg yall got me drinkin mah Lactaid Egg Nog right now, with mah cold-brewed cawfee---barely restraining self from finishing carton, so far---Bottoms UP

Speaking of cawfee, I used to find GNR a good substitute on road trips: the abrasion of the music kept me awake, with no need for bathroom brakes.

omg

i would be escorted out of the whole foods for climbing him like a tree

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, December 23, 2023 5

love this

Year irl lol.

*yeah

lol VG thank you

:D

lol laffed again opening this thread

Is Sweet Child of Mine the only hit song with 3(!) different guitar solos? Over 3 different sets of chord changes? If not, it’s certainly the only one that ALSO opens with an indelible riff.

I thought I never needed to hear this song again, but apparently I was wrong.

november rain has 3 doesnt it?

"Bohemian Rhapsody", depending what you call separate guitar solos?

Ok, November Rain has 3, but 2 of them are over the same verse changes.

I’ll give Bohemian Rhapsody the nod — but none of them are full-on solos, really — May doesn’t get bars to stretch out in, just “hey, dude, make this transition here.”

Anyhow, I’m not here to gatekeep, just to marvel a bit.

I listened to G’n’R’s entire career tonight and it was a fuckin trip. I’d never heard any full album beyond G’n’R Lies, just the Illusion singles.

My one personal keeper is Mr Brownstone — Izzy & Slash’s guitars together are a goddamn symphony — and they’ve got a half-dozen or more certified classics, the most indelible I think of which are Sweet Child and Don’t Cry. It’s an intriguing catalogue. From the very beginning it feels like they’re channeling the vibe that later became Trumpism, somehow. Incel vibes, left-behind-by-the-American-dream vibes. This isn’t an endorsement. But they’re like a full quarter century ahead of the curve. You can see why they hit a nerve.

The production on Brownstone is so good, so crisp

"somehow" well I mean there's one in a million obv which we have covered on this thread extensively, but even if they'd never recorded that it's true, there's a curdled fucked upness to everything, a contradictory mix of self-loathing and overweening entitlement and an irresistible urge to fuck everything up

omg the soy milk jokes above, i'm dying

somehow. Incel vibes

I feel like we start to call any misogyny incel vibes now and from everything i've read including their first manager's book, they were basically having sex with groupies like all the time even when they just started out and were broke were basically living off their many girlfriends

Also I don't think you can truly tell the tale of Axl without viewing it through the lens of him being a victim of child abuse, both physical and sexual. That's likely the root of all of it.

oh yeah, the stuff "incels" liked in the late 80s was less blatantly misogynistic and more bands that mostly avoided sex and romance songs-- Maiden, extreme metal, some hardcore.

xp bingo

you want real incel vibes try the whiny tears of the Descendents

look no further than the Oath Keeper guy who wore a Descendents shirt when testifying at the January 6 hearings

_somehow. Incel vibes_

I feel like we start to call any misogyny incel vibes now and from everything i've read including their first manager's book, they were basically having sex with groupies like all the time even when they just started out and were broke were basically living off their many girlfriends

But: good callout.

I didn't think I'd run across a reference to the best and most representative GNR song ever in a write-up about the Pavement musical but...

He was directing a workshop of “Slanted! Enchanted!: A Pavement Musical,” about the Stockton slacker-rock quintet. Perry created the piece to feature in a screwball movie about the band which he is also directing, and which he has described variously as “a semiotic experiment” and “like throwing spaghetti at the wall.” The scene at hand was the show’s climactic finale, inspired by the medley that concludes “The Phantom of the Opera.” He was unhappy with the a-cappella coda. “I need it to be like ‘My World,’ ” he explained. (He was referring to the final song on the Guns N’ Roses album “Use Your Illusion II,” in which Axl Rose pivoted the band to a more industrial sound.) The cast looked at him blankly.